Only software I guess, as a IT guy I assumed SE would stand for Second Edition but as I thought of it later SE could also stand for "Smooth Edition". Don't know, maybe Scott or Goran wants to chime in on this? 
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DSPXmini-FM software testing
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VoiceOfReason said:Decibel860 said:Same question for the DSPX-FM. When will you release new software? I tought that all development experience in the extreme would also approve in the DSPX-FM
Not to continue the pseudo off-topic responses, but it would be nice if some of the clipper / limiter updates (at least the HF ones) made it to the Xtra as well.
Actually, the broader question for Scott is, are any firmware updates planned for the Xtra (and X for that matter)?
The DSPX and DSPXtra will have updates in the near future. That is for sure. We don't want to commit to a timescale but we may be able to provide a rough estimation once IBC is out of the way.
Are there many users from this board going to IBC?
Really wanted come by your booth but right now it seems that I won't be able to make it at all. To bussy unfortunatly.
Well I was right about the "Edition" part
Well I was right about the "Edition" part
"Old users will be able to upgrade their minis for EUR 250/USD 350. The upgrade will require a PCB card swap out that can be
handled by users in the field."
??? When i bought the mini it did cost me over 1500 euro. I can show you the bill!
Before that they costed even more..
That group of users now has to invest a 250 euro again to get a box thats list price is normally 1500 euro.. and 1250 euro as IBC Promotion.
Im my case the whole box costs me 1500 + 250 = 1750 euro.
There were people who even payed more than 1500 euro in the beginning.
That is much more money in the end than what a SE costs today...
Used prices of old series will drop in the future so selling an old one and buy a new one is not an option...
In that case you ALMOST HAVE to update the box to keep it up to date and to rescue the used price.
I understand that softwaredevelopment costs money. And that some has to pay them.
But this option is what i call : a strange move!
I my opinion it is not fear to your old and mostely satisfied costumers.
And for what i've heard i'm not the only one that thinks this way.
Bad marketing :'(
handled by users in the field."
??? When i bought the mini it did cost me over 1500 euro. I can show you the bill!
Before that they costed even more..
That group of users now has to invest a 250 euro again to get a box thats list price is normally 1500 euro.. and 1250 euro as IBC Promotion.
Im my case the whole box costs me 1500 + 250 = 1750 euro.
There were people who even payed more than 1500 euro in the beginning.
That is much more money in the end than what a SE costs today...
Used prices of old series will drop in the future so selling an old one and buy a new one is not an option...
In that case you ALMOST HAVE to update the box to keep it up to date and to rescue the used price.
I understand that softwaredevelopment costs money. And that some has to pay them.
But this option is what i call : a strange move!
I my opinion it is not fear to your old and mostely satisfied costumers.
And for what i've heard i'm not the only one that thinks this way.
Bad marketing :'(
Pilotfm said:
Actually it has nothing to do with marketing. The reasons are clear and simple.
1.
The manufacturer is based in the United Kingdom, whose currency is pounds sterling. The list price of the DSPXmini is based around that currency. Most manufacturers will also list price based on their home currency because the staff costs and overheads are in that currency. Basing your revenue on factors that can be externally influenced is a risky business. In this particular case the risk being exchange rate fluctuations. Up until recently the pound to Euro exchange rate was typically around 1.5. It is now lower than 1.25, with the dollar going from 2 to lower than 1.75
The global economy is doing strange things right now and the UK pound has crashed to the lowest point in a long time. This has had the effect of making our products cheaper in Euros and US dollars. Our products are typically 10% cheaper in US dollars and about 15% cheaper in Euros than a few months ago (if bought in single pieces from www.broadcastwarehouse.com)
An important point is the list price of 1000 GBP for the DSPXmini has never changed previously, and no one would have paid more if bought direct from the manufacturer. If someone did pay more then it may have been down to local factors controlled by distributors and system integrators.
The DSPXmini has always been fantastic value for money and it now becomes more so, which leads me to my next point.
2.
While developing the latest version of the DSPXmini we reached a fork in the road. Major enhancements were achievable but we needed that little bit more than was possible with the current hardware in the current platform. Because the pounds is weak compared to other major currencies a decision was taken to make the second edition performance permanent through a small hardware change. The increased costs of hardware and firmware would be offset by the weak pound keeping the DSPXmini second edition at the same price in Euros and US dollars as the original "classic" version.
As for upgrading, in addition to the firmware development costs which we will set aside for one moment, there is an overhead of new hardware, invoicing and the shipments and collection of old hardware. A nominal 250 Euro charge was considered more than reasonable considering the benefits of the second edition version. It is worth pointing out that the manufacturer has previously never had to implement a hardware upgrade facility for any of its processors but on this occasion we couldn't fit a square peg in a round hole.
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I sympathise with your point about what you had previously paid but you will need to take that up with the guys who run the global economy and cause exchange rates to fluctuate so wildly. While your at it you can tell them from me to stop causing a recession by talking of recession.
I would also ask you to consider that we are a business and unfortunately can't afford to spend all of our time writing new code to enhance existing products. If we did we would be out of business. A decision was made to offset development costs against exchange rate fluctuations and to keep the new version's effective list price consistent with the old price in Euros and US dollars, while at the same time allowing existing customers to benefit from a major enhancement to the code for a nominal fee. Your perceived loss would be considered a gain to many others. I am sure if we had asked the question 6 months ago "would you prefer us to discontinue new release development or make an upgrade path available in the future" there would have only been one answer.
Price freeze, discount, marketing, use what words you like but, it is a simple offer. It would be unfair to change the pounds sterling pricing overnight without warning to our dealers and customers. For this reason the list price (in pounds sterling) has been frozen for September in order to avoid dealers and customers getting caught short on current quotes and projects....which would be hard considering the aforementioned exchange rate situation.
On reflection perhaps Goran should have pointed out more clearly in his post that the list prices were in pounds sterling. He tried to avoid confusion by quoting current prices in the popular Euros and US dollar currencies by doing a currency calculation and in doing so has probably caused confusion. For that we apologise.
I hope this explains things a little clearer.
I am sure after IBC there will be enough comments and feeback on the new version to reignite this topic.
I'm at IBC from Saturday and happy to discuss this in more detail with anyone who wishes to.
And bottom-line, buying a audio processor is not a long term investment where you can benefit from in financial terms by selling it on after x time. For that buy a old-timer car or art paintings. You buy a processor to improve your stations sound and thereby increase ratings and sell more commercials. The investment is earned back this way. I find the price for this upgrade reasonable and eventually it's up to you if you want to invest on it. We assume that the manufacturers release free software upgrades throughout a processors lifecycle but it's not a given fact. Making comparisons between prices back then and now is not fair to any business that is influenced by local currency and highly fluctuant manufacturing costs. And holding a manufacturer responsible for 2nd hand prices is not the way either. I bet you don't go back with your car to the dealer after a few years and mileage and expect the same price back as when you paid for it new.
The F Mister said:
In the beginning the mini was sold for almost 1600...At this moment it costs somewhere around 1300.
The price dropped about 300 euro in little over a year time.
This is also has effected the 2nd hand prices.
I didn't buy to make benifit of it.
But it would be nice if prices where a bit stable.
As i said in an earlier posting:
The mini is often used by locals and pirate-radiostations.
I even think that most of the mini's in my country are used by this last group.
Understandable : It's a bang for the buck.
But these stations don't sell commercials...
But Scott's posting made everything a bit clearer for me.
I'm now waiting for the comment's on the new software ;D
In that case check radioforum.nl
First comments are positive about the DSPXmini-SE and they value the fact that BW offers A/B switching during IBC with other brands as well.
First comments are positive about the DSPXmini-SE and they value the fact that BW offers A/B switching during IBC with other brands as well.
FYI...
Our company has never changed pricing based upon the economy. If ever there was an "excuse" to do so, the present US economy, as compared to the rest of the world, would enable it now. If anything, the strength of of the Euro actually has made all USA gear "on sale" as compared to recent years.
-Frank Foti
Our company has never changed pricing based upon the economy. If ever there was an "excuse" to do so, the present US economy, as compared to the rest of the world, would enable it now. If anything, the strength of of the Euro actually has made all USA gear "on sale" as compared to recent years.
-Frank Foti
Well, you could move to the UK :
Or buy something made locally ???
:Or buy something made locally ???
Pilotfm said:In the beginning the mini was sold for almost 1600...At this moment it costs somewhere around 1300.
The price dropped about 300 euro in little over a year time.
This is also has effected the 2nd hand prices.
I didn't buy to make benifit of it.
But it would be nice if prices where a bit stable.
As i said in an earlier posting:
<snip>
But Scott's posting made everything a bit clearer for me.
I'm now waiting for the comment's on the new software ;D
RealityCheckr said:Well, you could move to the UK
Or buy something made locally ???
Pilotfm said:In the beginning the mini was sold for almost 1600...At this moment it costs somewhere around 1300.
The price dropped about 300 euro in little over a year time.
This is also has effected the 2nd hand prices.
I didn't buy to make benifit of it.
But it would be nice if prices where a bit stable.
As i said in an earlier posting:
<snip>
But Scott's posting made everything a bit clearer for me.
I'm now waiting for the comment's on the new software ;D
Made locally? That would be Warsanis in his/mine case.... you don't want that nowadays, believe me. It's a nice processor to produce a nostalgic analogue sound but you get the nostalgic rumble and grumble for free as well.
FFoti1 said:
That can be interpreted in many ways.
One may be: "Great you keep your prices steady".
The other may be: "Hell I've always been paying to much".
Just saying that you can approach your pricing in many ways and greatly depends on your whole business case. It includes your local duty's, taxes, employees etc. And where do you let your products manufactured? How are those country's bound to the dollar etc etc etc.
And what is your biggest market? Are they in the same currency as you or not?
I sympathize with BW's pricing table. It let's you the choice to buy cheap or not based upon your currency rate opposed to the pound sterling. In your "fixed price" table you make more or less money on the same model depending on the current rate of the dollar not leaving the choice to your customer for the best price. I'm not saying your way of pricing is wrong just different and same can be said about BW's pricing.
The F Mister said:
In the history of our company, there hasn't been any complaint about our pricing. We offer brand leading products at fair prices. The point of my post is that we're not whining (or raising our prices) because the American economy is off. If someone felt they were paying too much in the past, we would have heard about it long before this thread. When companies begin to play with pricing, there's usually something else going on, and they're trying to spin it for their benefit.
-Frank Foti
I have no information to suspect "something" is going on at BW to play with prices. Nor do I have facts to say there isn't. But these are statements nobody can back those up (or do you have a insider ???). Scott made it well clear how they price their products based upon their local currency and there can be said something for it, as well for your pricing. personally, as pointed out earlier, I have more feeling for their approach. Maybe when the euro drops like h*ll I wont anymore
The F Mister said:I have no information to suspect "something" is going on at BW to play with prices. Nor do I have facts to say there isn't. But these are statements nobody can back those up (or do you have a insider ???). Scott made it well clear how they price their products based upon their local currency and there can be said something for it, as well for your pricing. personally, as pointed out earlier, I have more feeling for their approach. Maybe when the euro drops like h*ll I wont anymore
You missed the key point. If we set our prices based upon the conditions of the US Dollar, then everyone would be paying much more. I'm using the same example as in the UK. BUT...we have not, nor plan on doing this. Reason being, is economies are cyclical, and they eventually balancew out. Those whom feel the need to change or modify pricing are usually doing this for other reasons.
-Frank Foti
Pilotfm said:
We had a 100% positive feedback from people who came to our stand on the IBC. As we haven't yet started shipping the upgrades, there are no users in the field using DSPXmini SE to give real-life feedback.
I expect we will start shipping the upgrades by the end of the week. If you are eager to get your SE upgrade, drop me an e-mail and we'll try to work out something for you.
Regards,
Goran Tomas
Well as a user of the dsp-x,dsp-extra,Omnia 3T,Omnia 6EXI,and several others, i'm always willing to do a little testing on the SE.Feel free to send one over.That clip of Janet Jackson sure sounded great.i'd love to take it for a spin.
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