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DST coming April 1

Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will hoosiers be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of taped?

Will Rush air at noon???

Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of tape delay???
 
> Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will hoosiers
> be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of
> taped?
>
> Will Rush air at noon???
>
> Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of
> tape delay???
>

Rush should air at noon, not 11 am, if the station it's on carries it at noon now.

All of the TV stations should carry their network's Eastern time feed live instead of tape delaying. (the last I knew, several years ago, NBC was the only network that offered a Mountain time feed.)

Saturday Night Live will be live for Indiana whenever it IS live.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by uh_clem on 01/20/06 08:49 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will hoosiers
> be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of
> taped?
>
> Will Rush air at noon???
>
> Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of
> tape delay???
>>>>>>
As it stands, in LaPorte, Porter, Lake, Starke, and Pulaski counties in Indiana will hear Rush from 11AM to 2PM come April 2. Starke and Pulaski are switching from the Eastern time zone to Central time. It's too complicated to go into much detail on this board.
 
> > Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will
> hoosiers
> > be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of
>
> > taped?
> >
> > Will Rush air at noon???
> >
> > Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of
> > tape delay???
> >
>
> Rush should air at noon, not 11 am, if the station it's on
> carries it at noon now.
>
> All of the TV stations should carry their network's Eastern
> time feed live instead of tape delaying. (the last I knew,
> several years ago, NBC was the only network that offered a
> Mountain time feed.)
>
> Saturday Night Live will be live for Indiana whenever it IS
> live.
>
For those in Starke & Pulaski Counties, they have to remember that Eastern Time programming is an hour ahead of them since they are switching to CT. St Joseph County tried to switch, but was denied because Elkhart County wanted to stay on Eastern Time, and with both counties being a commerce (as a Chicago newspaper worded it), St Joseph County had to stay on eastern time. And it would have been confusing for radio & TV programming to know when something is on. I know South Bend TV stations used to mention one time for Indiana, and an hour later for Michigan viewers during the summer months. Adding that confusion to the mtropolitan area for St Joseph & nearby Indiana counties would have made it worse. The Northern Indiana Commuter transportation District also wanted South Bend on Central Time after they learned that all of Indiana would observe DST, and wanted South Bend on CT, so the schedules would be consistent for the South Shore Railroad. They'll have to get used to South Bend being an hour ahead of Chicago all year 'round. Besides, the South Shore runs few trains through St Joseph County anyway.
 
> Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will hoosiers
> be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of
> taped?
>
> Will Rush air at noon???
>
> Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of
> tape delay???
>
I think it is somewhat interesting that State Rep. Dave Crooks from Washington is perpetually opposed to DST, but he owns two stations which run ABC Radio Networks formats (Memories and Stardust).

The formats observe DST, but if you don't your jock schedules change twice per year, if not more.

Apparently Crooks is actually representing his constituents rather than himself :cool:

AAAnyway...
 
> Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will hoosiers
> be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead of
> taped?
>
> Will Rush air at noon???
>
> Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead of
> tape delay???
>

One show directly affected by all of this is Bob & Tom's nationally syndicated show... which as we all know, is nationally broadcast, but originates live from WFBQ. I can imagine the headaches they've probably had to deal with from the time switch over the years. With that "shifting" hour, they've been airing something called "Bob & Tom Extra" here... anyone know if they plan to make any changes to the broadcast schedule now that it appears they'll be consistent year round finally?
 
> > > Since the time zone battle is over..(for now), will
> > hoosiers
> > > be able to listen to sat-delivered shows "Live" instead
> of
> >
> > > taped?
> > >
> > > Will Rush air at noon???
> > >
> > > Will we be able to watch programs in real time instead
> of
> > > tape delay???
> > >
> >
> > Rush should air at noon, not 11 am, if the station it's on
>
> > carries it at noon now.
> >
> > All of the TV stations should carry their network's
> Eastern
> > time feed live instead of tape delaying. (the last I knew,
>
> > several years ago, NBC was the only network that offered a
>
> > Mountain time feed.)
> >
> > Saturday Night Live will be live for Indiana whenever it
> IS
> > live.
> >
> For those in Starke & Pulaski Counties, they have to
> remember that Eastern Time programming is an hour ahead of
> them since they are switching to CT. St Joseph County tried
> to switch, but was denied because Elkhart County wanted to
> stay on Eastern Time, and with both counties being a
> commerce (as a Chicago newspaper worded it), St Joseph
> County had to stay on eastern time. And it would have been
> confusing for radio & TV programming to know when something
> is on. I know South Bend TV stations used to mention one
> time for Indiana, and an hour later for Michigan viewers
> during the summer months. Adding that confusion to the
> mtropolitan area for St Joseph & nearby Indiana counties
> would have made it worse. The Northern Indiana Commuter
> transportation District also wanted South Bend on Central
> Time after they learned that all of Indiana would observe
> DST, and wanted South Bend on CT, so the schedules would be
> consistent for the South Shore Railroad. They'll have to
> get used to South Bend being an hour ahead of Chicago all
> year 'round. Besides, the South Shore runs few trains
> through St Joseph County anyway.
>>>>
Boy, it's fun living in NW Indiana. Now, only if WE had a 50,000 watt blowtorch radio station.
 
Will Bob and Tom start at 5 or 6am live? As I remember, when they got their first Ohio affiliate they had to start the show at 5 Indiana time at least during the DST time of year. I believe Rush is delayed on both WIBC and WOWO..it'll be a one hour delay all year round rather than a two hour delay part of the year.

And everyone east of the Rockies won't know who won Surivivor or American Idol an hour before Indiana residents do. <P ID="signature">______________
Have a Happy New Year!
http://www.thebig8.net/have_a_happy_new_year_with_cklw.mp3</P>
 
I know that WSBT radio in South Bend has always aired Rush live, changing the start time from 12p to 11a for half the year. I assume they will continue to air him live, however always starting now at noon.
 
> Will Bob and Tom start at 5 or 6am live? As I remember, when
> they got their first Ohio affiliate they had to start the
> show at 5 Indiana time at least during the DST time of year.
> I believe Rush is delayed on both WIBC and WOWO..it'll be a
> one hour delay all year round rather than a two hour delay
> part of the year.
>

Griswold has been a outspoken cheerleader for DST for years. He complains (on the WFBQ breaks, not the national) of the 5am start. When Bauer boycotted last years session, the staff made very rude (but funny) comments about him (and his wig) during the local breaks.

Look for a 6am start in Indy, Lafayette has been tape delaying them 1 hour, so what WSHP will do will be interesting.
 
> >
>
> Griswold has been a outspoken cheerleader for DST for years.
> He complains (on the WFBQ breaks, not the national) of the
> 5am start. When Bauer boycotted last years session, the
> staff made very rude (but funny) comments about him (and his
> wig) during the local breaks.
>

I'd have loved to have heard a few of those jabs. Once in a blue moon the morning board op will let the WFBQ local break sneak through during the 5am hour on WRBR in South Bend, or accidently cut back to them a minute early during a break (they normally cover the break with a song and some PSA's or whatever local spots are available). I enjoy getting to hear a sampling of B&T directed right at the Indiana audience, rather than the broadened direction you normally hear during the show.
 
> Griswold has been a outspoken cheerleader for DST for years.
> He complains (on the WFBQ breaks, not the national) of the
> 5am start. When Bauer boycotted last years session, the
> staff made very rude (but funny) comments about him (and his
> wig) during the local breaks.
>
> Look for a 6am start in Indy, Lafayette has been tape
> delaying them 1 hour, so what WSHP will do will be
> interesting.
>

I always remembered 'The Rocket' airing the first hour after 9am, and the rest of the show (the 6am-9am portion) live during DST. One year they even replayed the 5am hour live and replayed it at 9am. I don't know if they're still doing that or not. I don't really listen to Bob and Tom anymore.

Anyway, I'm very happy with the state observing DST this year. The Friday before DST started and ended always proved to be one of the most busiest and stressful times of the year for me since I had to essentially reprogram the entire automation to accomodate the time change on our 24/7 network...not to mention having to move around features and get used to new recording times twice a year. DST will be more convenient for me....I just don't understand what the big deal was with the stubborn citizens of Indiana who refused to at least give DST a shot over the years.
 
>
> Anyway, I'm very happy with the state observing DST this
> year. The Friday before DST started and ended always proved
> to be one of the most busiest and stressful times of the
> year for me since I had to essentially reprogram the entire
> automation to accomodate the time change on our 24/7
> network...not to mention having to move around features and
> get used to new recording times twice a year. DST will be
> more convenient for me....I just don't understand what the
> big deal was with the stubborn citizens of Indiana who
> refused to at least give DST a shot over the years.

Knowing that this is a radio board, being a truck driver, DST will be a big change for me and thousands of others. We live by our logbooks. Being in the hoosier state, we never had to worry about DST. Now, we are going to have to learn how to show a time change. This is a bigger issue on the whole (regarless of occupation) than anyone knows.
 
> >
> > Anyway, I'm very happy with the state observing DST this
> > year. The Friday before DST started and ended always
> proved
> > to be one of the most busiest and stressful times of the
> > year for me since I had to essentially reprogram the
> entire
> > automation to accomodate the time change on our 24/7
> > network...not to mention having to move around features
> and
> > get used to new recording times twice a year. DST will be
>
> > more convenient for me....I just don't understand what the
>
> > big deal was with the stubborn citizens of Indiana who
> > refused to at least give DST a shot over the years.
>
The citizens of Indiana DID give DST a shot in 1966 or 67.(Yeah, I know, 40 years ago.) The state was more rural at that point and many farmers, especially those who drove school buses and had dairy cattle, didn't like the change in schedule (when the cows need to be milked, they need to be milked.) there were also more movie drive-ins at the time, and their lobby was also strong. The next legislature voted to stay on EST.

> Knowing that this is a radio board, being a truck driver,
> DST will be a big change for me and thousands of others. We
> live by our logbooks. Being in the hoosier state, we never
> had to worry about DST. Now, we are going to have to learn
> how to show a time change. This is a bigger issue on the
> whole (regarless of occupation) than anyone knows.
>
Good luck with the changes you're encountering.
 
> Apollo79 wrote:
> <snippage>....I just don't understand what the
> big deal was with the stubborn citizens of Indiana who
> refused to at least give DST a shot over the years.

It's not just a simple case of Backwoods (or stubborn) Hoosiers refusing to modernize with DST. Until now, there have been 3 states in the US who did not observe DST. Indiana, Arizona and much of Hawaii. These 3 states have one thing in common. They are on the western fringe of their time zone.
No matter what we do, it's not going to be natural. We either have sunrise at 5:00 AM and sunset at 8:30 PM (June and July) or we observe DST and have a more- normal sunrise at 6:00 AM and the weirdness of a 9:30 PM sunset. If we change to the Central Time Zone and observe DST, our summers will be normal but we get another set of weirdness. We get a 7:00 AM sunrise but a 4:00 Sunset (in much of November and December). Either way, it's not going to be 'normal'.
Our compromise has been the awkwardness of being in the Eastern time zone, but not observing DST. In the past the Drive-In theatre owners and a few other special interest groups have lobbied to keep DST out of Indiana. There aren't may drive-in theatres left in Indiana, so no more theatre lobbyists.
Personally, I thought it was a pretty good deal. I know it was a pain in the neck. I too hated the first Sunday in April and last Sunday in October because I had to reprogram satellite receiver controllers and auto-record automation... But it was a small price to pay for having some sense of a normal day (daylight wise).
Now we get to deal with full daylight at 9:00 PM and July fireworks that don't start until 10:00 PM. I'm not as passionate as many on this issue, but it really bothers me when we are portrayed as stone-age morons who finally made it to modern-day because we will now observe DST. There is a reason for everything, and just because Tom Griswold doesn't like to get out of bed an hour early to accommodate his network affiliates during the summer doesn't mean that everyone in Indiana should have to endure the mania of a 9:30 PM sunset.
 
> Anyway, I'm very happy with the state observing DST this
> year. The Friday before DST started and ended always proved
> to be one of the most busiest and stressful times of the
> year for me since I had to essentially reprogram the entire
> automation to accomodate the time change on our 24/7
> network...not to mention having to move around features and
> get used to new recording times twice a year. DST will be
> more convenient for me....I just don't understand what the
> big deal was with the stubborn citizens of Indiana who
> refused to at least give DST a shot over the years.
>
"It doesn't matter whether the clock says 8PM or 9PM, the sun still rises and falls at the same time."

The biggest problem I have with DST is the lobby that got it passed -- it'll bring jobs because people will know what time it is in Indiana. Sounds likely. And the fact that I'll have to set my watch forward and back twice a year. I really don't plan to, actually. I'll just change the alarm to 5am instead of 6am. Much simpler.

You have no idea how difficult setting clocks accurately is. Drives me nuts if the clock on my computer shows a different time than the other ones in the house of if my watch is different than the vehicle.

I was late for work one day because the clock automatically reset itself for Daylight Savings in October. DST got a bit of an on-air bashing that day. But only a bit because I'm a mellow fellow.
 
Re: The 20th Century, coming April 2nd

> ...doesn't mean that everyone in Indiana should have to endure the mania of a
> 9:30 PM sunset.

Much the same as just because someone has never lived outside of some tiny-assed place -- like Columbus -- his perception of what is "normal" isn't more important than how the rest of the country perceives Indiana.

Having lived in Michigan and Idaho, as well as spending extensive time in Utah -- three states that all meet the same geographic criterion as Indiana -- I can tell you that no one there blinks at the idea of a 9:30pm sunset. There's no so-called "mania" because they consider it normal. You're putting up a big fat goose egg in the logic portion of the argument.

So that leaves only two reasons why some people here are against DST:

1. They are stubborn.

2. They are stupid.

I'd say the world's perception of Hoosiers is right on the money.

Like it or not, the rest of the civilized world observes DST and having to begin every phone conversation with someone from out of state with them asking "What time is it there?" not only gets old, but it's bad for business. It's a huge factor in why companies don't come here and why all the college graduates leave. And you call that normal?!?

If you're bent out of shape that "Bob & Tom" beat the snot out of the crummy morning show on your lousy station -- even in your home county -- don't take it out on Tom or on DST...JUST DO A BETTER SHOW.

Or maybe you should just be quiet and stick to running the board for Hauser High School Basketball.
 
> Boy, it's fun living in NW Indiana. Now, only if WE had a
> 50,000 watt blowtorch radio station.

Don't you guys have about five? If you're in what's considered Northwest Indiana, shouldn't all the Chicago 50K be locals for you? Or do you mean a station based right in your area that focuses on you? (Not being sarcastic, that's a serious question.)
 
> > Boy, it's fun living in NW Indiana. Now, only if WE had a
>
> > 50,000 watt blowtorch radio station.
>
> Don't you guys have about five? If you're in what's
> considered Northwest Indiana, shouldn't all the Chicago 50K
> be locals for you? Or do you mean a station based right in
> your area that focuses on you? (Not being sarcastic, that's
> a serious question.)
>>>>
It would be nice to have a local powerhouse station that was live and local, which focuses on NW Indiana. Right now, we're an after thought to Chicago media. Really, the only time we get any coverage is when an extrodinary event happen (multiple murders, train derailments, etc.).
 
> > > Boy, it's fun living in NW Indiana. Now, only if WE had
> a
> >
> > > 50,000 watt blowtorch radio station.
> >
> > Don't you guys have about five? If you're in what's
> > considered Northwest Indiana, shouldn't all the Chicago
> 50K
> > be locals for you? Or do you mean a station based right in
>
> > your area that focuses on you? (Not being sarcastic,
> that's
> > a serious question.)
> >>>>
> It would be nice to have a local powerhouse station that was
> live and local, which focuses on NW Indiana. Right now,
> we're an after thought to Chicago media. Really, the only
> time we get any coverage is when an extrodinary event happen
> (multiple murders, train derailments, etc.).

I can absolutely understand that. After I posted this, I saw the other thread further up. But where would this station come from? I'd think it would have to be an already existing station changed to a directional 50K aimed right at you guys. Of the current allocations, what would work?
 
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