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E/I Madness In San Diego

azumanga said:
Yet another reason why the E/I rule is nothing but a big joke, in terms of programming and scheduling.

Unless if you're a fan of "Litton's Weekend Adventure" on ABC, which is #1 on Saturday mornings (they did a promo to prove it). I'll have to admit: Claire Thomas (who hosts Food For Thought) is kinda cute.

And if you have KTLA on Dish Network like I do, their Saturday E/I block from 12-2 pm Pacific is top notch too with Now Eat This!, Animal Atlas, Career Day, and On The Spot. Try to pick out the one show that is not by Bellum Entertainment!
 
The E/I mandates by the fcc are absolutely crazy! This is just another example of the government interferring with private business with out of control and over reaching mandates, that confuse stations and can hurt their profits and scheduling.

I don't like the big conglomerates anymore than most people, in this case I would site with the companies. The paperwork and the public file are enough to make one lose their mind. If you mess up one thing in that public file you will be fined. I know a station that got a hefty fine from the fcc for messing up the time on a report. It was an honest human error, they put 9AM down instead of 10AM on a Sunday after the clocks were changed. They had the right start time, they got confused and put the old time for the end. It looked as if they were an hour short on paper even tho they were not in actual time.

I don't mind the fcc wanting some completely safe childrens programs run. No parent wants to have to explain the ed/Viagra commercial to their child on a Saturday morning. This law is just plain bad and nonsence. Every digital subchannel has to run E/I?

Why would a weather station or an adult movie station like THIS(not adult as in dirty) have to play cartoons on Saturday and Sunday mornings. On stations with multiple subchannels the same programs are aired on the differnent channels in different order at times.

It along with infomercials makes Saturday and Sunday morning a virtual tv wasteland. Some of the cartoons and kids shows are so outdated no kid would watch them. He Man, She Ra are cartoons of course but are they really of educational value?

Then they are for the most part told to forget about profit and only run what the fcc says is enough spots.
This is state controlled media. In this time of financial hardship and multiple digital station's this is bad for tv.

This rule should be repealed, if this applied to stations that are geared towards kids, then I could see the logic. It isn't tho, it is disruptive and in the case of the game pre emption or inability of the station to air a standard show or paid program, it effects those on a small budget.

I don't like infomercials, yet some stations need the money, if I don't like them fine, the station should have the say, not me not Washington.

I know early morning on Sunday is not a great sales time for tv and radio, I know stations that would like to run a religious program on Sunday morning yet can't fit them in live due to this. They don't want a tape delay.

Why should a station have to play a cartoon instead of a religious show or big game because of fcc rules. I doubt the fcc reinburses station's for any lost money ;-)

To get back to the requirement, why don't some stations scatter 1 half hour E/I shows at off weekday times and seperate them so there isn't fours in a row of E/I?

I would think that stations should be able to run PSA's scattered thru the wake aimed at children to fufill the time needed.

I'm not anti kid I just find this hypocritical. While the current First Lady and First Ladies before her are promoting exercise and healthy food, they say kids need to sit in front of the boob tube for four hours.

The fcc needs to repeal this rule, it is just wrong.

I know that many stations wanted CA status as opposed to low power for the channel protectio, is it true if they remained an LP or translator they are exempt from this rule?
 
I agree with the idea of repealing the educational and informative programming rules enforced by the FCC. I suggest contacting members of the House of Representatives and the Senate in the city of Washington (in the District of Columbia) and suggest they pass legislation to repeal those rules and the legislation those rules were based upon (the Children's Television Act of 1990).

Going back to Nashville said:
Why would a weather station or an adult movie station like THIS(not adult as in dirty) have to play cartoons on Saturday and Sunday mornings. On stations with multiple subchannels the same programs are aired on the differ[e]nt channels in different order at times.

TV stations licensed by the FCC are not required by the FCC to broadcast educational and informative programs (whether they be live-action programs or animated cartoons) on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

Going back to Nashville said:
I know that many stations wanted  CA status as opposed to low power for the channel protectio[n], is it true if they remained an LP or translator they are exempt from this rule?

According to this post from the Broadcast Law Blog, low-power TV stations and translators are not exempt from the rules.
 
These rules were pushed by companies which produce kids' shows - like the Children's Television Workshop and Linda Ellerbee's Lucky Duck Productions. This was all about money - for them.

Unfortunately, Saturday Morning isn't enough of a revenue center to make it worthwhile for stations to run up a lot legal bills fighting this.
 
Very cleaver KFMB....You go out of your way to record "Liberty's Kids" from the CBS East Coast feed, so you can run the show @ 9am and play your 'blame the FCC' card' and you completely ignore the 5-6pm CBS West Coast feed of same said program! (CBS also fed the program 4-5pm on Sunday as a 2nd choice) You all can whine and cry, and go on your anti-government rants, but the fact is this one station, for whatever reason, decided to play fast and loose with the network schedule, and blame it on an FCC mandate!
 
RadioFanBoy said:
Very cleaver KFMB....You go out of your way to record "Liberty's Kids" from the CBS East Coast feed, so you can run the show @ 9am and play your 'blame the FCC' card' and you completely ignore the 5-6pm CBS West Coast feed of same said program! (CBS also fed the program 4-5pm on Sunday as a 2nd choice) You all can whine and cry, and go on your anti-government rants, but the fact is this one station, for whatever reason, decided to play fast and loose with the network schedule, and blame it on an FCC mandate!
I don't think this has anything to do with the FCC at all, or any party in particular. What I bet happened is that the schedule was automated and someone just forgot to cancel that airing of Liberty's Kids.
 
Going back to Nashville said:
The E/I mandates by the fcc are absolutely crazy! This is just another example of the government interferring with private business with out of control and over reaching mandates, that confuse stations and can hurt their profits and scheduling.

I don't like the big conglomerates anymore than most people, in this case I would site with the companies. The paperwork and the public file are enough to make one lose their mind. If you mess up one thing in that public file you will be fined. I know a station that got a hefty fine from the fcc for messing up the time on a report. It was an honest human error, they put 9AM down instead of 10AM on a Sunday after the clocks were changed. They had the right start time, they got confused and put the old time for the end. It looked as if they were an hour short on paper even tho they were not in actual time.

I don't mind the fcc wanting some completely safe childrens programs run. No parent wants to have to explain the ed/Viagra commercial to their child on a Saturday morning. This law is just plain bad and nonsence. Every digital subchannel has to run E/I?

Why would a weather station or an adult movie station like THIS(not adult as in dirty) have to play cartoons on Saturday and Sunday mornings. On stations with multiple subchannels the same programs are aired on the differnent channels in different order at times.

It along with infomercials makes Saturday and Sunday morning a virtual tv wasteland. Some of the cartoons and kids shows are so outdated no kid would watch them. He Man, She Ra are cartoons of course but are they really of educational value?

Then they are for the most part told to forget about profit and only run what the fcc says is enough spots.
This is state controlled media. In this time of financial hardship and multiple digital station's this is bad for tv.

This rule should be repealed, if this applied to stations that are geared towards kids, then I could see the logic. It isn't tho, it is disruptive and in the case of the game pre emption or inability of the station to air a standard show or paid program, it effects those on a small budget.

I don't like infomercials, yet some stations need the money, if I don't like them fine, the station should have the say, not me not Washington.

I know early morning on Sunday is not a great sales time for tv and radio, I know stations that would like to run a religious program on Sunday morning yet can't fit them in live due to this. They don't want a tape delay.

Why should a station have to play a cartoon instead of a religious show or big game because of fcc rules. I doubt the fcc reinburses station's for any lost money ;-)

To get back to the requirement, why don't some stations scatter 1 half hour E/I shows at off weekday times and seperate them so there isn't fours in a row of E/I?

I would think that stations should be able to run PSA's scattered thru the wake aimed at children to fufill the time needed.

I'm not anti kid I just find this hypocritical. While the current First Lady and First Ladies before her are promoting exercise and healthy food, they say kids need to sit in front of the boob tube for four hours.

The fcc needs to repeal this rule, it is just wrong.

I know that many stations wanted CA status as opposed to low power for the channel protectio, is it true if they remained an LP or translator they are exempt from this rule?
Typing ability: sufficient
(Article) Reading comprehension: lacking
 
I don't think he cared about the article, he just saw the E/I and used it as an excuse to get off a rant he's had bottled up for a while.
 
If the "E/I" rules are ever repealed, ABC, CBS, NBC, and most of their stations will quickly abandon children's programming.

Saturday mornings on most ABC/CBS/NBC stations on the East Coast (except in the smallest markets) would likely consist of two hours of local news from 6 to 8 A.M.; a two-hour network morning news/infotainment show from 8 to 10 A.M.; and two more hours of local news from 10 A.M. to 12 Noon.
 
Joseph_Gallant said:
If the "E/I" rules are ever repealed, ABC, CBS, NBC, and most of their stations will quickly abandon children's programming.

Saturday mornings on most ABC/CBS/NBC stations on the East Coast (except in the smallest markets) would likely consist of two hours of local news from 6 to 8 A.M.; a two-hour network morning news/infotainment show from 8 to 10 A.M.; and two more hours of local news from 10 A.M. to 12 Noon.
I don't know. I wonder if the E/I rules are what killed kids' programming on broadcast to begin with. If the FCC stops meddling with what can and can't be on kids' programming, we might see the return of kids' programming kids actually want to watch on broadcast.
 
Mario-500 said:
Going back to Nashville said:
Why would a weather station or an adult movie station like THIS(not adult as in dirty) have to play cartoons on Saturday and Sunday mornings. On stations with multiple subchannels the same programs are aired on the differ[e]nt channels in different order at times.

TV stations licensed by the FCC are not required by the FCC to broadcast educational and informative programs (whether they be live-action programs or animated cartoons) on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

Affiliates of the Big 3 tend to use Saturday mornings, as the programming is already provided to them by the network.

Mario-500 said:
Going back to Nashville said:
I know that many stations wanted CA status as opposed to low power for the channel protectio[n], is it true if they remained an LP or translator they are exempt from this rule?

According to this post from the Broadcast Law Blog, low-power TV stations and translators are not exempt from the rules.

I believe the E/I law applies only to Class-A low powers -- standard LP stations operating on a TX license are not required to carry E/I programming.


FredLeonard said:
These rules were pushed by companies which produce kids' shows - like the Children's Television Workshop and Linda Ellerbee's Lucky Duck Productions. This was all about money - for them.

Yet Sesame Workshop (the successor to CTW) and Lucky Duck had largely stayed away from E/I programming on commercial stations these days -- many of these shows are produced either by Cookie Jar, Litton, or a small outfit that produces these shows for cheap, or recycles those produced many years earlier ("New Zoo Revue" repeats experienced a resurgence of popularity because of E/I).

FredLeonard said:
Unfortunately, Saturday Morning isn't enough of a revenue center to make it worthwhile for stations to run up a lot legal bills fighting this.

Which is why you see mainly PSAs, ads for seniors or prescription medicine during these shows, as the FCC imposed ad restrictions during E/I programming.

Morgan Wick said:
RadioFanBoy said:
Very cleaver KFMB....You go out of your way to record "Liberty's Kids" from the CBS East Coast feed, so you can run the show @ 9am and play your 'blame the FCC' card' and you completely ignore the 5-6pm CBS West Coast feed of same said program! (CBS also fed the program 4-5pm on Sunday as a 2nd choice) You all can whine and cry, and go on your anti-government rants, but the fact is this one station, for whatever reason, decided to play fast and loose with the network schedule, and blame it on an FCC mandate!
I don't think this has anything to do with the FCC at all, or any party in particular. What I bet happened is that the schedule was automated and someone just forgot to cancel that airing of Liberty's Kids.

That, or KFMB would rather show news, syndicated programming or, worse, infomercials after the game.

Joseph_Gallant said:
If the "E/I" rules are ever repealed, ABC, CBS, NBC, and most of their stations will quickly abandon children's programming.

Saturday mornings on most ABC/CBS/NBC stations on the East Coast (except in the smallest markets) would likely consist of two hours of local news from 6 to 8 A.M.; a two-hour network morning news/infotainment show from 8 to 10 A.M.; and two more hours of local news from 10 A.M. to 12 Noon.

But don't be surprised if the local stations use some or all of their local time for infomercials. Since the end if 4KidsTV on Fox, many of their affiliates now show infomercials instead, most from Fox's so-called "Weekend Marketplace" block.
 
Morgan Wick said:
Joseph_Gallant said:
If the "E/I" rules are ever repealed, ABC, CBS, NBC, and most of their stations will quickly abandon children's programming.

Saturday mornings on most ABC/CBS/NBC stations on the East Coast (except in the smallest markets) would likely consist of two hours of local news from 6 to 8 A.M.; a two-hour network morning news/infotainment show from 8 to 10 A.M.; and two more hours of local news from 10 A.M. to 12 Noon.
I don't know. I wonder if the E/I rules are what killed kids' programming on broadcast to begin with. If the FCC stops meddling with what can and can't be on kids' programming, we might see the return of kids' programming kids actually want to watch on broadcast.

But can the networks compete against Nick, Disney and Cartoon Network today? The reason Fox dumped 4KidsTV in favor of infomercials was due to poor ratings against the cable channels.
 
Going back to Nashville said:
I don't mind the fcc wanting some completely safe childrens programs run. No parent wants to have to explain the ed/Viagra commercial to their child on a Saturday morning. This law is just plain bad and nonsence. Every digital subchannel has to run E/I?

EVERY digital subchannel of a Full Service TV or Class A station has to run three hours of E/I programming. I don't think ION Life carries E/I because every show on Qubo is classified as "E/I Compliant," and I believe (I'm not 100% sure, though) there is a loophole that allows ION to classify every E/I program they air on Qubo as a combined total of E/I shows on every one of their subchannels.

Going back to Nashville said:
Why should a station have to play a cartoon instead of a religious show or big game because of fcc rules. I doubt the fcc reinburses station's for any lost money ;-)

Virtually no station makes money off of E/I. This may be the reason more stations run hours of infomercials at a time than they used to. Plus, have you ever seen the paper trail stations have to submit to the FCC regarding what E/I programs they're going to air and when they're going to air them? Stations file quarterly reports on what they aired in the past three months and what they're going to air in the next three. Try being a program director at a station with a primary channel and two subchannels.

Going back to Nashville said:
To get back to the requirement, why don't some stations scatter 1 half hour E/I shows at off weekday times and seperate them so there isn't fours in a row of E/I?

This would be logical. TV programmers don't think that way. I still scratch my head on why one of our local station's weather subchannels runs their E/I three hours straight on a Sunday afternoon when they can schedule it a half hour each day at 12 Noon Monday through Saturday, when most people are getting their weather information from their mid-day newscast.
 
KFMB has a rule on Saturday mornings to air E-I programming from 9-10 AM despite having CBS Sports Coverage throughout those days. However, many CBS O&O's just air the sports programming and sometimes, they air the E/I shows on Mon-Fri in the noon timeslot for stations that do not carry a newscast. In Monterey and Santa Barbara, KION/KCOY when they have to air their E/I programs when pre-empted by CBS Sports Mon-Fri from 12-12:30 PM since KCOY cancelled their noon news, they began to air paid programs but does have room to carry Liberty's Kids and Cookie Jar TV.
 
The E/I lobby basically killed kid's programming on OTA TV. (1) By making it "good for you" - veggies; not dessert. There was a time when kid's TV was entertaining (with little lessons slipped in). No this stuff. (2) No commercials. No profit. I learned an important lesson from TV commercials on kids' shows: Caveat Emptor. Buffalo Bob told me if I bought this "delicious" cereal and sent in the box top and a quarter, I'd get a really cool magic set (it looked cool on TV). I hated the cereal and the magic set, cheap paper cut-outs, really sucked. But that commercial has probably saved me thousands of dollars in stuff I saw in commercials and didn't buy. That magic set made me infomercial-proof. Then there were those sneakers that would make me run faster, jump higher and be really great at basketball. Nope, didn't happen. Lesson well learned.
So, today we are producing a generation of kids who believe everything they see on TV.
 
Mario-500 said:
TV stations licensed by the FCC are not required by the FCC to broadcast educational and informative programs (whether they be live-action programs or animated cartoons) on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

I think what you meant was: Stations are not restricted to broadcasting E/I programs on only Saturdays and Sundays. Though most (including all Big Four affiliates/O&Os) block them on weekends just to get them out of the way, stations are free to schedule those three hours during the week anyway they wish. For example, WWOR-TV here in NYC strips E/I stuff during the 7:00 AM half-hour on weekdays.

I'm with most of you in saying it needs to go. Just as long as Litton's Weekend Adventure (and Claire Thomas) stays.
 
Rollo-Smokes said:
Mario-500 said:
TV stations licensed by the FCC are not required by the FCC to broadcast educational and informative programs (whether they be live-action programs or animated cartoons) on Saturday and Sunday mornings.

I think what you meant was: Stations are not restricted to broadcasting E/I programs on only Saturdays and Sundays.

^You were correct.
 
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