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Ed Schultz Blasts Phil Boyce and Poor Management at WABC

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ABQTom

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Ed Schultz commented on Imus return to WABC (Monday oct 15 at about 920a PACIFIC).

Said, “That will be a happy house with Phil Boyce and Don Imus.”

Continued:

“As poorly as that station is managed ,they ought to be getting a 6 share with all those big name personalities…but they’re only getting a 3 share.”

Ed’s absolutely right. Their program lineup is stagnant. They need to bring Big Ed and some NY Radio veterans on board like Jay Diamond and Alan Colmes order to get 6 shares.

Why these PD’s don’t program for the best ratings possible remains an eternal mystery.

It's all about ideology, especially at Citadel, who doesn't carry Ed Schultz on any of their properties.
 
Schultz is following the perfect strategy for the underdog -- attack the stick-in-the-mud programmers at the bigger stations who won't lose the old, tired formula of conservative, conservative, conservative. Naming your enemy is an old strategy of the Florida school of talk, and also of the Jacor school. Sounds like Randy Michaels has been giving Schultzie a peek at the old playbook. ;)
 
You're right. A lot of it is about ideology.

Just look at the bozos running Rush's show and his affiliates.

Didn't El Rushbo tell everyone ( Like it was supposed to be true ) something such as that "If the Vote Vets want to express their opinons on my show, they can buy time just like anyone else."

Then see how willing they were, especially at WJNO, to actually run them?

What, expect us to keep our word?
 
Of course, turn it into a political discussion. There are 80-some stations in NYC. Of course, KFI clobbers WABC in billing, so perhaps someone ought to light a fire under the sales department, but to say a city with a large percentage of people who don't speak English or care about American politics should have a talk station with a 6 share is silly. KFI may have come close, but they have a better base for conservative talk in LA than WABC does in NY.

BTW, why would Ed Schultz be first in line for the gig? There are several good or excellent conservatives with shows... Jay Diamond?? Phil Boyce isn't pimping an agenda, you are.
 
ABQTom said:
Ed Schultz commented on Imus return to WABC (Monday oct 15 at about 920a PACIFIC).

Said, “That will be a happy house with Phil Boyce and Don Imus.”

Continued:

“As poorly as that station is managed ,they ought to be getting a 6 share with all those big name personalities…but they’re only getting a 3 share.”

Ed’s absolutely right. Their program lineup is stagnant. They need to bring Big Ed and some NY Radio veterans on board like Jay Diamond and Alan Colmes order to get 6 shares.

Why these PD’s don’t program for the best ratings possible remains an eternal mystery.

It's all about ideology, especially at Citadel, who doesn't carry Ed Schultz on any of their properties.
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I don't speak for Citadel (I don't work for them), but, though I like Alan Colmes personally...he's never, ever accumulated much of a radio audience.

Ed? He's making some noise...maybe there's a case there, but let's see what research shows...

Jay Diamond? Who?
 
Alan Colmes and Jay Diamond have been highly regarded hosts for years.

Colmes founded DAYNET with Barry Farber and Dr. Joy Browne in about 1990, with Colmes on over 200 affiliates. Colmes has the widest variety of guests of any syndicated liberal talk radio show.

That's more than Ed Schultz or any Air America host has ever acheived but I am not knocking the syndication efforts of Ed or Air America by making this statement.

Jay Diamond got top ratings in NYC at WABC, WOR, WEVD, and WRKO. Diamond now subs for Colmes on FOX news radio with Alan Colmes.

The industry would be better off with hosts like Diamond and Colmes on networks like ABC and Air America.
 
I don't think Phil Boyce has to worry a whole lot about what Ed Schultz thinks. I like Schultz, but come on. I just hope when Imus starts on WABC, he's not put into the same conservative, reactionary mode that Sliwa and Hannity do.

It would also be a big help to Imus if he doesn't bring Bernard McGuirk along.

Jay Diamond was on for a short (thank God) time here. I think he must be the most stilted, boring clone I've ever heard. I know he's been around since Marconi, was he always this way?
 
NewsNow said:
I don't think Phil Boyce has to worry a whole lot about what Ed Schultz thinks.
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True, he does have to worry about what he thinks. However, it's what he says that matters. You have to listen to Schultz everyday because you never know what he will say next. Today, he called Phil Boyce, "a fat slob". I don't care how thick skinned you are when someone calls you a "fat slob" (on-air) you get mad.
 
"Jay Diamond was on for a short (thank God) time here. I think he must be the most stilted, boring clone I've ever heard. I know he's been around since Marconi, was he always this way?"

Here being where? Jay is one of the finest broadcasters in so many ways - great guests, ability to interact with callers who disagree in a friendly manner, and the best impersonator of talk show hosts, politicians, and accents of ANY host I know of. Did you here his classic saturday night WRKO shows in 2005?!

Jay should be syndicated by Air America, as Gnarlodious, doc9464, and others have suggested here. That would save the network, I guarantee. With Jay Diamond on board, they could pick up some red stations, for a change.
 
Ok...he said what?
"Today, he called Phil Boyce, "a fat slob". I don't care how thick skinned you are when someone calls you a "fat slob" (on-air) you get mad."
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That's it. I hereby challenge Big Ed to a suma wrestling match. Best two out of 3 falls. Frankly, I think I look pretty good wearing one of those funny looking towel things. But you know, after a guy who wants a job on my station calls me a fat slob...am I going to be MORE likely to hire him...or less? By the way...he is not called "Big" Ed because of his ratings. So who is the fat slob here? Hmmmmmmm ?



Ed Schultz commented on Imus return to WABC (Monday oct 15 at about 920a PACIFIC).

“As poorly as that station is managed ,they ought to be getting a 6 share with all those big name personalities…but they’re only getting a 3 share.”
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Somebody from Fargo probably does not understand what a 3 share in NYC represents. But there is a bigger question here. Who does he think hired all those big name personalities? If he is impressed with the lineup...and he obviously is...then what more am I supposed to do? Isn't that the job of a good PD...to go out and get the biggest names and biggest stars he can find? Or, as I have done with Hannity and Levin, find people and help them become stars? So he takes the position that those stars WOULD be getting a 6 share if not for MY mismanagement of the station.....yet I am the guy who hired them, groomed them, put them in a position to succeed, and in the case of two of them, took them national, where both of them kick his butt in national audience figures. Hmmmmmm. Big Ed is not making sense again...but that is normal.

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"But there is a bigger question here. Who does he think hired all those big name personalities? If he is impressed with the lineup...and he obviously is...then what more am I supposed to do?"

No he isn't impressed with your lineup at all. He just called them "big name personalities." Doesn't imply at all that he likes Druggie Limbaugh and Slanthead. Ed didn't say why WABC is mismanaged.

"Isn't that the job of a good PD...to go out and get the biggest names and biggest stars he can find?"

Yes.

"Or, as I have done with Hannity and Levin, find people and help them become stars? So he takes the position that those stars WOULD be getting a 6 share if not for MY mismanagement of the station.....yet I am the guy who hired them, groomed them, put them in a position to succeed, and in the case of two of them, took them national, where both of them kick his butt in national audience figures."

Well ... maybe true for national audience figures counting all the smaller CONSERVATIVE markets ... but Hannity is LOSING or going neck and neck with Big Ed in key BIG CITY LIBERAL markets like Albuquerque, Denver, Miami, and Seattle ...
 
I think it's absolutely hilarious that "Pig Ed" Shultz suffers under the delusion that he is qualified to insult ANYONE'S looks! That guy looks exactly like Jabba the Hutt with a microphone.

His website lists about 90 tiny affiliates, most of which are on frequencies over 1000 on the am dial. Whooptie-doo. I find the 3.5 million listener number a TRIFLE difficult to believe. HAHA

The last I remember reading about Pig Ed was that he was involved in some bar-room brawl somewhere. Classy. He also blamed President Bush for the Minneapolis bridge collapse...saying that Bush didn't provide funds for maintenance for the bridge. I guess whatever liberal politician gave Pig Ed his Talking Points that day forgot to mention that states and local municipalities provide such funds, not the President of the United States...but of course, what else can you expect from a paid mouthpiece for the Democratic Party but lies??

Hey Pig Ed, a question: Will you be sober enough today to go cash your check from MoveOn.org?
 
Tom says :
No he isn't impressed with your lineup at all. He just called them "big name personalities." Doesn't imply at all that he likes Druggie Limbaugh and Slanthead.
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Read him again. He said this lineup should get WABC a six share. That would make it #1 over all stations in NYC. So he is obviously impressed with it. I did not say he liked these people....but saying it should get a 6 share is a huge compliment to Rush...Sean..Levin...etc. Hey....thanks big Ed.

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Steven21 said:
Albuquerque?
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What about Albuquerque?

Phil Boyce loves it there with his babies Mark and Sean on the 50,000 watt flamethrower to the west 770 KKOB.

well actually Levin only makes it on the 1,000 watt 1050 KTBL another citadel property

weekends are boring on KKOB with low ratings, featuring endless reruns of Hannity and Limbaugh

a terrible waste of 50,000 watts

certainly they could have Bruce Dumont or Dr. Dean Edell on weekends or more local sports programming.

-ABQTom
 
Don't you believe a great station is one whose personalities are attractive and entertaining BEYOND their political leanings? Don't you think it's acceptable to have a conservative back to back with a non-conservative if they are interesting enough? Why must talk radio be programmed these days based on political slant? Isn't that limiting the potential audience.

WABC was a terrific station when you could hear the likes of Bob Grant AND Lynn Samuels. The common thread? Interesting individualists--unlike what you hear on stations around the country filled with Rush clones.
 
AbqTom: Dr. Dean Edell is the most boring show in the world. KKOB is a good station for its market size, with a 5-hour morning block, strong local afternoon show, evening show, etc. They DO have a good amount of local/regional sports, and they don't, since I last checked, run many re-runs on the weekend. Besides, listeners would much rather hear a familiar voice that they already listen to during the week than some new show with a much less talented host (which is why they're on the weekend). The reason stations that air "weekend" programs like home shows, garden shows, car shows, etc. is because those shows are extremely sellable and bring in lots of dough. The stations that can't get those shows (or who couldn't compete against the better stations' similar shows) whore out much of the time. The truly lazy, poorly run, low-billing stations just run repeats off a sat. You can tell a lot about a station by its weekend lineup.

CM454: In this over-radioed day and age, many markets have too many frequencies. You have secondary and tertiary stations for many of the top music formats on FM. Some talk is moving to FM. This leaves AM with a short list of viable options:
1) foreign language - not viable except in major and some large markets
2) brokered time
3) religious
4) tax write-off, something the owner enjoys, etc.
5) talk

Considering there aren't many other options in most markets, that leaves the last one, talk, wide open. A lot of markets have 3, 4, 5 or more talk stations. I lived in Phoenix when there were 9, excluding the Christian preaching ones. So, why mix ideologies and cause people to tune out for someone they don't like when you can just launch another station? Conservative talk, liberal talk, pet talk, hot talk, water cooler talk, women's talk, elderly talk, advice talk, religious talk... there's plenty of room for all of them on the dying AM band. Of course, most don't/won't make money, but that's another story.
 
KJCB said:
So, why mix ideologies and cause people to tune out for someone they don't like when you can just launch another station? Conservative talk, liberal talk, pet talk, hot talk, water cooler talk, women's talk, elderly talk, advice talk, religious talk...
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Why mix? Well, how about recognizing that a certain slant DOES NOT have to be the dividing line governing what a station is or why people listen to it. You are assuming that people only listen to the radio to hear their opinions repeated back to them with another person's voice.

Did it ever occur to you that entertaining people, regardless of opinion, are capable of being interesting and maintaining an audience? Or are you one who only associates with people who agree with you about everything?

In all likelihood, you associate with those who are interesting to you, irrespective to what they believe politically or otherwise. What a shame that talkradio has become so tainted with partisan politics that this little piece of common sense falls by the wayside. As I mentioned, WABC used to have some very animated PERSONALITIES of ALL political persuations on the air, and they did a lot better in the ratings than they do now.
 
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