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Four score and fourteen years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new medium, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Then Limbaugh showed up and ruined everything.
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So? As the resident "experts" keep telling us, all that matters in radio is ratings and revenue. Though, for the sake of accuracy, "hating" is an accusation that many on the left like to bandy about as one of their pet peeves, as if everyone is as emotionally driven as liberals. To those of us on the right, we don't have intense emotional antipathy towards socialists and others of the left. We don't hate them, and because we hate them personally, we allow that to cloud our judgement about their political agenda. Those who accuse conservatives of "hating" seem to think (check that, they don't think, they feel) that we could just get over our personal hatred of Barack Obama, we'd love his socialist agenda. That inability to recognize that conservatives only disagree with the left's policies and agenda, not the people themselves, is what prevents them from seeing things as they really are.
Of course, when someone does something vile, reporting those vile actions can be perceived a "vilifying". And, if someone acts in a manner consistent with what a denizen of the netherworld would do, honest reporting of those actions could be described as "demonizing".
That's not to say that talk show hosts of all political stripes, as well as some non-political hosts, don't sometimes use the perfectly reasonable rhetorical technique of hyperbole. It works, and the audiences seem to like it. Which brings us back to my first statement. As the resident "experts" keep telling us, all that matters in radio is ratings and revenue.
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Yes, we do. The problem is that you are not among the audience demographic that we're attempting to reach.
How does that make you feel?
These quotes alone tell me that you have NO IDEA what vile garbage spews from the mouths of talkradio's conservative core audience both on the air and particularly off the air during call screening. Your comments above are laughable and out-of-touch.
The ignorance and denial here of the wingnut rage and obsession with Obama is pitiful. Haven't ANY of you actually been in the trenches in day-to-day talkradio? Because I have been for years and their has been a marked escalation of nasty vitriol coming from conservatives specifically. You say these wingnuts aren't emotional? LOL! They (hosts & listeners) are notorious for being knee-jerk reactionaries! The tea party thrives on motivating voters by appealing to those easily stoked conservative emotions. It blows my mind that some here are clueless about this, and actually either deny it or defend it.
Of course THAT little caveat allows you to justify ANYTHING they say.
I didn't get into talkradio to push some political agenda and I absolutely detest how stupid the format has gotten in the last 10 years, especially the last 5.
Ratings-wise the talk format is well on it's way to dying on the vine. I never thought I'd say this, but maybe the world would be better off without today's poor excuse for talkradio. It's become nothing but an ugly circus.
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That sounds like saying, "I didn't get into music radio so that I could only play the songs that were on a list someone gave me."
As for the rest of it, I was speaking about the Conservative radio audience, not the people who generate high ratings and revenues by talking to them.
No it doesn't. You have little understanding of the evolution of this format, so you're drawing conclusions based on your after-the-fact suppositions as to why things are the way they are. I was a disc jockey during the 80's and was more than happy to play what was on a list. It wasn't my job to pick the music. As a talk show host in numerous markets, including medium, large and major, the job was to entertain using current events. But much like in music radio, talk radio PDs and OMs decided at one point, in their usual lazy and uncreative way, that since Rush was successful, everybody should sound like Rush, ideologically speaking. It wasn't because those who didn't sound like Rush did poorly or those stations were losing ratings, or that all the Rush clones did exceedingly well, because many didn't. It was a musicradio-style fad run amok that has finally run it's course, which is why talkradio ratings have plummeted in recent years.
Those revenues and ratings are in freefall.
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Yes, that certainly is what it sounds like. I didn't say that is what it is, I said that is what it sounded like.
If you're going to whine and kvetch about talk show hosts who respond with hyperbole instead of precision, shouldn't you do a better job in your posting of replying with precision instead of hyperbole? If you claim you can do better, demonstrate that by actually doing better. Otherwise, we won't be likely to take you seriously.
We don't hate them, because we hate them personally? That's the most inside-out, bassackward piece of gibberish I've ever seen on this site. (And that's going some.) Guess you'd call that a Freudian goof?
I see you save that criticism only for those you disagree with. How convenient.
And you should be taken seriously? You're a talkradio groupie, nothing more. You've never sat behind a mic, or screened a call, or run master control---or for that matter, an early-morning countdown show. I've done all those things in quite a few top-50 markets over the last 30 years.
I've worked INSIDE the talk format for most of my career, alongside and/or for some of the more prominent programming names bandied about on these boards.
What have you brought to the table, other than lots and lots and lots of rank-amateur speculation? And you think anybody takes YOU seriously? You have nothing of value to offer on a messageboard intended for people who actually put food on their table with commercial broadcasting.
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You could call it a Freudian slip, a typographical error, or any of a number of terms to describe the accidental omission of two "don'ts". I should have typed, "We don't hate them, and because we don't hate them personally, we don't allow that to cloud our judgement about their political agenda." That's what I should have typed, but I typed it wrong.
At least it reveals something of the character of those who notice the error. When faced with the choice of giving someone the benefit of the doubt or attacking with both barrels, the choice of response says more about the person making the choice than it does about the person making the error in the first place.
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"Thesmokinggun" now leans heavily to the left. It used to be neutral, but it got hijacked.
"Thesmokinggun" now leans heavily to the left. It used to be neutral, but it got hijacked.
So the warrant and contents therein are fake?
Wow, that's terrible. Those "smoking gun" rascals!
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Well, that's what happens when you type while you're angry. All I revealed was that I was just trying to make some sense out of your usual brainless blargle.
No. Again: THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.
I've never claimed I could solve the problems of talk radio. Everyone else here claims they have the solution, and their solution apparently is slander and insults.
So the warrant and contents therein are fake?
Wow, that's terrible. Those "smoking gun" rascals!
Stop deflecting. You know I was talking about the crackpot theory that Rush went deaf because of pill abuse.
There is no point other than the constant finger-pointing that is killing the format. Hosts need to find something else to talk about, or else the audience will find something else to do.
This thread isn't about radio. It's about this board. Laziness, cowardice and unoriginal thinking is what's killing the format. Finger pointing is killing the board.
I don't know what the answer to fixing radio is. I can't magically make owners and management try something new or different.
The board however, could be fixed if people just thought before they posted stupid stuff. Especially when it's been posted 1000 times before. Next time you read a blog that takes something Rush said out of context, think twice before starting yet ANOTHER thread. (Not you Big A, but the people who do that.)
Same people, same problem.
You probably know the backgrounds of these people better than I do, but I'd be willing to bet that none of them have ever been in a position to do anything to improve the lot of talk radio. Not even on a micro level at a small local station.
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