Ed Schultz meltdown in a bar

[raccoonradio]

Newsbusters (Right-leaning; caveat lector to the liberals) says there are different versions of
the story (kinda like that All in the Family episode where Archie and Mike each had their own
spin on what happened when the fridge broke down--oh, and Edith had what was probably
more accurate in her own version, but I digress)...Ed Schultz, former Republican and now
Jones radio libtalk host and an altercation in a bar:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gl...k-radio-host-ed-schultz-has-rashomon-bar-feud

Hannity mentioned on his show yesterday that "Schulz is financed by the Dem. party". Of course
some have also argued that conservative shows are similarly backed by Republicans..judge for thyself.

 

[Northwest Bobby]

??? Ed WHO?

 

[brian65]

The sad state of affairs is that people often don't get past who is saying something or offering an idea and not listening to what the actual idea is.

I think Talk (Label) Radio is the underlying cause.

Most radio talk show hosts now are beginning to come across like WWF participants...all persona, image and bluster.

 

[raccoonradio]

A left-leaning radio consultant has told me that the Forum (paper which first published the report)
is funded by Republican donors and has been a foe of Ed for years (and had to change some published
facts about the story). She also said (and Wikipedia's entry on Schultz mentions) that not all of
Schultz's views are to the left (abortion and gay marriage, for example).
It has been said he used to be a Republican...
I have heard of people drifting to the Right as they grow older (the saying: 20 and not a liberal,
you have no heart/40 and a conservative, you have no mind) but not many instances of drifting
to the Left...
Again, not everyone knows the facts for sure about what happened that night and where they are
on the poli. spectrum, and how they regard Ed, can color their views.

 

[FightingIrish]

Okay, I'll bite.

Hannity has to be careful where he treads on this. After all, this just goes to prove that Schultz isn't too full of himself that he can't go out and rub elbows with 'commoners.' Anyone ever see Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc. go out in public? I mean, except for a broadcasters convention or similar event? Think Hannity's approachable in public? Ha! Ever think you'll see O'Reilly slingin' a cold one at the local tavern or in the falafel aisle at the grocery store? No way! And forget about Limbaugh. The only place you'll ever see him in public is at an exclusive golf club or behind a Denny's.

http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2007/09/ed-schultz-fight-club.html

Here's a little story from a couple years ago of a right-wing radio host who actually does go out in public. Only thing is, he really shouldn't:

OK, everyone, I just received the most hilarious phone call from one of my friends, KC, in San Francisco. 100% true, and it just happened tonight.

KC and his friend decided to get some crab, so they went to Nonna Rose Seafood in Fisherman's Wharf. They wanted one of the outside tables, waited a few minutes, and were seated.

Just after they sat down, they heard a gruff man at the table next to them complaining to his waiter. "I thought you said I'd get some privacy here," he complained. "We're very busy tonight, sir, I'm sorry" he replied.

So, KC glances over at this guy. He's an older guy, strange-looking, by himself, reading a magazine, and there's a little grey-haired poodle at his feet, lapping water like crazy out of a very nice dish. He absolutely glares at my friend.

KC leans across the table and whispers, "What an asshole," to his buddy. "Poor dog," his friend answers.

They're well into appetizers when the man calls over the server by crooking his finger. "Get the manager," he commands.

"Is something wrong?" the server says.

"Yes, I need to move my dog's water dish, but I'm not going to touch it myself."

Now, KC just about drops his fork when he hears this. I'm still a bartender, and he used to be, and that's got to be one of the most condescending requests he's ever heard. The server rolls his eyes at KC and his friend, walks away, and soon the manager shows up.

"Sir?"

"Well, how am I supposed to touch this food after touching the dog's bowl? Move it and bring him another one!" he yells.

At this point, KC's friend says to him, "You know, that guy looks familiar. He even sounds familiar. I think he's famous or something."

The manager actually kneels down and starts to move the bowl when the man screams out, "What are you doing?? Make the busboy do that!!"

KC and his friend actually burst out laughing at this point. They look over at the guy, and KC says it looks like he's about to bare teeth.

Eventually, a poor busboy is dispatched to move the dog's bowl. The man finishes his dinner, glares at KC's table, gets up and leaves.

They immediately call their server over.

"Hey, was that someone famous? He sure was an asshole."

"Yeh," the server said. "He eats here pretty often."

"So is he someone famous? He looks familiar, kinda."

"Oh, him?" the server says. "That's Michael Savage."


Hannity's been pounding the financing issue on several occasions, prompting Schultz to address the issue on his own show last week. Tom Athans, husband of Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) helped get the show off the ground, since the big syndicators like Premiere weren't stepping up to the plate. He got a deal with Jones, and now the show is owned by Randy Michaels and Stu Crane, both conservatives. In addition, Schultz has pumped a lot of his own money into the show to get it going. Nothing wrong with any of that.

And finally, Schultz and Hannity have been going at it for a while. Schultz claims that Hannity is intimidated by him, and has refused to even appear at the same functions together or invite him on his FOX News show.

 

[raccoonradio]

Am not quite into Savage myself other than in short bites, but is it possible he's actually the gruff,
brusque person he appears to be on air? It's not an act?
Borders language culture, buy my books. Borders language culture, buy my books, I'll be right back.

 

[brian65]

Wow. Interesting post Fighting Irish.

Its the WWF all over again.

I don't think talk radio is very far away from spandex and huge belt buckles.

 

[JohnAllan]

Wow. Interesting post Fighting Irish.

Its the WWF all over again.

I don't think talk radio is very far away from spandex and huge belt buckles.

WHAT does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with this?? IF you are talking about wrestling (or rasslin') then you must mean the WWE. Surely you must remember the court case over the letters WWF.

 

[brian65]

Wow. Interesting post Fighting Irish.

Its the WWF all over again.

I don't think talk radio is very far away from spandex and huge belt buckles.

WHAT does the World Wildlife Fund have to do with this?? IF you are talking about wrestling (or rasslin') then you must mean the WWE. Surely you must remember the court case over the letters WWF.

No, I meant the WWF.

 

[SeanMGilbow]

Here's some background on the person who tried to pick a fight with Big Eddie. This comes from listener postings on the Ed Schultz message board.

Kevin Nagle is the President and CEO of Envision Options, a pharmacy benefits management company.

Name & Location Employer/Occupation Dollar
Amount Date Primary/
General Contibuted To
Nagle, Kevin
EL DORADO HILLS, CA
95762 Envision Pharmaceutical Servic/Pres $1,000 06/29/2006 G ROBINSON FOR CONGRESS - Republican
Nagle, Kevin
EL DORADO HILLS, CA
95762 Envision Pharmaceutical Serv/CEO $220 04/27/2005 P CALIFORNIA REPUBLICAN PARTY/VICTORY 2006 - Republican
NAGLE, KEVIN M
EL DORADO HILLS, CA
95762 EVISION PHARMACIATICAL SERVICE $15,000 10/26/2004 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican
NAGLE, KEVIN M
EL DORADO HILLS, CA
95762 EVISION PHARMACIATICAL SERVICE $1,000 10/20/2004 P NATIONAL REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL COMMITTEE - Republican

From the same poster:

Envision honchos are pretty well-known to the RNC. Together Envision chairman Jim Mindala and CEO Kevin Nagle have contributed over $84,000 to Republican campaigns since 2002.

http://loganselm.blogspot.com/2005/07/taft...n-problems.html


[EDIT]


[Privacy issue]

 

[SeanMGilbow]

Apparently, Kevin Nagle is a Rudy Giuliani supporter.

http://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/kevin-nagle.asp?cycle=08

 

[raccoonradio]

PJGladnik aka PJComix of Free Republic and DUmmie FUnnies notes:
"FLASH!!! I just heard that Ed Schultz is gone today. There is someone substituting for him. Was this scheduled or is Blowhard Ed gone because of the bar incident?"

maybe just taking a long weekend till some of the heat dies down...?

 

[pbf1]

He talked about it Thursday: it was a business trip to LA, previously scheduled.

 

[RBA]

Is this a news story? Ed went to a bar, had a few drinks, some GOP Clown comes gunning for him. They both it loud. (oh no, a shouting match in a bar) Ed did not deck him, he did not lay a hand on him. He left the bar. There is no police report. Nobody went to the hospital. He was not ask to leave the bar from the staff or anyone else. Have any of guys been to a bar before? If you think this is "rough". Come to our bars out west.

 

[SeanMGilbow]

Yes, he mentioned earlier in the week that L.A. attorney Norman Goldman, the show's senior legal correspondent, would be filling in today...as he did Labor Day and the first days of Big Eddie's vacation two weeks ago.

 

[SeanMGilbow]

Thought this might interest you. Posted this at the site for the CBS affiliate in Bismarck.

Yes, I did use the "c" word to describe the person who posted the three items on Big Eddie's confrontation with Kevin Nagle anonymously. But it wasn't the same "c" word that was used on Wendy Schultz by Kevin Nagle's fiancee. And I certainly didn't put "f-ing" before it.

Thanks to Ian Schwartz, this former radio journalist who currently works with law-enforcement officers was able to find out who the coward is for posting anonymously: Rob Port.

http://www.bismarckdems.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=753&Itemid=159

From BismarckDems.com:

Rob -- like so many Republicans -- hates big government unless it gives him a big cash cow. Rob's apparently not a private investigator anymore. His father's business -- Rollie Port Investigations in Minot -- lost it's money pipeline from WSI. The family business took a little hit when WSI stopped sending them checks for $320,622 per year.

WSI is North Dakota's Workforce Safety and Insurance department, the equivalent of my home state's Bureau of Workers Compensation. My state's BWC, like WSI, has been embroiled in legal troubles also.

BismarckDems.com had this to say following an op-ed piece by Rob Port in the Grand Forks Herald:

I don't know if Rob gave his own op-ed its title, or if some copy editor gave it its title. It suggests that "the Real Scandal" at WSI isn't the pending felony charges against WSI's director and another top WSI official. The real scandal, it (or he) says, is that WSI has cut off Rob's family's WSI private investigation contract gravy train. Yeah. Those felony charges against state agency officials are a dime a dozen but here in North Dakota, state agencies never lack the resources to spend as much as they want on whatever they want. (How do you spell "hippocrit"?)

Just to assure everyone I'm not some crackpot:

Prior to my most recent promotion (the second in less than a year), I assisted my state's Homeland Security division and its section responsible for the registration and licensing of private investigators and security guards in my state. Mr. Port's firm would be dealing with that agency if he were to operate in my state. For my work, I received a letter of commendation from the Director of the Department of Public Safety, who was appointed by an unpopular (and convicted) Republican governor.

 

[dampier]

Newsbusters (Right-leaning; caveat lector to the liberals) says there are different versions of
the story.

Hannity mentioned on his show yesterday that "Schulz is financed by the Dem. party". Of course
some have also argued that conservative shows are similarly backed by Republicans..judge for thyself.

Why is this news? In the north country, as well as just about anywhere else, an alcohol-fueled political disagreement in a bar is hardly that surprising. Considering there is no police report or complaint, and Ed enjoys proving he's not a pushover for anyone on his show, I'm looking for anything newsworthy about this story.

And an instant credibility buster is quoting Brian Baloney about anything. He's not a journalist either -- he's just a blogger with an opinion.

The "Newsbusters" account of how Schultz became a liberal and started his talk show is hardly accurate either -- what a surprise. He didn't get into talk radio pretending to be a liberal just because some Democrats raised seed money for him. It's no surprise a lot of what used to be moderate Republicans in the mountain west are leaving the Republican party because they are more libertarian and secular than what controls the GOP these days. Democrats are making gains in this part of the country.

I don't consider Schultz to be a liberal Democrat. He's a moderate. That Democracy Radio, the outfit that launched Jones Radio's lineup of progressive talk with seed money, isn't news either. Hannity's claim that his show is entirely funded by Democrats is just another lie. Individual investors raised seed money to get the outfit in business. If you consider how Salem got started, or any other business, it's not a surprise that people who believe in the business plan invest their own money in it. But the progressive lineup that Jones distributes these days is not financed by the Democratic party. Hannity also claims George Soros is the only reason Air America is on the air, and that's false too. And a guy who works for Fox News needs to be real careful about throwing around accusations that others are bought and paid for mouthpieces for a political party. Pot to kettle.

BTW, Hannity has been afraid to debate Ed Schultz in person on the question of liberal talk and their respective political positions. Seems the bluster Sean likes to blow on a show where he controls the buttons doesn't extend to an independent debate between himself and Ed Schultz. Schultz has been calling Hannity a coward for weeks on his show.

 

[kaufcom]

I don't consider Schultz to be a liberal Democrat. He's a moderate. That Democracy Radio, the outfit that launched Jones Radio's lineup of progressive talk with seed money, isn't news either. Hannity's claim that his show is entirely funded by Democrats is just another lie. Individual investors raised seed money to get the outfit in business.

While it is true that Democracy Radio launched Schultz' show, all his support now comes from Jones Radio (headed by Glenn Jones-- a consevative Republican) and Product 1st (owned by Randy Michaels and Stu Crain -- both conservatives.)

 

[raccoonradio]

Well, Hannity should mention that Jones is a conservative but leaves that info out (how convenient).
As for Maloney, people here should know he's a blogger and whether or not his info is accurate--well,
your mileage may vary. Other people rely on bloggers for info to support their argument--look
at Markos Moulitsas Zúniga

Wikipedia: "Markos Moulitsas Zúniga (born 11 September 1971), often known by his username and former military moniker "Kos" (kōs), is the founder and main author of Daily Kos, a weblog focusing on liberal, and Democratic Party politics."

btw I've heard that site referred to on air as "Daily Kos" but "Kos" is pronounced like "cause" but it should
really rhyme with "dose", since it's short for "Markos" but whatever. And people can "conveniently leave
out pertinent info" if it damages their point--Hannity did it, and so does Michael Moore.

>>what used to be moderate Republicans in the mountain west are leaving the Republican party because they are more libertarian and secular than what controls the GOP these days

yes--libertarian-leaners and mostly-secular people (like myself; am not all that religious but I do
tolerate Christians, etc.) can throw themselves into the conservative cause if they're conservative on
most issues but may not necessarily be part of the Republican party (I belong to neither party am an
unenrolled, in MA). What does Glenn Beck say, "I'm a conservative but not necessarily a Republican".
Even Hannity has said his conservativism comes before Republicanism...

>>an alcohol-fueled

See "Alcohol" by the Kinks, "Alcohol" by Brad Paisley...

>>He's a moderate.

from what I've heard the two issues he's to the right on are the two issues I'm to the left on
(abortion and gay marriage) oddly enough.
Political stances depend on where you look. To Michael Savage, Hannity might as well be a liberal
I'd guess...to someone far on the left, a moderate would be a far right conservative.

 

[DaleGriffin]

This is the most idiotic thread I have ever seen. DO what these two should have done and "take it outside."