EDISON 12-24 STUDY SHOWS SHARP DECREASES IN TSL AND USAGE

[audiophile.]

I have presets, like everyone else, for AM and FM on my car radio - for example on FM , two presets for classic rock, one for jazz, etc., and on AM one for news/traffic, and the rest for DXing while driving to work at 4:30 in the morning. I just go from station to station, so I fail to see, any advantages to IBOC's side-channels, if they are going to be carrying, more or less (and yes, they will eventually have commercials), the same things.

True, on AM there is "no killer application" for the side channels.

I'd like to address autopaints comment about no interference in NYC.

Frankly I'm tired of the notion that the world revolves around NYC. NYC only contains 2.6% of US population. Look up what a mess NYC did to the allocations in the US with their class "B" 50 kw and mileage proposals. The big NYC broadcasters kept toying with the ERP and HAAT until they covered the New York metro and then forced the rules on everybody else regionwide. Why is there a Class B zone that covers East US only?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_broadcast_station_classes#FM_zones
Notice how it is centered around NYC?

So my point is the NYC non-interference argument is moot because 98% of us don't live in NYC! The rural stations stations will be taking the biggest hit from this technology.

 

[I.B. Iquity]

"Notice how it is centered around NYC?"


And as a life long New Yorker (and I never said that NYC is the only place on earth. You drew that conclusion yourself). I get tired of the pettiness of many of my fellow Americans. They act as though NYC isn't part of the United States. That is of course when our city isn't under terrorist attack. (gee I wonder why the terrorist chose to hit NYC and not Dubuque?) Like it or not NYC is far and away the largest radio market in this country, being a third larger than the L.A. market at number two and we are talking radio not population shifts. There's a reason international missions are located in NYC (The United nations is located here). There’s a reason Wall Street (and most of the countries larger corporations and broadcast headquarters) is located here and not in Montgomery, Alabama. Never once have I or any other New Yorker said that the rest of the country didn’t matter, BUT I can only speak of my experiences in NYC. If I don’t hear any interference here, I will not make something up to please you. If you have interference and can prove it (and by making a recording of the interference and posting the file to something like yousendit.com so that we can all hear what you are talking about), then do so. But to slam NYC for the reasons you've given sounds like you are suffering from small town envy to me.

 

[audiophile.]

Envy? I've been to NYC in 2000. We were given a tour by our friends in Patterson. I never plan on going back.

Frankly IMHO, the traffic is nightmare, parking is impossible and the whole town smells bad. There is an upside: I love the sign that says "$200 fine for honking".

I've stayed in Toronto, ON several times and frankly it makes New York City look like a dive.
-----------------

Opinions aside, engineering standards that work in NYC's urban canyons don't apply in rural enviroments. Remember according to the Census Bureau: 94.6 Percent of U.S. Is Rural Open Space! http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=12402

 

[zumahans]

>"94.6 percent of the U.S. is open space."<

And you can make the same argument that 50 percent of the radio band in Toronto is unassigned static. Equally relevant.

Wow, you took a tour once of NY. It was scary. Woooooooo.

 

[audiophile.]

Take a look at the the new FM's in Toronto. You'll be blown away!

Industry Canada makes sound and logical engineering decisions, unlike the FCC.

 

[zumahans]

I went to Toronto once. It was dark and scary.

And cold.

 

[audiophile.]

NYC was hotter than a firecracker when I was there.

I didn't have any major traffic or parking issues in Toronto either. I went to the CBC, and science centers...

------------------

I don't want to get in fight over this, my point was we should NOT set FCC regs based on NYC properties.

 

[IBOCRocks]

NYC was hotter than a firecracker when I was there.

I didn't have any major traffic or parking issues in Toronto either. I went to the CBC, and science centers...

------------------

I don't want to get in fight over this, my point was we should NOT set FCC regs based on NYC properties.

I agree. There should be samples taken EVERYWHERE. Plus, there needs to be an open mind. There may be other ways to mitigate problems other than simply killing IBOC. Collect as much data as possible, and present it to an independant party for review.

 

[audiophile.]

Ditto!

 

[dbdigital]

Corporate radio dinosaurs think they are in the radio business. They aren't. Thye are in the entertainment business.

Just like the passenger train companies that went broke in the 1950s, they thought they were in the railroad business, they were in the transportation business.

Radio execs just do not get it.

Actually, some radio execs DO get it: ABC and CBS, for example.

Very true. In studying audience numbers media conglomorates have forgotten their audience. The KZLA format flip and consequent anger from listeners is proof of that.

A certain individual who shall remain nameless has boasted that their are now more formats than ever to choose from. But if you've been reading the FCC's report, "Review of the Radio Industry", which covered 1996-1stQ 2003 it clearly shows that, as radio consolidation increased, the number of formats decreased in every market. The study also shows a decline in listeners and radio owners during that period. A correlation, perhaps?

I suppose it could be argued that HD Radio will address the lack of variety problem but according to this study it appears to be a case of too little, too late.

db