I was watching his show on Mega TV and have heard him on the radio in other markets. TERRIBLE show. Don't know how that knucklehead gets ratings. I can see why Piolin could do well. Though he preps like hell he isn't much of a talent either. El Cucuy takes that cake for terrible show.
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Unfortunetly, spanish stations tend to go after the lowest common denominator, and that tends to be people that like crude humor. Hence, El Cucuy getting good numbers, until Piolin took some of his thunder away by doing the same thing. I've never understood why it is, but guys like Humberto Luna never had to resort to this type of humor, cheeky humor yes, but not crude, and he had many years of success in LA. LA radio just seems to have bad morning shows, english and spanish, there are some exceptions, but very few. Just my humble opinion.
Big E said:
Having been PD for all three, I have to disagree. Luna was a master of older-fashioned double entendre, and could be considerably more crude, via the Mexican humor style called the albur, than either Renán or Piolín ever, ever were. Renan long ago stopped basing his show on jokes, which were dramatized and strun-out versions of jokes from Mexican comedy magazines, and specializes in talking and "advising" people on the phone... most of the show involves real-life stories and he has even done an exocisim on the air.
Piolín is maybe best compared with Saturday Night Live or even Mad TV with a lot of elements you could date back to Laugh In, with lots and lots of short segments in every hour... pranks, jokes, listener calls, and, of course, the campaign that collected 1,200,000 signatures on petitions requesting immigrant reform. Obscenity and profanity have never been part of his repertoire.
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You just said it David, it could be, but it takes a bit more intelligence, or knowledge of his style to get the actual joke, than it takes to listen either Piolin or El Cucuy. He was more to the style of Polo Polo (mexican comedian). Not knockin they're style, but its like comparing Dees to Jamie White. I'll let you pick which one is which.
Big E said:
Polo Polo is dirtier than the prewash cycle of a construction workers clothes... totally inappropriate for radio. Ask anyone who has worked with Luna... he was a Polo Polo like jokester in an era when enforcement was not as stringent. In fact, he was only #1 for a few years. When KWKW moved to 1330 in '82 and Ramiro Garza and Edgar Madrigal did the programming, Jaime Piña became #1 in the mornings because his show was more fun and not so terribly dirty. So badly did Piña beat Luna that he was hired by KTNQ in '92 and put on mornings there, moving Luna to mid-days. Piña was #1 in mornings for twice as long as Luna, in fact.
Luna's style is reflected by the kind of listener he has today... mostly over 55. He went out of style with listeners in the early 80's! His syle is hardly intelligent... it was all based on twisting dirty words in an era when jokes about women, gays and such were not rejected by nearly every segment of society.
And, by focusing on just Renán and Piolín, you miss entirely the highly rated shows of KLVE, KRCD and even KSSE that have none of the kind of content you mention as being "lowest common denominator." Your comparison is like sayi8ng all English language mornings shows a few years ago were like Stern and Mark & Brian; that ignores everything from Handel to Seascrest. Sure there are more agressive shows in every market, but there are also shows for other lifestyles and tastes.
Howard Stern was condemned and got pushed to satellite because he wouldn't change or backtrack on his style. The Handel show (even the 5am hour) is a lot different today than before "nipplegate". I think Piolin and El Cucuy may get by with a little more because they're in Spanish and the people who bashed Stern don't understand what they're doing. In any event they can't be that bad or untalented as some here are claiming or they wouldn't be where they are. Humberto Luna was and still is talented but as you say his style goes back to an older time.
I remember as a kid back in Ohio when a Cincinnati DJ, Paul Dixon became a hit on TV with the local housewives. His show began with him coming out and surveying the studio audience with binoculars looking at the women's knees and handing out giant kosher salamis as gifts. That type of humor would be considered antiquated today but was cutting edge in the 50's and 60's. Time marches on!
I remember as a kid back in Ohio when a Cincinnati DJ, Paul Dixon became a hit on TV with the local housewives. His show began with him coming out and surveying the studio audience with binoculars looking at the women's knees and handing out giant kosher salamis as gifts. That type of humor would be considered antiquated today but was cutting edge in the 50's and 60's. Time marches on!
DavidEduardo said:
Smells like ...... URBAN MYTH !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
SuperRadioFan said:
Documented, photographed and verified on Capitol Hill.
DavidEduardo said:
RIII-II-II-GHT.....
Ya got a link?
Were they Internet "signatures"? Did someone actually run over a MILLION names thru a computer to check on 1) duplication of names; 2) verification that these were REAL names of REAL people who actually signed?? Or did he just show a bunch of boxes said to contain letters/etc????
Yeh right
I'll say it again
Smells like URBAN MYTH !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
These populist petition drives are largely symbolic, no one is going to verify the signatures, or even actually count them for that matter. Petitions have no binding legal effect and only influence through the publicity given them.
In any event none of this petition and signature stuff has any relationship to their total abilities as radio performers. Hot button issues get listeners, no matter what the issue or the view of it. If this weren't true John and Ken wouldn't be as popular as they are. El Cucuy and Piolin get listeners because they too are doing something that somebody in significant numbers wants to hear. If and when that goes away so will they.
In any event none of this petition and signature stuff has any relationship to their total abilities as radio performers. Hot button issues get listeners, no matter what the issue or the view of it. If this weren't true John and Ken wouldn't be as popular as they are. El Cucuy and Piolin get listeners because they too are doing something that somebody in significant numbers wants to hear. If and when that goes away so will they.
SuperRadioFan said:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11069278 is the NPR story.
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services/4351592-1.html
Just google "piolin" and "immigration" and you will find over 44 thousand links about this major story, including Piolin's (Eddie Sotelo) meeting with Sen. Kennedy and President Bush.
[/quote] were they Internet "signatures"?[/quote]
None were done on the internet. They were handed in in person, and a random sample was verified, which is a good statistical technique.
The boxes were openend on the steps of the Capitol in Washingont.
Read the 44 thousand articles and reports. This thing made the front page of journals ranging from the LA Times to the NY Times and the WSJ, and was covered on all the network and cable network newscasts or news channels. What do you read for news, The National Enquirer?
Well, any on air talent that makes a mark has to face Father Time, which is inevitable.
Times, styles and audiences change. Even with writers, producers, young sidekicks and careful marketing, the aging process happens.
The challenge for talent is to remain relevant and popular for a long as possible, and move to other formats when that is the path to continued success. Becoming independently wealthy doesn't hurt either as Plan B.
(In the music business, it's interesting that Stevie Wonder's purchase of a Class A radio station many years ago, is probably now the most significant portion of his net worth. He might not sell CDs or make huge money in concert anymore, but he's set for money.)
The entourage of hangers ons, money and trappings of success can twist a talent's mind as well. It can be hard to remain grounded, or at least perform on the air like you are grounded. For some on air talent, the audience wants them to be larger than life, for others it's "just one of us" that works. It's a delicate walk, and hard to maintain for years and years.
I think part of it is knowing when to leave the stage. My view is Ronald Reagan and Johnny Carson did it right.
Times, styles and audiences change. Even with writers, producers, young sidekicks and careful marketing, the aging process happens.
The challenge for talent is to remain relevant and popular for a long as possible, and move to other formats when that is the path to continued success. Becoming independently wealthy doesn't hurt either as Plan B.
(In the music business, it's interesting that Stevie Wonder's purchase of a Class A radio station many years ago, is probably now the most significant portion of his net worth. He might not sell CDs or make huge money in concert anymore, but he's set for money.)
The entourage of hangers ons, money and trappings of success can twist a talent's mind as well. It can be hard to remain grounded, or at least perform on the air like you are grounded. For some on air talent, the audience wants them to be larger than life, for others it's "just one of us" that works. It's a delicate walk, and hard to maintain for years and years.
I think part of it is knowing when to leave the stage. My view is Ronald Reagan and Johnny Carson did it right.
DavidEduardo said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh my David, I didn't think you were this naive!!!!
Your two "links" prove absolutely NOTHING!
Great PR move .... All the boxes were opened?? All the letters were examined?? WOW
Great publicity stunt by Piolin. Senator Kennedy?? Whoooopeeee Pesident Bush? Harhar har har
You want me to read FORTY-FOUR THOUSAND articles?? Yeh right I've got nothing better to do with my time than to do that just because you disagree with my premise that it's just another ... URBAN MYTH !!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
SuperRadioFan said:
Starting from the premise that Piolin has over 4 million in weekly cume, and that group is vitally interested in immigration issues, the 1.2 million number is actually not particularly high... the fact that signed petitions had to identify the person by name and address and bear a certification obviously restricted those who would participate.
At one point, we had over 100 fax lines running, and collection centers in 25 markets, plus daily van stops with petion signing at 6 to 10 locations per market.
A statistical sample of the forms verified the percentage that might be incompletely filled in. And boxes were opened at random on Capitol Hill and found to contain signed petitions, not blank pages.
No irregularities were mentioned, although the ever-rabid John & Ken on KFI tried to disprove this... and could not!
There are 45 million Hispanics in the US. Most of them are concerned about immigration; 1.2 million petitions is just a small amount considering how many concened citizens and legal residents there are in that group.
I'm happy if you're happy, David. Come to think of it, I don't need you to be happy for me to be happy!!DavidEduardo said:
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