EMF moving a Translator/Booster

[bkress]

Hot off the FCC site EMF has filed a "minor change" to move there 105.9 Translator
for KCAI (AirOne) to 95.1 and increase power, Same transmitter location the Bee tower
downtown but using a directional signal aimed north.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101547651&formid=349&fac_num=84777

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1547651

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/K290AI-FX

 

[stewie]

Hot off the FCC site EMF has filed a "minor change" to move there 105.9 Translator
for KCAI (AirOne) to 95.1 and increase power, Same transmitter location the Bee tower
downtown but using a directional signal aimed north.

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101547651&formid=349&fac_num=84777

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1547651

http://www.radio-locator.com/info/K290AI-FX

I wonder how this can help them, 95.1 is a poor signal. Even with a directional antenna pointed north, you still have a lot of noise by co-channel KMXI. You still have noise from KHOP to the south too. KCAI seems to do very well in downtown and to the north.

 

[audiophantom]

Since EMF operates as a 501(c)3 not-for-profit ministry and their stations are non-comms, its all about potential reach and not about actual cume. The more people their stations reach the more they can ask for and secure in way of underwriting. So it's more about potential market reach then actual listeners.

 

[bkress]

The Fcc approved this on July 15, 2013

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1547651

lets see how long it takes to completion or until the next modification

 

[DaveBayArea]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

 

[stewie]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

Excellent point Dave,

Based on it being a 250 translator, is it safe to assume it will re-broadcast an HD-2 from 89.7? I'm assuming the parent station remains KCAI-FM?

Curious why they've elected to do this? KCAI puts a pretty good market grade signal into Sacramento. The addition of K296GB (KQJK) makes a lot of sense if that remains Air1.

 

[stewie]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

Excellent point Dave,

Based on it being a 250 translator, it's it safe to assume it will re-broadcast an HD-2 from 89.7? I'm assuming the parent station remains KCAI-FM?

Curious why they've elected to do this? KCAI puts a pretty good market grade signal into Sacramento. The addition of K296GB (KQJK) makes a lot of sense if that remains Air1.

In addition to previous posts, I noticed a change coming to
K256AG (currently silent on 99.1). Parent station station changes to KLVB (99.5), frequency changes to 98.9, 250w.

With all these "super translators", it will be interesting to see what stations ends up on what.

 

[Big D]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

Excellent point Dave,

Based on it being a 250 translator, it's it safe to assume it will re-broadcast an HD-2 from 89.7? I'm assuming the parent station remains KCAI-FM?

Curious why they've elected to do this? KCAI puts a pretty good market grade signal into Sacramento. The addition of K296GB (KQJK) makes a lot of sense if that remains Air1.

In addition to previous posts, I noticed a change coming to
K256AG (currently silent on 99.1). Parent station station changes to KLVB (99.5), frequency changes to 98.9, 250w.

With all these "super translators", it will be interesting to see what stations ends up on what.

Moving the frequency to 98.9 must be due to 99.1 KARA off the Buttes. Still, I'm surprised they can broadcast 250 watts on a 2nd adjacent channel to 98.5 at that close proximity.

Wayyyy too many translators from EMF here!! Currently I can pick up 89.7, 99.1, 99.5, and 107.3 fine from my house. Thats 2 frequencies for each station!! Ridiculous.

 

[stewie]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

Excellent point Dave,

Based on it being a 250 translator, it's it safe to assume it will re-broadcast an HD-2 from 89.7? I'm assuming the parent station remains KCAI-FM?

Curious why they've elected to do this? KCAI puts a pretty good market grade signal into Sacramento. The addition of K296GB (KQJK) makes a lot of sense if that remains Air1.

In addition to previous posts, I noticed a change coming to
K256AG (currently silent on 99.1). Parent station station changes to KLVB (99.5), frequency changes to 98.9, 250w.

With all these "super translators", it will be interesting to see what stations ends up on what.

Moving the frequency to 98.9 must be due to 99.1 KARA off the Buttes. Still, I'm surprised they can broadcast 250 watts on a 2nd adjacent channel to 98.5 at that close proximity.

Wayyyy too many translators from EMF here!! Currently I can pick up 89.7, 99.1, 99.5, and 107.3 fine from my house. Thats 2 frequencies for each station!! Ridiculous.

107.1 will be an excellent fill in for Air1 and maybe even 95.1 pointed north but I'm confused what they want to do with 98.9. They have a Class A K-LOVE signal on 99.5 (not much need of a translator on that signal) and two reach in's (one from the north KARA and one from the south KCAI) for Air1. It does seem like A LOT of fill in for Air1.

 

[stewie]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

Excellent point Dave,

Based on it being a 250 translator, it's it safe to assume it will re-broadcast an HD-2 from 89.7? I'm assuming the parent station remains KCAI-FM?

Curious why they've elected to do this? KCAI puts a pretty good market grade signal into Sacramento. The addition of K296GB (KQJK) makes a lot of sense if that remains Air1.

In addition to previous posts, I noticed a change coming to
K256AG (currently silent on 99.1). Parent station station changes to KLVB (99.5), frequency changes to 98.9, 250w.

With all these "super translators", it will be interesting to see what stations ends up on what.

Moving the frequency to 98.9 must be due to 99.1 KARA off the Buttes.

It most certainly is.

That translator created a terrible crash zone when on the air. That's why it's been dark for so long.

 

[DaveBayArea]

Moving the frequency to 98.9 must be due to 99.1 KARA off the Buttes. Still, I'm surprised they can broadcast 250 watts on a 2nd adjacent channel to 98.5 at that close proximity.

That's actually rather easy. It's because 98.5 is 50,000 watts vs 250 for 98.9. Since both are essentially transmitting from the same location the ratio of desired-to-undesired signal always favors 98.5. On paper the translator would be wiped out due to interference. In practice that only occurs on radios branded "Electrophonic" and equipped with an 8-track player.

Dave B.

 

[Michael Rivers Kramer]

This could be trouble for the LPFM in Georgetown - KFOK-LP on 95.1. They have very low power (something like 1.2 watts) from a high site, and the only reason they cover the divide well is that there's minimal interference. It doesn't look like there's a lot of directionality in this app, so I suspect 250 watts on the valley floor will play havoc with mountain listeners that have line-of-sight to Sacramento.

Dave B.

I can't resist...that would be "FOKed" up!