• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

EMF question....

Thanks for all the interesting info., and answers to my questions. I hadn't noticed that EMF had temporarily set the 102.9 translator to rebroadcast WQME, as I usually use recnet.com for my lookups, because IMO it is a much better interface than FCC CDBS. Recnet, however, only updates their database weekly I think. I understand why, but of course it means changes can take longer to show up.

Also, looking at the three stations for Air1 in Idaho, one of them even has a translator, so there are 4 frequencies. My guess is that perhaps there is some sort of rocky/rough terrain issue that makes FM reception difficult?

I guess it remains to be seen what format EMF will choose for their new stations. And my guess is that once WWMU is on the air, EMF may be hoping that the law is changed to allow satellation outside of the reserved band, so that they can put a different network on the translator rather than paralleling WWMU, or perhaps, they could sell it to Horizon Christian Fellowship / CSN / whatever they are this month, who seems to be attempting to build a rather large network. Another buyer might be the Jesus First Network / WJCF, but that would be too much of a competitor to EMF, I would think, since WJCF is also a Christian AC format.
 
In response to Chief Engineer, I have never heard them threaten to shut off radio stations. I'm not saying that hasn't happened, but I haven't heard it. I've heard them talk about fully funding your local K-Love station.

You mentioned that it was okay to ask for support.

Of course, it's okay. They're a non-comm. Without financial support, they would go under.

You seem fixated on this surplus. Here's a reason to have a surplus.
-Acquisitions (which I have no problem with)
-Equipment upgrades/replacing bad equipment

40 million seems like a lot, but when you factor in 200+ radio stations, it doesn't seem that bad. That comes out to something like $200,000 a station (rough estimate). I'm sure you've seen what some of the equipment costs? It's ridiculous.
 
I see today the FCC announced call sign changes reserved for pending applications. All the new EMF stations from AFR have requested new calls. The Muncie station is requesting WKMV which will be K-Love then.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-271197A1.pdf

Both Indiana stations will be K-Love also. Air1 does get a few new stations although most are K-Love. I do not really feel like typing them so anyone can view the list.

I am guessing EMF holds onto some of those translators that do not seem needed so they can either sell them or get both K-Love and Air1 in a market if an opportunity comes.

The Boise situation is interesting. I am guessing they have 3 full power FM's there that are air1 because they decided not to compete with KTSY at this time. I wonder if they will in the future make one K-Love or sell them. The translator in Boise is because of terrain interference.

Denver also has 2 K-Love's and no air1's.
 
Denver does have WAY-FM, which while not as hot musically as the Michigan WAY-FM (no relation), tends to be a bit hotter than the Southeastern WAY-FM affiliates. That probably has something to do with why there is no Air1 in Denver.
 
In looking at the FCC docs it looks like EMF's new station in Dyersburg, TN will have the call letters WZKV, so apparently it will be K-LOVE. That means if anyhthing in their West TN stations goes to Air 1 it will be from the already existing stations in Ripley, Union City, or both. This makes me wonder if the translators that WKVZ in Ripley has in Jackson and Brownsville will go with Air 1 if it does. I don't see where the new station in Dyersburg will need them because 90.7 has a 100,000 watt signal that covers most of West TN.

Also, the CP EMF has for Brownsville will have the call letters WRRI, so that means it will probably be Air 1, although the signal will be a lot weaker.

Thanks for the info Brian! ;D
 
Thanks for all the great info! Sorry I got it wrong on the Muncie translator. I posted that at the end of a long day, and I just wasn't paying much attention.

Anyway, I do agree that WGNR really doesn't need another translator. They are simulcasting on WIWC and WHPL as it is.

And I must say it is somewhat disappointing that EMF has chosen to offer K-Love on all their new Indiana affiliates. Granted, K-Love is a bit hotter than WFRN, but that really isn't saying much.
 
I wonder....
Do these non-comm stations actually get reported in the Arbitrons even though the ones made public do not include them? What about LPFM's?

If a K-Love did not work, say in the QC, would they switch to Air 1? Have any of their stations done that yet?

Since they are non-comm, do they just look at what kind of donations they are getting from the different areas they broadcast? Or do they just hope and pray people are listening? Do they look at the ratings in a market and see, maybe, if no one is listening they decide to change? Or maybe that if a lot of people listen but they don't donate? Why would EMF even care about their ratings if they are non-comm?
 
It sounds like to me you just want the K-Love to fail in the Quad Cities and go back to a secular format or at least air1 is your main aim in asking. There have been a few times EMF will switch from K-Love to Air1 and I mentioned a few but it does not happen often. But Air1 is already in the Quad Cities with a rim shot signal from the Burlington, IA area at 88.9 KAIP and have a translator at 97.7 in Clinton, IA. From the Peoria, IL area where I have family I can sometimes get a weak signal from both stations depending where I am. I am very glad they are both there and like them better than what is in Peoria or Springfield, IL. For myself I like listening to Air1 online but do not listen to K-Love online.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KAIP&service=FM&status=L&hours=U

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=K249DO&service=FX&status=L&hours=U

When K-Love or Air1 has their pledge drives you can type in the area code and see how they are doing. Air1's start next week and K-Love will be the following week I think. I am sure the more that listen the more that support. Ultimately it has to be support that is most important of course. But if it gets good rating then it could be a sign the support will come. I have looked it up before and the last 2 pledge drives the K-Love in the Quad was 87 funded a year ago and 45 in the fall. I am sure it is not going anywhere and they are committed to it for the long term. So you are wasting your time hoping they will go under.

About Arbitron posting non-commercials stations rating and others serves see here. http://www.arbitron.com/Radio_Stations/bm_addlradio.asp

http://www.rrconline.org/
 
I did not see them listed for some unknown reason the ratings link. But it takes a few years to build and audience and they know that. They are not going any where.
 
EnergyDeKalb2 said:
I wonder....
Do these non-comm stations actually get reported in the Arbitrons even though the ones made public do not include them? What about LPFM's?
Click to expand...
Of course.

If a K-Love did not work, say in the QC,...
Click to expand...
You're not getting the station back. There are no money issues, whatsoever. EMF is taking in two-to-three times what they actually need to keep stations on the air. They've been making so much money the last few years that they've been buying stations left and right and inventing other expenses to try to continue to look nonprofit. By my estimation, if all dollars stopped today, they could still be on the air on all stations three years from now.

Since they are non-comm, do they just look at what kind of donations they are getting from the different areas they broadcast? Or do they just hope and pray people are listening? Do they look at the ratings in a market and see, maybe, if no one is listening they decide to change? Or maybe that if a lot of people listen but they don't donate? Why would EMF even care about their ratings if they are non-comm?
Click to expand...
EMF has numbers on every aspect of everything. There is little-to-nothing that is not known or not cared about.
 
If you base it on the suggested pledge, it only takes 730 people to support a local Air1 or K-Love station; obviously, the suggested pledge is based on a network average, and I'm sure EMF takes rimshots and weaker signals into account when making decisions. There are some decent size markets where K-Love is definitely not on a rimshot (Lexington, KY for example).
 
Something I've wondered with that average is would that be for each city, or each individual station? Memphis has 2 K-LOVE stations on FM to cover the entire area (not counting their AM station that they only have because of the deal they had to make to get one of the FM stations), so would there need to be 730 supporters for each station?
 
Of course I would like to see 989 go back to being a secular FM. I think it is absolutely terrible that we have two companies that own all of the stations in the area that are secular. No creativity in radio anymore whatsoever. Of course this is industry wide. We now have a large signal right in the middle of the radio dial that will forever be a non-comm. What a waste.
 
EnergyDeKalb2 said:
We now have a large signal right in the middle of the radio dial that will forever be a non-comm. What a waste.
Click to expand...
How many of the stations would it have to beat for you not to consider it "a waste?"

(Cause it will do better than you probably think, you know....)
 
EnergyDeKalb2 said:
Of course I would like to see 989 go back to being a secular FM. I think it is absolutely terrible that we have two companies that own all of the stations in the area that are secular.
Click to expand...

So move somewhere else. Or get satellite.

No creativity in radio anymore whatsoever.
Click to expand...

If you hate it so much then why are you on a radio message board? Why are you taking the time to post messages? I don't get all of the whiners here. If you don't like something move along. Or try to make the industry better. Complaining here with your tired "radio sucks" talking points isn't going to get the job done.

Of course this is industry wide. We now have a large signal right in the middle of the radio dial that will forever be a non-comm. What a waste.
Click to expand...

So what they don't play commercials. K-Love only sounds like a "non-comm" during their pledge drives, the other 50 weeks of the year the presentation is as commercial as any other station. Just because you don't like a particular station (or format) doesn't make the signal a "waste". Get over yourself.
 
WZKV 90.7 In Dyersburg, TN, which had been WKNQ, switched to K-LOVE yesterday. They give their ID as being "90.7 WZKV Dyersburg/Ripley, also in Jackson on 106.3." That sounds like there may be plans to put Air 1 on 94.9 in Ripley, but that the translator in Jackson will probably stay with K-LOVE. The question now is if or when EMF will change WKVZ and possibly WUKV 88.9 in Union City to Air 1.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom