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Engineering Question

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Dirty_Harry

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What is the difference between horizontal power (ERP) and vertical power. I've noticed lots of FM stations have one ERP assigned for horizontal power and one for vertical power.

Example: WNCI is 175,000 watts horizontal and 105,000 watts vertical ERP; WZKL in Alliance is 50,000 Watts horizontal and 49,700 Watts vertical (why bother with that distinction. Most FM's seem to have the same wattage vertical and horizontal.

I'm curious why they do this and how does it work in terms of getting the signal out.
 
Horizontal polarization is for transmitting to HOME radios with a built
in (horizontal) antenna, and vertical polarization is for transmitting to cars with the "stick" like (vertical) antennas.

Some old stations may have a seperate transmitter for each. Most fm transmitter antennas have "circular" polarization
 
I'm amazed at the people who do NOT take advantage of GOOGLE. There are over 120,000 articles about "polarization, like this one.
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From IBE Systems, E Norwich NY;
The question of the optimum choice of polarization for FM has historically been troublesome and confusing. The original plans for FM broadcasts in the U.S., made prior to World War II, called for horizontal polarization. Shortly after WWII, it was recognized that horizontal polarization was not suitable for mobile, omnidirectional reception of FM broadcasts in automobiles. This is due to the fact that the ‘whip’ antenna, used for the omnidirectional reception of AM and FM broadcasts in automobiles, is primarily a vertically polarized antenna and has a weak response to a horizontally polarized signal, (see Fig. 1). Mounting a separate omnidirectional horizontally polarized antenna on automobiles for FM reception is not a practical option. A similar condition exists for portable FM receivers having telescoping ‘whip’ antennas. In 1946 in order to overcome the deficiencies of horizontal polarization, the FCC authorized the use of ..... supplemental vertically polarized effective radiated power..." [Ref. 3]. In practice, this has come to mean "circular" or "dual" polarization in which presumably equal amounts of horizontally and vertically polarized energy are radiated. From an engineering rationale, the polarization used for transmission should be chosen so as to best match the polarization of the receive antennas used for car and home stereos. One may therefore ask " How many car or home FM receivers have a circularly polarized receive antenna? ". The answer is – zero to none. If one asks " How many have a horizontally polarized receive antenna ? "; the answer is - a tiny percentage. If one asks " How many have a vertically polarized receive antenna? "; the answer is - most cars, the bulk of today’s market, have a vertical whip receive antenna. Most home FM receivers have a wire hanging out the back. The conclusion to be drawn from this is that: for optimum match between the polarization of transmitted and received signals in order to provide optimum area coverage, vertical polarization is best.

This conclusion is supported by the highly successful results achieved in practice using vertical polarization. These results showed increases in signal levels that exceeded 5 dB as compared to the levels with equivalent CP antennas in both urban and rural areas. Besides increased signal levels, there are other important advantages to be gained by the use of vertical polarization: a) a vertical dipole has a null in the tower base direction, thereby minimizing radiation hazard in accordance with OSHA regulations. Also RF interference to nearby studio equipment and telephone lines is minimized, b) vertical polarization provides an extra 10-20 dB interference rejection between Low VHF (Channel 6) and FM, and c) interference by power lines and telephone lines is reduced. 2.3 Broadband Operation: The FM band is 88 to 108 MHz, and the FM channel width is 200 KHz. It is desirable that the FM transmitter antenna have multi-channel, broadband impedance performance (i.e. low SWR) in order to minimize frequency sensitive performance degradation and to allow multiplexed operation. Ideally, the antenna should cover the entire 88-108 MHz band.
 
Back in "the day" nearly all FM was received on home receivers with fixed outside horizontal antennas. These were normally just TV antennas which are horizontally polarized. With the advent of decent FM radios for automobiles, vertical polarization became more important because of their vertically polarized whip antennas as mentioned by a previous poster. I think it was about this time that manufacturers of transmitting antennas started building dual-polarity antennas as the FCC authorized both polarities for broadcast. Circular polarization is an attempt to supply both horizontal and vertical receiving antennas with a good quality signal. This also may tend to reduce multipath flutter on mobile FM receivers. On many of the antennas I have seen, they achieve pseudo-circular polarization by utilizing both horizontal and vertical elements on the transmitting antenna and feeding one set slightly out of phase with the other set.
 
Thank you, but you only answered part of my question. That means WNCI is sending about 105,000 watts to my car and 175,000 into my house, at about 550 feet. Why is it not 175,000 watts for both ...... or in that other example, why power down 300 watts for vertical polarization?

The second question is this. If my memory serves correctly, circularly-polarized TV transmitters started coming out in the late 1970's. I remember it was a big deal when Ch. 10 and then later Channel 6 went to circularly-polarized transmitters. I remember reading articles that said circularly polarized transmitters provided better pictures ... which is certainly the case with Channel 6 as compared to their previous transmitter.
 
You asked; Why is it not 175,000 watts for both ...... or in that other example, why power down 300 watts for vertical polarization?

Well, maybe there are 2 different transmitters one for vert, one for horis, and one is less power than the other, or 2 different antennas that may result in different "antenna gain" to result in different power.

Back in "the day" vertical polarization was "less important" so that may have affected this difference.

Note, you gave some background, but never asked anything when you said, "The second question is this."

I would strongly suggest you contact the chief engineer of the stations who can give you exactly what you need. Also, don't forget Google.
 
I know some Non Coms down near Channel 6's Audio carrier can only run Vertical to help remove possible interference with Channel 6.
 
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