Several notable but unemployed LA area announcers have been approached by Entravision to form part of the airstaff of a new "José" station in LA, apparently to be done on the twin 103.1 frequencies very soon.
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Entravision planning a flip.
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Kyle_Hojem
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> Several notable but unemployed LA area announcers have been
> approached by Entravision to form part of the airstaff of a
> new "José" station in LA, apparently to be done on the twin
> 103.1 frequencies very soon.
>
I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered or have Entravision sell the stations.
Everything comes around again as they say.....<P ID="signature">______________
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> approached by Entravision to form part of the airstaff of a
> new "José" station in LA, apparently to be done on the twin
> 103.1 frequencies very soon.
>
I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered or have Entravision sell the stations.
Everything comes around again as they say.....<P ID="signature">______________
Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
>
> I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be
> the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered or
> have Entravision sell the stations.
That would be my opinion. However, the cost of operastion is low (they are talking to unemployed ex-KLVE and KRCD people who can't demand much). If they are indeed losing money on Indie, this would at least reduce the impact for a while.
> Everything comes around again as they say.....
Hey, look at Styles... down to around a two share in the IE, and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
> I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be
> the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered or
> have Entravision sell the stations.
That would be my opinion. However, the cost of operastion is low (they are talking to unemployed ex-KLVE and KRCD people who can't demand much). If they are indeed losing money on Indie, this would at least reduce the impact for a while.
> Everything comes around again as they say.....
Hey, look at Styles... down to around a two share in the IE, and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
> >
> > I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be
>
> > the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered
> or
> > have Entravision sell the stations.
>
> That would be my opinion. However, the cost of operastion is
> low (they are talking to unemployed ex-KLVE and KRCD people
> who can't demand much). If they are indeed losing money on
> Indie, this would at least reduce the impact for a while.
>
> > Everything comes around again as they say.....
>
> Hey, look at Styles... down to around a two share in the IE,
> and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
>
How does that come around again? I don't get your point - or what it meant...
> > I thought we had just talked that the 103.1's would not be
>
> > the place for spanish to return, but instead run brokered
> or
> > have Entravision sell the stations.
>
> That would be my opinion. However, the cost of operastion is
> low (they are talking to unemployed ex-KLVE and KRCD people
> who can't demand much). If they are indeed losing money on
> Indie, this would at least reduce the impact for a while.
>
> > Everything comes around again as they say.....
>
> Hey, look at Styles... down to around a two share in the IE,
> and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
>
How does that come around again? I don't get your point - or what it meant...
> > Hey, look at Styles... down to around a two share in the
> IE,
> > and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
> >
> How does that come around again? I don't get your point -
> or what it meant...
Both fit in the Department of Dumb Moves... in the most recent one, putting Spanish again on 103.1 when it has been seen that this is not very effective.
Styles is just the absurdity of paying what they paid for really inferior facilities where any programming gains would be blocked by the bigger signals with minor tweeks.
> IE,
> > and KDAY is essentially invisible in LA.
> >
> How does that come around again? I don't get your point -
> or what it meant...
Both fit in the Department of Dumb Moves... in the most recent one, putting Spanish again on 103.1 when it has been seen that this is not very effective.
Styles is just the absurdity of paying what they paid for really inferior facilities where any programming gains would be blocked by the bigger signals with minor tweeks.
K
KMRichards
Guest
> Several notable but unemployed LA area announcers have been
> approached by Entravision to form part of the airstaff of a
> new "José" station in LA, apparently to be done on the twin
> 103.1 frequencies very soon.
Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at me how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later, Entravision would do something else, concede that I was right?
If I offer to host the wake for Indie (remember, I have said that it wasn't that I disliked the format, only that it wasn't on the signals it belonged on or owned by a company that understood it), will anyone show up?
That said, if KROQ is smart they'll pick up "Jonesy's Jukebox" and replace the now-tired "Flashback Lunch" with it.<P ID="signature">______________
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> approached by Entravision to form part of the airstaff of a
> new "José" station in LA, apparently to be done on the twin
> 103.1 frequencies very soon.
Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at me how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later, Entravision would do something else, concede that I was right?
If I offer to host the wake for Indie (remember, I have said that it wasn't that I disliked the format, only that it wasn't on the signals it belonged on or owned by a company that understood it), will anyone show up?
That said, if KROQ is smart they'll pick up "Jonesy's Jukebox" and replace the now-tired "Flashback Lunch" with it.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: Entravision Uncertain.
>
> Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie
> will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at me
> how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later, Entravision
> would do something else, concede that I was right?
Of course, now I hear that Entravision is so enamored of thew Jose concept they may leave Indie alone for the moment due to the signal issue, and put Jose on 97.5 from the IE.
>
> Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie
> will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at me
> how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later, Entravision
> would do something else, concede that I was right?
Of course, now I hear that Entravision is so enamored of thew Jose concept they may leave Indie alone for the moment due to the signal issue, and put Jose on 97.5 from the IE.
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miamimadman
Guest
Flip
> Everything comes around again as they say.....
> How does that come around again? I don't get your point - or what it meant...
It meant "What goes around comes around", or "What comes around goes around"!
> Everything comes around again as they say.....
> How does that come around again? I don't get your point - or what it meant...
It meant "What goes around comes around", or "What comes around goes around"!
Was Spanish that big of a mistake on 103.1? Remember they were competing with Viva with the same format and both had about the same ratings, splitting the audience in half. >
> Both fit in the Department of Dumb Moves... in the most
> recent one, putting Spanish again on 103.1 when it has been
> seen that this is not very effective.
>
> Styles is just the absurdity of paying what they paid for
> really inferior facilities where any programming gains would
> be blocked by the bigger signals with minor tweeks.
>
> Both fit in the Department of Dumb Moves... in the most
> recent one, putting Spanish again on 103.1 when it has been
> seen that this is not very effective.
>
> Styles is just the absurdity of paying what they paid for
> really inferior facilities where any programming gains would
> be blocked by the bigger signals with minor tweeks.
>
Re: Entravision Uncertain.
> >
> > Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie
> > will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at
> me
> > how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later,
> Entravision
> > would do something else, concede that I was right?
>
> Of course, now I hear that Entravision is so enamored of
> thew Jose concept they may leave Indie alone for the moment
> due to the signal issue, and put Jose on 97.5 from the IE.
>
I would assume "Recuerdo" could be most affected - especially in the San Gabriel Valley...
> >
> > Will this also finally bring to an end all of the "Indie
> > will survive forever" posts? Will those who screamed at
> me
> > how wrong I was in saying that, sooner or later,
> Entravision
> > would do something else, concede that I was right?
>
> Of course, now I hear that Entravision is so enamored of
> thew Jose concept they may leave Indie alone for the moment
> due to the signal issue, and put Jose on 97.5 from the IE.
>
I would assume "Recuerdo" could be most affected - especially in the San Gabriel Valley...
Re: Entravision Uncertain.
> I would assume "Recuerdo" could be most affected -
> especially in the San Gabriel Valley...
>
Not really the same format. Jose plays lots of currents, and covers kinds of music that recuerdo does not play. That said, they are probably the closest matches musically.
However, Recuerdo is a personality station, with jocks who perviously worked in regional Mexican formats, while Jose in other markets is like Jack... no annuncers, no personality. If they hire the people they have approached, the presentation would be liner card and more like KLVE, as the jocks they are after are not personalities.
> I would assume "Recuerdo" could be most affected -
> especially in the San Gabriel Valley...
>
Not really the same format. Jose plays lots of currents, and covers kinds of music that recuerdo does not play. That said, they are probably the closest matches musically.
However, Recuerdo is a personality station, with jocks who perviously worked in regional Mexican formats, while Jose in other markets is like Jack... no annuncers, no personality. If they hire the people they have approached, the presentation would be liner card and more like KLVE, as the jocks they are after are not personalities.
> Was Spanish that big of a mistake on 103.1? Remember they
> were competing with Viva with the same format and both had
> about the same ratings, splitting the audience in half.
Actually, nearly none of the Superestrella audience was on 103.1, but on 97.5.
> were competing with Viva with the same format and both had
> about the same ratings, splitting the audience in half.
Actually, nearly none of the Superestrella audience was on 103.1, but on 97.5.
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
Bottom line.
Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just that. He had no information because there is none. Those of us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to do with Indie.
I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger. Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside, your choice.
I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly what is coming.
Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A. plans this week from an ex employee of Univision. I thought he knows everything for sure. No? Mr. Richards. You sure got his back on this one right out of the box without question, is that what moderators do? Why not question him like you do everyone else?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by creativegenius on 11/17/05 01:53 AM.</FONT></P>
Bottom line.
Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just that. He had no information because there is none. Those of us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to do with Indie.
I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger. Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside, your choice.
I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly what is coming.
Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A. plans this week from an ex employee of Univision. I thought he knows everything for sure. No? Mr. Richards. You sure got his back on this one right out of the box without question, is that what moderators do? Why not question him like you do everyone else?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by creativegenius on 11/17/05 01:53 AM.</FONT></P>
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KMRichards
Guest
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
> Bottom line.
>
> Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just
> that. He had no information because there is none. Those of
> us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to
> do with Indie.
Entravision is proving to be more and more unpredictable lately. I don't bet on anything happening (or not happening) there until it does or doesn't actually happen.
If Indie can hold on, great. But I still wouldn't take bets, given that unpredicability of their owners.
And ... Entravision has shown a tendency to flip their English language stations in any market they have them before touching their Spanish language ones.
> I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They
> are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it
> to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger.
> Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie
> will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here
> who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside,
> your choice.
Whatever deal this is you are speculating about had better have a way to put Indie on a bigger stick, or there will still be uncertainty about its future.
> I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly
> what is coming.
I will believe that when I have some idea of how you would hear about such a deal.
> Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing
> new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A.
> plans this week from an ex employee of Univision. I thought
> he knows everything for sure. No? Mr. Richards. You sure
> got his back on this one right out of the box without
> question, is that what moderators do? Why not question him
> like you do everyone else?
Because I know David outside of this board, and know what kind of connections he has within the world of Spanish language media. His contacts are more reliable than an unsubstantiated "believe those here on the inside" without any kind of proof of connections.
Of course David knew about "Jose". We've discussed it before. What we did not know was when Entravision might try to launch it here. That is what is new.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Bottom line.
>
> Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just
> that. He had no information because there is none. Those of
> us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to
> do with Indie.
Entravision is proving to be more and more unpredictable lately. I don't bet on anything happening (or not happening) there until it does or doesn't actually happen.
If Indie can hold on, great. But I still wouldn't take bets, given that unpredicability of their owners.
And ... Entravision has shown a tendency to flip their English language stations in any market they have them before touching their Spanish language ones.
> I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They
> are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it
> to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger.
> Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie
> will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here
> who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside,
> your choice.
Whatever deal this is you are speculating about had better have a way to put Indie on a bigger stick, or there will still be uncertainty about its future.
> I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly
> what is coming.
I will believe that when I have some idea of how you would hear about such a deal.
> Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing
> new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A.
> plans this week from an ex employee of Univision. I thought
> he knows everything for sure. No? Mr. Richards. You sure
> got his back on this one right out of the box without
> question, is that what moderators do? Why not question him
> like you do everyone else?
Because I know David outside of this board, and know what kind of connections he has within the world of Spanish language media. His contacts are more reliable than an unsubstantiated "believe those here on the inside" without any kind of proof of connections.
Of course David knew about "Jose". We've discussed it before. What we did not know was when Entravision might try to launch it here. That is what is new.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
I
Indielover
Guest
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for another time...a time that may never come. They have proven once and for all they have NO creibility.
Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for another time...a time that may never come. They have proven once and for all they have NO creibility.
K
KMRichards
Guest
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
> Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for
> another time...a time that may never come. They have proven
> once and for all they have NO creibility.
Over the long term, and across multiple boards and topics, history proves that you are wrong. <P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for
> another time...a time that may never come. They have proven
> once and for all they have NO creibility.
Over the long term, and across multiple boards and topics, history proves that you are wrong. <P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
> > Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for
> > another time...a time that may never come. They have
> proven
> > once and for all they have NO creibility.
>
> Over the long term, and across multiple boards and topics,
> history proves that you are wrong.
>
Plus he can't spell credibility.
I would guess that he has several other SNs based on his 6 posts spread out on several boards and time :>)
Looks like Indie might see the New Year yet, but I agree with you that Jonesy should find a home on KROQ or even be syndicated to other stations like 94.9 in SD.
> > Eduardo and Richards will have to save their gloating for
> > another time...a time that may never come. They have
> proven
> > once and for all they have NO creibility.
>
> Over the long term, and across multiple boards and topics,
> history proves that you are wrong.
>
Plus he can't spell credibility.
I would guess that he has several other SNs based on his 6 posts spread out on several boards and time :>)
Looks like Indie might see the New Year yet, but I agree with you that Jonesy should find a home on KROQ or even be syndicated to other stations like 94.9 in SD.
K
KMRichards
Guest
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
> Looks like Indie might see the New Year yet, but I agree
> with you that Jonesy should find a home on KROQ or even be
> syndicated to other stations like 94.9 in SD.
Thanks for agreeing with one of the positive things I said instead of concentrating on negatives.
I meant what I said about Jones. I also meant what I have said many times about Indie deserving a better signal.
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Looks like Indie might see the New Year yet, but I agree
> with you that Jonesy should find a home on KROQ or even be
> syndicated to other stations like 94.9 in SD.
Thanks for agreeing with one of the positive things I said instead of concentrating on negatives.
I meant what I said about Jones. I also meant what I have said many times about Indie deserving a better signal.
<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: Entravision is not planning a flip on 1031
> Bottom line.
>
> Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just
> that. He had no information because there is none. Those of
> us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to
> do with Indie.
I know exactly who is being hired, and the only issue is if they use 97.5 plus the 103.1 frequencies, or one or the other.
>
> I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They
> are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it
> to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger.
There is no merger. Entravision has sold stations recently. Big stations.
> Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie
> will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here
> who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside,
> your choice.
Indie is off over 40% since the first half of 2005 in ratings. There is no growth and no possibility of growth. It is maxed out due to signal, format and population. It will hover below a one share until they realize that less than a point will not give a return on an $85 million investment.
>
> I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly
> what is coming.
>
> Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing
> new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A.
> plans this week from an ex employee of Univision.
I have heard about it from many current and ex employees of several companies.
José has been on the air for 8 weeks. Everyone knows about it, including listeners in many markets...
> Bottom line.
>
> Indie is not going anywhere, Eduardo's speculation is just
> that. He had no information because there is none. Those of
> us who know Entravision know what is up and has nothing to
> do with Indie.
I know exactly who is being hired, and the only issue is if they use 97.5 plus the 103.1 frequencies, or one or the other.
>
> I have mentioned before, Indie is not going anywhere. They
> are happy with it's position in the market and hope for it
> to get better when a deal will be announced about a merger.
There is no merger. Entravision has sold stations recently. Big stations.
> Until then it will stay put, after the deal is done, Indie
> will have the chance for solid growth. Believe those here
> who are outside the box, or believe those are on the inside,
> your choice.
Indie is off over 40% since the first half of 2005 in ratings. There is no growth and no possibility of growth. It is maxed out due to signal, format and population. It will hover below a one share until they realize that less than a point will not give a return on an $85 million investment.
>
> I personally have no interest in the deal but know clearly
> what is coming.
>
> Jose has been in the planning for a while, this is nothing
> new, I am surprised that Eduardo only heard about the L.A.
> plans this week from an ex employee of Univision.
I have heard about it from many current and ex employees of several companies.
José has been on the air for 8 weeks. Everyone knows about it, including listeners in many markets...
K
Kyle_Hojem
Guest
> How does that come around again? I don't get your point -
> or what it meant...
Meaning that the 103.1's were english, then spanish, then back to english programing with KDL, and maybe now back to spanish.
<P ID="signature">______________
Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
> or what it meant...
Meaning that the 103.1's were english, then spanish, then back to english programing with KDL, and maybe now back to spanish.
<P ID="signature">______________
Member of the Los Angeles, Phoenix Radio, and California TV moderation team</P>
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