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Epic Fail: Pappas To Shut Down KMPH/840

BossRadioDJ

BossRadioDJ

Jim Pappas has announced that Modesto's KMPH (840 AM) will be shuttered on Tuesday, August 31, at 9 AM:

http://840thepatriot.com/

(Click on "Open Letter To Our Listeners" at the top of the home page.)
 
This is sad to see. Another AM station signing off.

It might be a "typographical" error or maybe a "historical" error in the "letter to....",
but historically KTRB originally @ 730 KHz as a daytimer, then to 860 KHz in 1941 >> Originally started
to serve Modesto in 1933, not 1953. Ronald Reagan, as U.S. President in 1983, gave an AWARD to
860 KTRB/Modesto on its 50 years of service to the Modesto area. Of course since then, just in the past
few years 860 KTRB moved to San Francisco and is now home of the Oakland A's and 840 was started.

Hopefully 860 KTRB/San Francisco will stay alive and healthy. A bigger hope is that 840 in Modesto will
come back after this economic downturn eventually turns Up-ward.
 
I am curious, How is KTRB-860 doing?
 
Madmansam said:
I am curious, How is KTRB-860 doing?
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Sacramento's KSFM beats KTRB in the Bay Area in both cume and share.

Sacramento's KYMX beats KTRB in the Bay Area in share.

It would be pretty safe to say that they probably win 25-54 too.

It's pretty sad to be beaten by two stations from outside of the market that have little coverage in that said market.

Of course the margin of error is fairly large when you look towards the bottom of the list.
 
Bummer... Considering the listener calls heard on the air in the morning, and re-ocuring collection of local business throughout the day, it sounded like things were starting "pick-up". Kudos to Rob & Tim (in the Morning) for attracting listeners on a local one to one level and covering the present condition of living in the US with candor & humor. Hopefully they'll find a vehicle to carry on. Good luck. I'll miss the morning forum. :(

Hopefully the Modesto Radio Museum will eventually become a reality on the Norwegian Ave. site.

http://www.modestoradiomuseum.org/
 
In Fresno on the ratings KMPH 840 has a .4 for Spring, and 105.5 The Truth that carries a lot of the same synidicated programming has 0.00 ratings,Interesting. they both should do a oldies format, or KJZN should go AC.
 
KTRB is a very sad station, there was just no way that KTRB could take to much away from KNBR, even the weaker KNBR, 1050 is doing way better than KTRB, which had a 0.1 and a Cume of about 70,000 before baseball season. They also have 3rd rate programming and a schedule that changes every week.I hope KMPH went off so KTRB can move back to Modesto.And if not I hope they flip to oldies or standards, even though they'd still have to carry the A's for anthor 9 years
 
travisl5678 said:
I hope KMPH went off so KTRB can move back to Modesto. And if not I hope they flip to oldies or standards, even though they'd still have to carry the A's for anthor 9 years
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There is not a chance in a godzillian that 860 is moving back to Modesto. Jim Pappas and his team have done so much work just to get it where it is now that -- whether it's sold to someone else or they keep it -- it ain't going anywhere. That's a Bay Area station now.

As for Oldies or Standards, forget it. They'll go brokered Asian or brokered Religion or 600 other formats before they'd even consider either of those formats. (Trust me on that one.)
 
travisl5678 said:
The day that a 50,000 watt AM goes brokered is the day that AM Radio is officially dead.
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Northern California

KLOK 1170 Brokered Ethnic 50 kw Day/ 5 kw Night
KCBC 770 Brokered Religion 50 kw Day/ 4.1 kw NIght
KFAX 1100 Brokered Religion 50 kw Day and Night

Southern California

1580 KBLA Brokered 50 kw Day and Night
 
Brokered is the wave of the future for the AM dial. Surprised that Pappas is turning off KMPH-840 instead of going brokered? Same for KSTN-1420.
 
MarioMania said:
What's a null btw??

I have 840 on right now, But I don't know it's KMPH or KXNT
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A null is the sending of less signal in a particular direction from a station to protect from interference another station on the same or a nearby frequency.
 
BossRadioDJ said:
There is not a chance in a godzillian that 860 is moving back to Modesto. Jim Pappas and his team have done so much work just to get it where it is now that -- whether it's sold to someone else or they keep it -- it ain't going anywhere. That's a Bay Area station now.
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Exactly. It apparently goes back to a feud the Pappas brothers had a long time ago when they were either denied a license or couldn't join a broadcast association or something because of discrimination against them because they were of Greek background. From what I understand they made a solemn promise to one day have a station in the Bay Area, one way or the other. Where's Phil Kane when we need him?.....
 
DavidKaye said:
BossRadioDJ said:
There is not a chance in a godzillian that 860 is moving back to Modesto. Jim Pappas and his team have done so much work just to get it where it is now that -- whether it's sold to someone else or they keep it -- it ain't going anywhere. That's a Bay Area station now.
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Exactly. It apparently goes back to a feud the Pappas brothers had a long time ago when they were either denied a license or couldn't join a broadcast association or something because of discrimination against them because they were of Greek background. From what I understand they made a solemn promise to one day have a station in the Bay Area, one way or the other. Where's Phil Kane when we need him?.....
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I think the bankruptcy has something to do with it also, Harry and Jim had to sell their main stations including KMPH FOX 26 and KFRE 59 and 12 other TV stations, KBOS was sold years ago.
I really don't see having a Greek background has any thing to do with it.
 
You didn't hear it from me, and I didn't hear it from anyone, but I'm going to wager that KMPH/840 will NOT go off the air on August 31. I'm going to bet that they're going to find some kind of canned programming to run on the station rather than simply abandoning the station and their license.

Can't just turn the lights off on the towers and walk away, can you? (But everybody in radio knows that ...don't they?)
 
BossRadioDJ said:
Can't just turn the lights off on the towers and walk away, can you? (But everybody in radio knows that ...don't they?)
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I agree. They would have to dismantle the transmitter before you walk away. Now if Pappas turns off KMPH, I actually see them turning it back on sometime in the near future but I don't see that happening to KSTN-1420. It has been six months since they went off the air. If I was the owner of KSTN-1420, If I couldn't find a buyer,I would have just donated it instead of turning it silent. Make it a tax write off.
 
Re: Fools Fools Fools

Again, when an AM station signs off for good, then someone has to say , they were saddened, heart broken, suicidal that an AM station went silent. What's so comical is, that particular person never listens or rocks out with that station in the first place. They can't accept that it's the sign of the times. It's been long overdue. So please get over it. Ever heard of the internet? I'm sure you and everyone else in the world still rents all your videos at Blockbuster instead of Netflix. I'm sure you commute with a horse and buggy to work then an automobile. That station 840 AM signed on recently when the economy was just beginning signs of a tail spin. It was an unneccesary allocation in the first place. All they did was squeeze in another signal no one needed. Not even a DXer. Too many signals, too many stations, too little time, too little ears, and too little advertising to go around. Modesto and Stockton has been a shrinking market for years, even though there was an artificial spike on house prices recently, no spike in jobs, or no pay wages to afford them. All the money went back over to the Bay area anyway. Stockton's major industry left years ago. It's equivalent to a Camden, New Jersey when at one time before World War 2, it was the Silicon valley and electronics manufacturing capital of the world back in the 1920's...and even during the depression. You never know it....because it's all gone. So is AM. Many of these stations are on borrowed time. They make their money at certain parts of the day or just to stay on , but that's it. (With a few exceptions) Even Mexico is turning over the AM licenses and converting everyone to FM by the year 2015. Canada as well. You guys are still reading comic books and playing vinyl. PLEASE! I ask you, and I ASKED ALL OF YOU for the sake of this board from being outdated....IT'S OVER! Kill your typewriter, toss your Singer sewing machine away...even your 5 gear Sting-Ray bicycle, because it's being replaced with the Skateboard. Get over it...it's done.
Anyway , I'm going to listen to some old airchecks of KFRC.
 
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