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Ethnic Listening to LA Radio Stations

Excellent post, and what a great list of songs. I would add "People Get Ready, There's a Train A' Comin' " by the Chambers Brothers, which speaks in a positive, hopeful way of social change.
"People Get Ready" was not by the Chambers Brothers but the Impressions, featuring the great Curtis Mayfield. The song is more about waiting for Jesus to come again for his people than social change, though. The Chambers Brothers -- an integrated group, by the way -- were best known for an equally powerful song with a different message, "Time Has Come Today."
 
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Very interesting topic. Thanks, David, for your initial post. A long time ago, Arbitron used to show Black and Hispanic %'s of AQH (along with age and gender demographics) on a format-by-format basis in their annual Audio Today reports. I believe the last time I saw it was 2011 or so. Over the years, such demographic information faded away from their reports. Now, I don't believe Nielsen even publishes the Audio Today report anymore. I miss that report. Oh well...
 
Wanna drive someone from England nuts? Call them English. "No, I SPEAK English or British English if you prefer. England is where I am from. If I was born in Wales, Scotland AND/OR England I could be considered from Great Britain. If born in Northern Ireland, I would be considered from the United Kingdom which would also include Wales, Scotland, England." Some of them get downright indignant about that.
Well, it is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland," so someone from Antrim or Armagh has legitimate reason to protest being called British. England, Scotland and Wales are Great Britain; Northern Ireland is not.
 
Very interesting topic. Thanks, David, for your initial post. A long time ago, Arbitron used to show Black and Hispanic %'s of AQH (along with age and gender demographics) on a format-by-format basis in their annual Audio Today reports. I believe the last time I saw it was 2011 or so. Over the years, such demographic information faded away from their reports. Now, I don't believe Nielsen even publishes the Audio Today report anymore. I miss that report. Oh well...
I'll try to do the same break for a few other market, then, if you and others find it interesting. We have 64 responses and nearly 1,000 views for the original post, so that seems to indicate that it's something worth talking about.

I guess New York would be next! I think I will be following enough statistics later today, so it will be later in the week.
 
Wanna drive someone from England nuts? Call them English. "No, I SPEAK English or British English if you prefer. England is where I am from. If I was born in Wales, Scotland AND/OR England I could be considered from Great Britain. If born in Northern Ireland, I would be considered from the United Kingdom which would also include Wales, Scotland, England." Some of them get downright indignant about that.
That still confuses me, and I work very closely with the UK / Great Britain / England with the large section of my publication site that covers that part of the world. And then we have to worry who is a Commonwealth Nation, too. Heck, I still call Burkina Faso "Upper Volta"... and don't even start on the Malvinas vs. the Falklands.
 
We're going to soon see some initiative to add "Non-Binary" to the gender options, and probably some enumeration of Asians. The problem with "Asian" is that there are many, many languages and at least 6 or 7 that are very common in the US... and Nielsen does not currently have the staff and software to deal with more than the two most used languages.

The only format that I can see targeting Asians is an Asian pop format like they have in Honolulu, that's an English presentation but mostly Korean music... and that's with significant piggybacking from sectors of young White and Hispanic audiences who also enjoy that music.

Though with BTS getting drafted, I'm not sure how much more the hallyu wave will hold on in the future.
 
I guess New York would be next! I think I will be following enough statistics later today, so it will be later in the week.

New York is an unique market. It's the only place where the Hispanic population is mostly Dominican, so any station that does Hispanic formats has to target them.
 
Hear, Hear! Some of the best tunes I like were on Motown records. Some of the earliest tunes I like were basically R&B or cribbed from R&B by white artists. And in 1 1/2 short years Motown will be celebrating the 60th anniversary of its first #1 hit, "My Guy" by Mary Wells. And one of the earliest Top 40 hits from them I can remember hearing was "Money (That's What I Want)" by Barrett Strong. And they had 79 Top 10 hits between 1960-69. Can't tell me that only African-Americans were the only ones buying their records for them to accomplish that. {Couldn't listen to them on the radio when my racist old pop was around, he'd go nuts. He was just a product of his time being born in the deep south. Literally born in a shack next to a turkey processing plant. He took me by it years ago before he died. Basically overtaken by the woods and about ready to collapse but it was still standing....barely.}
One must remember that Berry Gordy's goal was not to make "black music" but "music performed by black artists". He was always going for the general market. Thanks to that big signal from The Big 8, CKLW, which dumped a lot of their 50,000 watts on Ohio farmland, I grew up on it. (Memphis was more "raw" in the soul department).
 
I'd like to add "Midnight Train to Georgia". Aside for absolutely spine-tingling singing and music, it's a deep and beautiful tale of the rapid urbanization of America in the decades following WW II.

Not exactly. It was written about a young man's frustration trying to make it in the music business. That's what you hear in the opening line that "LA proved to be too much for the man." Jim Weatherly wrote the song about moving to LA from Mississippi, trying to be an artist, and failing miserably. He wrote a song called "Midnight Plane To Houston," That was his way of giving up on the LA dream and instead moving to Houston. Somehow the song got to Gladys Knight. After that, she cut a few more of his songs, and Jim never had to work again.
 
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Not exactly. It was written about a young man's frustration trying to make it in the music business. That's what you hear in the opening line that "LA proved to be too much for the man." Jim Weatherly wrote the song about moving to LA from Mississippi, trying to be an artist, and failing miserably. He wrote a song called "Midnight Plane To Houston," That was his way of giving up on the LA dream and instead moving to Houston. Somehow the song got to Gladys Knight.
Just to clarify: Was "Midnight Plane to Houston" another Weatherly composition written as a follow-up to "Midnight Train to Georgia"? Or was it the original title of the song that would become "Midnight Train to Georgia," with the title and lyrics modified during the time it was making its way to Knight?
 
Just to clarify: Was "Midnight Plane to Houston" another Weatherly composition written as a follow-up to "Midnight Train to Georgia"? Or was it the original title of the song that would become "Midnight Train to Georgia," with the title and lyrics modified during the time it was making its way to Knight?

The only thing that was changed was the title. Cissy Houston (Whitney's mom) recorded it, and she wanted to change the title. Then when it got to Gladys, she was born in Atlanta, so she liked the idea of going back home to Georgia. Weatherly's only request was that she keep all the other lyrics. Weatherly also wrote "Neither One of Us" for Gladys and a bunch of other songs.
 
Well, it is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland," so someone from Antrim or Armagh has legitimate reason to protest being called British. England, Scotland and Wales are Great Britain; Northern Ireland is not.
Only "technically"...before the Republic of Ireland was born most atlases labeled the entire area "the British Isles".
 
You find it as obtuse as I do. And in each Census since 1980 they have slightly changed the definition. It is not-so-simply a catch-all for people from the primarily Spanish speaking countries of Latin America and, oddly, Spain. Even though large percentages in some countries speak indigenous languages like Nahuatl or Quechua / Kichwa, they are still considered "Hispanic" despite having a heritage that has as little to do with Iberia as I do with Malaysia.

And, of course, there is the bipolar situation of Hispanics whose ancestors have been in what is the present day Southwestern United States since the time it was a Spanish territory.

Maybe someone should have asked Jerry García.

"We're from the government and we're here to help confuse you".
Indeed, the US Govt even calls a White person with a "Jewish name" born in Argentina or Chile "Hispanic" even though many of those folks would identify only as Argentinian, Chilean, or simply just Jewish.
 
I'll try to do the same break for a few other market, then, if you and others find it interesting. We have 64 responses and nearly 1,000 views for the original post, so that seems to indicate that it's something worth talking about.

I guess New York would be next! I think I will be following enough statistics later today, so it will be later in the week.
I realize that Norfolk, VA isn't a major market, but I do feel it has some unique features, like the huge military and military retiree population, that might make for an interesting breakdown. I'd like to put in a request for that, sir.
 
Wanna drive someone from England nuts? Call them English. "No, I SPEAK English or British English if you prefer. England is where I am from. If I was born in Wales, Scotland AND/OR England I could be considered from Great Britain. If born in Northern Ireland, I would be considered from the United Kingdom which would also include Wales, Scotland, England." Some of them get downright indignant about that.
I've never known an Englishman to bristle at being called English. It's the Scots and the Welsh who (quite rightly) take pride in their own national identity, preferring it to being called "English" (which they aren't at all) or "British" (which is correct but not specific).
 
And I'd like to make a helpful reminder that "Hispanic" is not a race. At best, it is a linguistic relationship based on geography.

Over 80% of those who said they were "Hispanic, Latino/a, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban or other" on the Census also said they were "white" on the race question. So, the term you should be using is "... similar taste to non-Hispanic white listeners..."

Hispanics are Julio Iglesias, Roberto Clemente, Benito Juárez and Alberto Fujimori and all the marvelous combinations.
Please, being lectured by the woke crowd with so little understanding of the world is the joke that never gets burnt, and my favorite #1 hit is being called a racist when I'm laughing at the Hispanic is a race thing where I politely attempt to educate.
At this point I don't care, I have 'Americanized' brothers who have Grandmas I see come visit during the Christmas holiday and while both are classified by the dividers as "Hispanic", they are old school traditionalists and their cultures are all of their own.
This is so easy to comprehend at the human level. When your family is from an island, that's going to be quite a different experience from someone whose roots are from an area of high elevation.
I admit it's a tuff call. I like all cultures being appreciated but our country tends to homogenize them.
 
Please, being lectured by the woke crowd with so little understanding of the world is the joke that never gets burnt, and my favorite #1 hit is being called a racist when I'm laughing at the Hispanic is a race thing where I politely attempt to educate.
At this point I don't care, I have 'Americanized' brothers who have Grandmas I see come visit during the Christmas holiday and while both are classified by the dividers as "Hispanic", they are old school traditionalists and their cultures are all of their own.
This is so easy to comprehend at the human level. When your family is from an island, that's going to be quite a different experience from someone whose roots are from an area of high elevation.
I admit it's a tuff call. I like all cultures being appreciated but our country tends to homogenize them.
If we just stopped dividing people, perhaps we wouldn't need any of this discussion. As a wise man once said, "If you want to stop discrimination, stop discriminating against people". It really isn't any more complicated than that.
 
Indeed, the US Govt even calls a White person with a "Jewish name" born in Argentina or Chile "Hispanic" even though many of those folks would identify only as Argentinian, Chilean, or simply just Jewish.
Jewish isn't a nationality. I doubt any of them would give that answer to a question about their citizenship. Diego Schwartzman, the tennis player with a "Jewish name," is Argentinian by birth. He played for Argentina in the most recent Olympic games. There's no reason for he, his government or the American government to use his religion as his nationality.

Also, "Jewish names" aren't always what they appear to be. Some are borne by both Jews and non-Jews of German lineage. Alfred Rosenberg was an important figure in Hitler's government. Anne Frank was Jewish; Hans Frank was a Nazi. And in the '70s, I had the occasion to meet a woman named Rosencrantz in Arkansas. She was from German Lutheran stock.
 
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Jewish isn't a nationality. I doubt any of them would give that answer to a question about their citizenship. Diego Schwartzman, the tennis player with a "Jewish name," is Argentinian by birth. He played for Argentina in the most recent Olympic games. There's no reason for he, his government or the American government to use his religion as his nationality.

Also, "Jewish names" aren't always what they appear to be. Some are borne by both Jews and non-Jews of German lineage. Alfred Rosenberg was an important figure in Hitler's government. Anne Frank was Jewish; Hans Frank was a Nazi. And in the '70s, I had the occasion to meet a woman named Rosencrantz in Arkansas. She was from German Lutheran stock.
I never said "Jewish" was a nationality...nor did I say the U.S. Govt says its a nationality, nor did I say that anyone when asked what their "nationality" is they would give the answer "Jewish". Yes, it's a partly a religion, partly an ethnicity, partly a culture and much more. This really is not the thread for this topic, so let's just leave it with Mordecai Kaplan's concept of a "Jewish Civilization"...
 
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