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expanded-band transition

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This caught my eye on 100000watts.com
"KYDZ 1180 Omaha NE, WJCC 1700 Miami FL sign off as part of expanded-band transition"

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> This caught my eye on 100000watts.com
> "KYDZ 1180 Omaha NE, WJCC 1700 Miami FL sign off as part of
> expanded-band transition"
> What is this and what other stations are affected?

Basically, stations that had an expanded band allocation, with a few exceptions, had five years from the day they signed on to decide whether to keep the original AM station or the expanded AM band station. KYDZ 1180 got expanded band signal KOZN 1620 while WJCC 1700 was the expanded band station for WMNA 1210. NRG decided to keep 1620 and give up 1180 while the owner of WMNA 1210 decided 1210 was preferable to 1700. Pretty much every AM station that got an expanded band signal was affected by this rule. I believe WJDM 1530 Elizabeth, NJ and KDYA 1190 in San Francisco are exempt. Someone told me there was a 1,000,000+ population exemption allowing stations that service 1,000,000+ people to keep both the original and expanded allocations, but I have been unable to verify that. However, if it's true, that would likely mean KHVN 970 in Dallas/Ft. Worth and, maybe, a few others would be allowed to keep both stations. I've also been told Entercom got the FCC to give them a permanent exemption for KKHK 1250/KXTR 1660 so long as they own both stations.
 
> > This caught my eye on 100000watts.com
> > "KYDZ 1180 Omaha NE, WJCC 1700 Miami FL sign off as part
> of
> > expanded-band transition"
> > What is this and what other stations are affected?
>
> Basically, stations that had an expanded band allocation,
> with a few exceptions, had five years from the day they
> signed on to decide whether to keep the original AM station
> or the expanded AM band station.

In the Los Angeles market, KNOB/540 got KGXL/1650, then signed off KNOB shortly after getting the X-band station on the air so that 540 in Tijuana (which the owners of KNOB operated as a LMA) could increase power. They then sold 1650 to another company.

At one point, I had a very interesting debate with an individual who <u>thought</u> they knew all about the subject, claiming that 1650 was actually a X-band for a co-owned station at 1260 (an error based on the fact that 1260 and 1650 simulcast); he thought the 1260 signal was the one that had to go dark, and claimed 1650 could not legally be sold ... he could not be convinced of the real situation, and even went so far as to file an informal objection with the FCC (who set him straight pretty damned quickly).<P ID="signature">______________


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> Someone told me there was a 1,000,000+ population exemption
> allowing stations that service 1,000,000+ people to keep
> both the original and expanded allocations, but I have been
> unable to verify that.

If that were the case, Multicultural wouldn't have to give up WJCC... it's signal serves the majority of the population in Dade County (at least around 2 million people) and southern portions of Broward County (probably around 300,000 people). And if you meant both stations are included in that rule, that wouldn't work either... WNMA's signal serves all the major population of Dade and Broward Counties (around 4 million people) plus a good portion of the southern half of Palm Beach County (let's say around 350,000 people). If Multicultural has to abandon WJCC or WNMA, that throws the exemption idea out the window.<P ID="signature">______________
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I recall an interesting situation in Charlotte with 1660, the expanded-band signal there.

The signal was assigned to be the replacement for WGIV 1600, which was owned by Infinity. They also own WFNZ 610. For a number of years, 1660 was left unbuilt, because Infinity was supposedly trying to swap the 1660 for 1610 so that the new station would be available on more receivers.

After all avenues for that were exhausted, they put 1660 on the air as WFNA, largely simulcast with WFNZ. WGIV, a station with over 50 years as a heritage African-American voice in the community was immediately taken dark.

At the same time, Radio-One moved in an FM as WPZS 100.9, playing largely to the same audience as the old WGIV. Meanwhile a Gospel station in nearby Gastonia, WLTC 1370, picked up the old WGIV calls.

Are companies in other places doing similar things with these expanded-band frequencies?

Later...
Matt Smith
 
The 100,000 Rule

> Basically, stations that had an expanded band allocation,
> with a few exceptions, had five years from the day they
> signed on to decide whether to keep the original AM station
> or the expanded AM band station.

Actually, it's five years from the date the Expanded Band station's license was granted. Since many of these stations were operating under a Construction Permit for quite a while before their actual license was granted, this means the five-year limit can end up being 6 or 7 years (or even more) after the Expanded Band station first went on the air (via the CP). For example, 1680 WTTM went on the air in 1998 but didn't officially get their license until 2000, thus their parent station 1350 WHWH will be going dark this year, as opposed to two years ago.

> I believe WJDM 1530 Elizabeth, NJ and KDYA 1190 in San
> Francisco are exempt. Someone told me there was a
> 1,000,000+ population exemption allowing stations that
> service 1,000,000+ people to keep both the original and
> expanded allocations, but I have been unable to verify that.

The rule is actually that any city with a population of at least 100,000 (not one million) in which the only radio station is an AM daytimer is allowed to put a full-time Expanded Band signal on the air post-haste. It was a guy at WJDM who came up with the whole idea of the Expanded Band and the "100,000 Rule", as a way to get a full-time signal.* It just so happened that KDIA's city of license of Vallejo, CA also qualified under the "100,000 Rule" and thus 1640 KDIA was born (initially, WJDM and KDIA used the same call letters for both the "parent" station and the Expanded Band station, but eventually 1660 WJDM changed to different call letters and 1190 KDIA became KDYA).

* The WJDM story is a perfect example of American capitalism at work. WJDM pleaded its case to the FCC that it needed a full-time signal in order to properly serve the public of Elizabeth, NJ, since they were the only radio station in town. However, once WJDM got its big 10,000-watt full-time signal on the air, it was no surprise that the close proximity between Elizabeth, NJ and New York City allowed 1660 WJDM to effectively serve the NYC area instead... and within months, 1660 was sold to Children's Broadcasting, who used it to put their "Radio Aahs" format on the air in NYC -- completely forgetting about providing any local programming for the residents of Elizabeth, beyond the original daytimer 1530 WJDM which still remains on the air today. 1660 (now WWRU) has now even changed its city of license to Jersey City, leaving Elizabeth back to square one: a moderately big city with no full-time local radio. I don't really blame the Radio Aahs folks, though; they had an excellent format, and it's a shame that Radio Disney totally ripped them off, forcing Aahs out of business, even though Radio Disney is a far cry from the type of innovative non-Disney-ized programming that Aahs offered.
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expanded-band transition -- please explain this!

> Basically, stations that had an expanded band allocation,
> with a few exceptions, had five years from the day they
> signed on to decide whether to keep the original AM station
> or the expanded AM band station. KYDZ 1180 got expanded
> band signal KOZN 1620 while WJCC 1700 was the expanded band
> station for WMNA 1210.

It's a little more complicated than that, but
I haven't figured it out yet.

Spanish programming has been gone from WJCC 1700
for months. Then it was Haitian until recently.

Also, legacy WSRF 1580, which has been Caribbean
for years, has been dark for months and is suddenly
Haitian. Go to wsrf.com and it takes you
to planet17radio.com, which says WSRF 1580 "Haitian
Owned and Operated."

How does that fit in with what you said?

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Re: The 100,000 Rule

I remember when WJDM was oldies. I have about an hour of airchecks of them as an oldies station. One of the few to dare compete with WCBS-FM. That was around 1992.

>
> * The WJDM story is a perfect example of American capitalism
> at work. WJDM pleaded its case to the FCC that it needed a
> full-time signal in order to properly serve the public of
> Elizabeth, NJ, since they were the only radio station in
> town. However, once WJDM got its big 10,000-watt full-time
> signal on the air, it was no surprise that the close
> proximity between Elizabeth, NJ and New York City allowed
> 1660 WJDM to effectively serve the NYC area instead... and
> within months, 1660 was sold to Children's Broadcasting, who
> used it to put their "Radio Aahs" format on the air in NYC
> -- completely forgetting about providing any local
> programming for the residents of Elizabeth, beyond the
> original daytimer 1530 WJDM which still remains on the air
> today. 1660 (now WWRU) has now even changed its city of
> license to Jersey City, leaving Elizabeth back to square
> one: a moderately big city with no full-time local radio. I
> don't really blame the Radio Aahs folks, though; they had an
> excellent format, and it's a shame that Radio Disney totally
> ripped them off, forcing Aahs out of business, even though
> Radio Disney is a far cry from the type of innovative
> non-Disney-ized programming that Aahs offered.
>
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