Explain how Limbaugh and Beck NOT guilty of PAYOLA?

[joewo]

How are Limbaugh and Beck and possibly more RW talkers NOT guilty of PAYOLA? And secondarily did they declare this income correctly?

Dick Armey explains here
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/04/exclusive-dick-armey-dishes-on-freedomworks-dea/192036

Here is the law
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/508

Please explain....

 

[TheBigA]

One word: Disclosure. The law says you can receive payments, but you must disclose that you are.

Do you have evidence that they didn't disclose their relationship?

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Here is the way I have always wanted to ask the question:

If an airline were infatuated with a candidate, and wanted to give free travel to a candidate, to satisfy election campaign laws that would have to show up on the candidates books as an "in kind" donation. I assume that "in kind" donation would have to show up in the public reports on who contributed funds. I assume that "in kind" donation could not exceed the campaign laws for maximum amounts of "in kind" and other donations to the campaign.

I often wonder if the stations who carry Political Talk programs that are giving a for of "in kind" donations to campaigns have some kind of obligation to file reports on the value of the "in kind" donation. I wonder if the station have to cut off the time available for such broadcasts when they have reached some legal limit on dollar size.

But the bigger question is this: If it turns out there is a nasty, hidden bunch of regulations and laws that have been ignored, is the American public prepared to deal with an alternate financing plan for elections? If we decide that having people like Rush and Hannity and Beck giving conservatives some kind of "in kind" free ride, and people like Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow and Laurence O'Donnell are giving liberals some kind of "in kind" free ride, and we decide it must stop, is the American public ready to fund a replacement mechanism for letting the public be exposed to the candidates?

 

[Bongwater]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

 

[Seltzer]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

 

[radioboy]

Looking at the graph, it appears they got the best results with direct mail, not radio.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

Tell me how I can know that they care deeply for the country. How do I test the validity of your claim? I hope they do.

Does any citizen who routinely challenges the value and worth of people who disagree with them demonstrate a deep care for the country? If I come to this forum and I try to declare Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Glenn to be worthless people, how would you go about building a logic that I care deeply for my country. Would you defend me it I said such a thing about these two gentlemen?

Other than serving as "canaries in the coal mine" to warn us which groups of people are the evil doers (which may or may not be true), what is it that they do that proves that they are great Americans who care deeply for the country?

What is the Gold Standard by which we separate the people who care deeply for the country from the worthless scum who are people who hate our country.

And if we figure that out, and we all notify each other that we now know who cares for our country, deeply, and we also notify each other who does not care for our country.... what have we accomplished? Are we better off that before learned.... what may or may not be the truth?

Now, back to the topic of PAYOLA. Would your opinion of either of these two people remain the same if you found out that they were guilty of violating the PAYOLA laws? Or violating the Election Finance laws?

 

[Seltzer]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

Tell me how I can know that they care deeply for the country. How do I test the validity of your claim? I hope they do.

Does any citizen who routinely challenges the value and worth of people who disagree with them demonstrate a deep care for the country? If I come to this forum and I try to declare Mr. Limbaugh and Mr. Glenn to be worthless people, how would you go about building a logic that I care deeply for my country. Would you defend me it I said such a thing about these two gentlemen?

Other than serving as "canaries in the coal mine" to warn us which groups of people are the evil doers (which may or may not be true), what is it that they do that proves that they are great Americans who care deeply for the country?

What is the Gold Standard by which we separate the people who care deeply for the country from the worthless scum who are people who hate our country.

And if we figure that out, and we all notify each other that we now know who cares for our country, deeply, and we also notify each other who does not care for our country.... what have we accomplished? Are we better off that before learned.... what may or may not be the truth?

Now, back to the topic of PAYOLA. Would your opinion of either of these two people remain the same if you found out that they were guilty of violating the PAYOLA laws? Or violating the Election Finance laws?

Dick Armey is just pissed that the group they didn't get the return they thought they would with Beck & Limbaugh. To assert that they broke some laws is pretty lame. Neither are guilty of violating any payola laws. Or Election Finance laws. Watching MSNBC? Sounds like an Ed Schultz moment.

I'll stand by my assertion that these two are great Americans and stand by their principles.

 

[TheBigA]

I'll stand by my assertion that these two are great Americans and stand by their principles.

They stand by their principles of making lots of money. They both began as DJs, and realized the real money was somewhere else. They both were right.

 

[stevensonair]

It's all fine and well to stand by an assertion but you still haven't backed it up with any facts.

 

[Dick Skinner]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

No they don't.

 

[landtuna]

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

Rush and Beck are two charlatans who, like rural bible-bangers in an overheated tent meeting, use fear and superstition to convince shallow thinkers to mail in their last dollar lest they be overtaken with witches and other mean spirits disguised as Democrats.

Rush and Beck are opportunists, much as a certain Senator McCarthy of Wisconsin, whose everlasting shame was using fear and superstition of "commies in the kitchen" to ruin lives and try to feed his own ego and position.

I really doubt either man is the least bit concerned about America as long as they continue to feed their bank accounts. They are detestable.

 

[RadioStarOne]

Rush is an entertainer and he say's it himself all the time!

 

[SonoSational18]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

...and the Easter Bunny is a magical rabbit that cares deply for children.

 

[Goat Rodeo Cowboy]

Rush is an entertainer and he say's it himself all the time!

There's an old country music song from two or three decades back that works around the theme: "That's my story... and I'm sticking to it." Guy keeps getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and he keeps coming up with fantasy explanations... and then launches into the chorus: That's my story and I sticking to it.

This thread is built around some reports that possible Limbaugh is on the payroll of Dick Army or someone is the reason he says some of this stuff. We don't know if it is true or not, but we ask what problems there might be with FCC rules and elecltion rules.

And every time Rush says: I'm an entertainer.... I think of that Nashville country bumpkin playing a guitar with a big silly grin... trying to convince his wife: "That's my story.... and I'm sticking to it."

 

[RadioStarOne]

G R C.....I agree! Good post!

 

[landtuna]

Rush is an entertainer and he say's it himself all the time!

I'd believe that if'n I saw him dressed in a speedo balancing a ball on his head.

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

Everyone is entitled to their delusions.

 

[radiorob2.0]

It's part of the "Citizens United" scam. MONEY is SPEECH according to our Supreme Court. Until THAT gets revisited and CHANGED.....

Rush and Glenn are great Americans who care deeply for the country.

I'd like to add Rush and Glenn are good clean Americans that were never tempted by illicit substances like those dope smokin' liberals Plus Rush and Glenn join Newt Gingrich as shining beacons of the sanctity of marriage.

 

[Bongwater]

It's a stretch to call these guys "Great Americans".

Being stalwarts of a talk radio format that appeals to crabby old white people isn't exactly the same thing as finding a cure for polio.

Sitting behind a gold plated mic and whining about people of whose hardship experiences you have no personal knowledge of isn't the same as actually LIVING them.

You see Seltzer, my definition of a "Great American" is someone who has NEVER been wealthy.

Someone who has found a breakthrough discovery (like Salk), but REFUSES to take a patent on it that could have made him a BILLIONAIRE - several times over. He GAVE it away as a gift to humanity. And the world remembers him WARMLY for it.

THAT'S a "Great American"

Or those who struggled to bring the people TOGETHER. To move beyond the idiocy of racism and homophobia and towards unity and progress to help a nation heal and reconcile, even if it costed them their lives.

THOSE are "Great Americans"

Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck wrap themselves in the flag and expect everyone to consider them the embodiment of all things American. But all they have participated in is the LOWEST form American capitalism. And nothing else.

Might make you a famous American, but it doesn't make you a "Great American" any more than Kim Kardashian could be compared to Benjamin Franklin.

Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck are NOT "Great Americans".

Period.