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Expletives undeleted on WRKO newscast

newsbot said:
When local news is outsourced, Entercom happens. Yesterday during a break on the Howie Carr Show, a spontaneous reaction to the "Mattapan Massacre" trial verdict aired in all its profanity-laced glory. Howie felt compelled to apologize.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/jlo2od
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From which we can conclude... what? (1) That things aren't going so well in his negotiations with GM for him to move to WTKK when his contract with Entercom ends later this year? (2) Ditto for possible negotiations with CCU for him to move to WXKS (AM) instead of WTKK? (3) That he has already made his peace with Entercom and he will (or already has) extended his contract with WRKO? (4) Some other highly improbable speculation that I haven't thought of? (5) None of the above?
 
newsbot said:
When local news is outsourced, Entercom happens. Yesterday during a break on the Howie Carr Show, a spontaneous reaction to the "Mattapan Massacre" trial verdict aired in all its profanity-laced glory. Howie felt compelled to apologize.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/jlo2od
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We will have to see how the Supreme Court rules on the FCC's obscenity law this fall. This may be common place soon. It doesn't look very good for the FCC on this matter.
 
I can't tell if Howie is obligated to back to WRKO if they pick up his contract (all the drama about a possible move to WTKK happened in late 2007, and he got a 5 year deal). As usual he criticizes
Entercom's equipment, WRKO's signal, etc. on air. He set up his own site, howiecarr.us and says
just every day that if he "goes anywhere" this is how he can let his listeners know. (howiecarr dot com is owned by Entercom). Will he be offered a deal by GM? One of their execs said they weren't interested in him but who knows. Clear Channel? They have Katz and Severin now and I don't know where he'd go if they took him, unless they moved one of them to a diff. time slot to give Howie
either am or pm drive. If he brought in ad $ for either station, they might go for him.

Apparently in '07 once Entercom made him an offer he was obligated to take it (right to match
GM offer) and I don't know if that was a one time deal or if he has to do the same thing this time around.

As for the expletives:
--sometimes they come across because the board op isn't paying attention or didn't hit the
dump button in time. (I've used the dump button at WMWM when a swear popped up in a song
and listening to the aircheck back, I found that it worked fine when I pressed it right afterwards. We have a 10 sec delay). From time to time on Howie's show someone will either swear or
allege something about a politician that can't be proved right away, and you hear a sudden
jump then Howie saying, "ooh, cut that, cut that Sandy. Did you get it?"

A couple incidents I remember:
--Red Sox great Bill Lee was on WEEI one Labor Day morning promoting a charity baseball game.
Telling a story about getting pulled off the mound: "So the manager comes out and says,
'we're taking you out of the game'. I said, 'no s---'" (only it wasn't bleeped). Someone missed it.

--KOLA in San Bernadino was re-running an American Top 40 show from the 70s and The
Isley Bros. "Fight The Power" came out. "...with all this bulls--- comin' down" is one lyric.
Not only didn't KOLA bleep it (I was hearing it on a cass. aircheck) but apparently the
original broadcast from the 70s didn't catch it either.

We'll see future "fleeting expletives" rulings. (I can think of a Grammy Awards show where
Bono from U2 said "we're going to keep f---ing up the mainstream" and it got through. Also
a baseball game involving the Braves in the 90s had the dugouts "miked" and Braves pitching
coach Leo Mazzone said the F word, cursing a relief pitcher's bad performance. Got through. It wasn't Mazzone talking to someone up in the broadcast booth; he just cursed to himself.)
I remember calling up Tom Leykis on WRKO about the Bono swear.
 
raccoonradio said:
I can't tell if Howie is obligated to back to WRKO if they pick up his contract (all the drama about a possible move to WTKK happened in late 2007, and he got a 5 year deal). As usual he criticizes
Entercom's equipment, WRKO's signal, etc. on air. He set up his own site, howiecarr.us and says
just every day that if he "goes anywhere" this is how he can let his listeners know. (howiecarr dot com is owned by Entercom). Will he be offered a deal by GM? One of their execs said they weren't interested in him but who knows. Clear Channel? They have Katz and Severin now and I don't know where he'd go if they took him, unless they moved one of them to a diff. time slot to give Howie
either am or pm drive. If he brought in ad $ for either station, they might go for him.

Apparently in '07 once Entercom made him an offer he was obligated to take it (right to match
GM offer) and I don't know if that was a one time deal or if he has to do the same thing this time around.

As for the expletives:
--sometimes they come across because the board op isn't paying attention or didn't hit the
dump button in time. (I've used the dump button at WMWM when a swear popped up in a song
and listening to the aircheck back, I found that it worked fine when I pressed it right afterwards. We have a 10 sec delay). From time to time on Howie's show someone will either swear or
allege something about a politician that can't be proved right away, and you hear a sudden
jump then Howie saying, "ooh, cut that, cut that Sandy. Did you get it?"

A couple incidents I remember:
--Red Sox great Bill Lee was on WEEI one Labor Day morning promoting a charity baseball game.
Telling a story about getting pulled off the mound: "So the manager comes out and says,
'we're taking you out of the game'. I said, 'no s---'" (only it wasn't bleeped). Someone missed it.

--KOLA in San Bernadino was re-running an American Top 40 show from the 70s and The
Isley Bros. "Fight The Power" came out. "...with all this bulls--- comin' down" is one lyric.
Not only didn't KOLA bleep it (I was hearing it on a cass. aircheck) but apparently the
original broadcast from the 70s didn't catch it either.

We'll see future "fleeting expletives" rulings. (I can think of a Grammy Awards show where
Bono from U2 said "we're going to keep f---ing up the mainstream" and it got through. Also
a baseball game involving the Braves in the 90s had the dugouts "miked" and Braves pitching
coach Leo Mazzone said the F word, cursing a relief pitcher's bad performance. Got through. It wasn't Mazzone talking to someone up in the broadcast booth; he just cursed to himself.)
I remember calling up Tom Leykis on WRKO about the Bono swear.
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I thought this was all over the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction. I think that you can get away with a few here and there during the safe-haven hours at night. I watching "Animal House" on WPIX a few years ago after 10PM and there was definite nudity. I occasionally hear it one some of the college stations in NJ , especially on the week-ends, after 10 now. Not that I condone it, a radio station should be listenable for everyone in the family, but you don't really notice it.
 
Was watching DVD of Monty Python's the Meaning of Life and one bit at the end showed a man
who "got to choose his own death": his fantasy was being chased by a bunch of topless girls.
So he was, and he fell off a tall cliff doing so. I don't know if that scene would have made the
cut on reg. broadcast TV, or maybe it would air during "safe harbor". Yes you might get away with
some things late at night or overnight, TV or radio.

Two censorship moments from network TV:
--Rain Man. "UH oh. Farted." "Ray, did you fart?" "...Yeah." On TV, it was changed to
"passed wind".
--Good Morning Vietnam. Cronauer tells one of his superiors, "you know, you're in more need
of a blow job than any man in history". A general doesn't mind the remark, though, and is later heard repeating it to himself and remarking, "that's funny". In the network TV version, Robin Williams
is heard to say a REAL job, instead, and the second scene just cuts off as the general leaves
the room, chuckling.

And of course in several movies, there's "looping" afterwards to change some words to
"shucks" or "frickin'" or subtituting a bleep. WEEI plays a clip from Pulp Fiction where
Samuel L Jackson is heard to yell, "Shut the (BLEEP) up!" You can figure out what he really
said, quite easily.
 
raccoonradio said:
Was watching DVD of Monty Python's the Meaning of Life and one bit at the end showed a man
who "got to choose his own death": his fantasy was being chased by a bunch of topless girls.
So he was, and he fell off a tall cliff doing so. I don't know if that scene would have made the
cut on reg. broadcast TV, or maybe it would air during "safe harbor". Yes you might get away with
some things late at night or overnight, TV or radio.

Two censorship moments from network TV:
--Rain Man. "UH oh. Farted." "Ray, did you fart?" "...Yeah." On TV, it was changed to
"passed wind".
--Good Morning Vietnam. Cronauer tells one of his superiors, "you know, you're in more need
of a blow job than any man in history". A general doesn't mind the remark, though, and is later heard repeating it to himself and remarking, "that's funny". In the network TV version, Robin Williams
is heard to say a REAL job, instead, and the second scene just cuts off as the general leaves
the room, chuckling.

And of course in several movies, there's "looping" afterwards to change some words to
"shucks" or "frickin'" or subtituting a bleep. WEEI plays a clip from Pulp Fiction where
Samuel L Jackson is heard to yell, "Shut the (BLEEP) up!" You can figure out what he really
said, quite easily.
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If you edit anything really tight you can get the beginning of an "f" in there.
 
A board populated by adults is actually having a serious conversation concerning incidental background profanity during a newscast, profanity that probably conveyed the rarest of all news commodities; real, honest-to-God emotion?

By the by, Raccoon....nice job working in the Howie Carr sidebar. ....damn near fell out of my chair laughing. These stories just about write themselves

It about time for you two to rent a room.

Regards,
TSB
 
wow why the hostile tones with raccoon-radio?? Hes very well informed just because he's a fan of Howies so what?? I listened to him "Howie" then stopped when i moved out into metro west and found the sports hub!!
 
If you notice, the Metro Anchor who used that sound cut is no longer doing news during the HC Show. Greg Vine who did overnight traffic reports on BZ is now doing news during the Howie Carr Show.
Metro never used sound during their newscasts but there was a push by RKO to make the news sound more interesting. See what happens when you try and get fancy
 
Sometimes the Metro announcers stumble over copy, etc.; sometimes it's not so bad. Familiar
names like Malcolm Alter pop up once in awhile.

I remember when Metro news announced that Dennis Rodman had passed away. Actually it had
been former Celtic Dennis Johnson. Oops.
 
raccoonradio said:
I think I provide info and light hearted chatter here
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i really enjoyed Warren G's lighthearted chatter yesterday. the lack of a 7-second delay and explicit-approval of f-bombs just added to the enjoyment
 
It's usually a slow news day here on the Boston " Radio non Info" boards.



A board populated by adults is actually having a serious conversation concerning incidental background profanity during a newscast, profanity that probably conveyed the rarest of all news commodities; real, honest-to-God emotion?

By the by, Raccoon....nice job working in the Howie Carr sidebar. ....damn near fell out of my chair laughing. These stories just about write themselves

It about time for you two to rent a room.

Regards,
TSB


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btw Norm I'll mention here that I'm looking forward to the annual Mai Cramer tribute 4/21
at the Regent Theatre in Arlington. My co-host Pete Cahill, who used to work for Mai
answering phones at 'GBH, talked to her widower Peter Ward and it came out very well
(links on the Juke Joint facebook). "Mai The Blues Be With You"

Mai worked at 'GBH (The Blues Hour/Blues After Hours) for 24 years until her death. She, Holly Harris, and I introduced acts at the Winter Island Blues Festivals in the late 90s.

Mai's obit from The Phoenix:
>> http://bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/this_just_in/documents/02179981.htm
 
btw Norm I'll mention here that I'm looking forward to the annual Mai Cramer tribute 4/21at the Regent Theatre in Arlington. My co-host Pete Cahill, who used to work for Mai answering phones at 'GBH, talked to her widower Peter Ward and it came out very well (links on the Juke Joint facebook). "Mai The Blues Be With You"

God have mercy. Now you're going to fire off a collection of non-sequitor, non-thread-related posts just to lower your percentage of sycophantic Howie posts?

Yikes.

Regards,
TSB
 
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