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F-Bomb heard on a Nationally televised gamed between The Texans & The Colts.
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that happened on another game i watched too because of the mics that the quarterback is wearing or something i dont know if its something new cause i think i heard more of the quarterbacks voice then usual and if he is standing near someone throwing fbombs then its going to be picked up over the air i dont think they will have the levels so high in the coming weeks
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searadiofreak
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This actually happens quite frequently with the NFL and their desire to bring in the sounds of the game. Some are more subtle than others, but it happens. I heard one during thr SEA-SF game Sunday. The announcers intentionally don't even make mention it, and the game moves on. I'm sure that there are few complaints and if it does get worse, the networks will simply turn down some of the sideline sound. Non-issue.
For the life of me I can't figure out why they need to put those dish microphones on the field. With all the cursing and trash talking that goes on, its a wonder they can broadcast anything at all. And now they are wearing wireless microphones in some cases. I don't really mind if they mike the players when its being done for a film, since they can always bleep out the naughty stuff during editing. But they should really be more responsible during a live broadcast. I've heard cursing over the air on many occasions. Its embarrassnig when your family is in the room
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FreddyE1977
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I actually hear this quite often. Drunken smart-alecks in the crowd who figure out where the crowd mikes are.
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imhomerjay
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And life goes on for those who don't worry about such trivial things. 
I agree. It's so stupid that people post on these boards every time someone utters the f word on national TV. They act like they're freshmen boys in high school and they just got asked out by the hottest and sexiest female in the senior class. The same for the people on certain other boards who post a message every time they find a new pirate radio station.
It's especially silly when you realize that you'll hear the "F-bomb" at least a half dozen times in any hour on almost any street or playground in America. I'd bet that kids use profanities (out of the hearing range of teachers and parents, of course) more than adults, because they think it makes them sound cool. I know that was true when I was in school, and that was many years ago.
So it's ridiculous to think that our kids are going to be corrupted somehow by hearing athletes, musicians, or actors use curse words. I'm not advocating that curse words be allowed on broadcast TV - it's OK with me that the...uh...more sensitive among are spared the burden of having to hear televised profanity.
But, in my opinion, we need to get over all the shock and hand-wringing when a cuss word is uttered on live TV, or a naked boob is revealed.
So it's ridiculous to think that our kids are going to be corrupted somehow by hearing athletes, musicians, or actors use curse words. I'm not advocating that curse words be allowed on broadcast TV - it's OK with me that the...uh...more sensitive among are spared the burden of having to hear televised profanity.
But, in my opinion, we need to get over all the shock and hand-wringing when a cuss word is uttered on live TV, or a naked boob is revealed.
Lkeller, MarcB, imhomerjay,
I think y'all are veering toward mischaracterizing everything that has been said in this thread so far. And taking it from an issue to personalization when it doesn't seem to be warranted.
Like the futbollers say, play the ball. You're kicking at the man, not the ball.
The ball is the idea of cussing on tv. The man is "silly" "uhhh more sensitive" people doing "stupid" things like "worry about such trivial things" who are "shocked" and "hand-wringing." Play the ball, not the man.
To be fair, that statement would also apply to 98% of the internet. Not posting about "trivial" things so it doesn't appear to be "worrying" sure would cut down on internet traffic.
If that's "stupid" then you gotta think harder beforehand next time you leave us with an update about your cable company's program guide listings, or tell us when Ion adds another hour of sitcoms at 3am, or whatever. Don't wanna be "stupid" "every time..."
Cussing's just a different form of bullying. It's done to shock someone who hears it, and draw a reaction. It shocks me that people lack a working vocabulary to that degree. And it shows no respect for anyone else in earshot. Especially if your playground or street lets it happen six times an hour.
So if someone got bullied and called names [verbally, to draw a reaction] six times an hour in a street or on a playground, at what point does it become "especially silly" to comment on it?
It is also "ridiculous" to think that they shouldn't act like adults?
I also wanna see it when an adult justifies someone else having to listen to their cussing by saying "Get over it. Kids cuss more than adults." When that happens, someone please start a thread so I'll find out about it, because I want to laugh and laugh and laugh.
Essentially that's what you just did. "It's okay for them to hear it, because they've heard it before."
This was also the first use of the "people think kids are pure and uncorrupted" idea on this thread.
I also didn't read the "shock and hand-wringing" on this thread that you read.
Just because something's lost its "shock value" and has become culturally acceptable doesn't make it a good idea or the right thing to do. Otherwise the Crips and Bloods would rule more than just their little back alleys of the world.
I think y'all are veering toward mischaracterizing everything that has been said in this thread so far. And taking it from an issue to personalization when it doesn't seem to be warranted.
Like the futbollers say, play the ball. You're kicking at the man, not the ball.
The ball is the idea of cussing on tv. The man is "silly" "uhhh more sensitive" people doing "stupid" things like "worry about such trivial things" who are "shocked" and "hand-wringing." Play the ball, not the man.
Life goes on for everyone, because it just does.imhomerjay said:And life goes on for those who don't worry about such trivial things.
To be fair, that statement would also apply to 98% of the internet. Not posting about "trivial" things so it doesn't appear to be "worrying" sure would cut down on internet traffic.
Isn't it still "newsworthy" or at least "worth mentioning on a National TV forum" when someone blasts an F-bomb on tv, and the networks don't prevent it from airing? Have we become that jaded, on all sides of how/why that was transmitted?MarcB said:
If that's "stupid" then you gotta think harder beforehand next time you leave us with an update about your cable company's program guide listings, or tell us when Ion adds another hour of sitcoms at 3am, or whatever. Don't wanna be "stupid" "every time..."
That's a rough crowd. Maybe they should teach self-respect in schools instead of self-esteem?Lkeller said:
Cussing's just a different form of bullying. It's done to shock someone who hears it, and draw a reaction. It shocks me that people lack a working vocabulary to that degree. And it shows no respect for anyone else in earshot. Especially if your playground or street lets it happen six times an hour.
So if someone got bullied and called names [verbally, to draw a reaction] six times an hour in a street or on a playground, at what point does it become "especially silly" to comment on it?
The athletes, musicians, or actors using curse words are adults.
It is also "ridiculous" to think that they shouldn't act like adults?
I also wanna see it when an adult justifies someone else having to listen to their cussing by saying "Get over it. Kids cuss more than adults." When that happens, someone please start a thread so I'll find out about it, because I want to laugh and laugh and laugh.
Essentially that's what you just did. "It's okay for them to hear it, because they've heard it before."
In essence, you're not only advocating that they be allowed [if it's an accident], but you're also advocating that people not mention them when they happen for fear of being called things like "especially silly" and being guilty of "hand-wringing."
This was also the first use of the "people think kids are pure and uncorrupted" idea on this thread.
Why the different expectation between "live tv" and "not live tv?"
I also didn't read the "shock and hand-wringing" on this thread that you read.
Just because something's lost its "shock value" and has become culturally acceptable doesn't make it a good idea or the right thing to do. Otherwise the Crips and Bloods would rule more than just their little back alleys of the world.
quadraphonic said:
Interesting and thoughtful discussion. If it came off that I personalized my comments, that wasn't my intention. I guess I did use the word "silly." Reasonable people will differ on this, of course, and I understand the other viewpoint. Years ago, I read a piece by George Will on the "coarsening of America." For the most part, I agreed with him. But from my viewpoint, in a world in which any child can see the most vile hardcore pornography on the internet by "certifying" that s/he's 18 - it seems odd to be preoccupied with hearing the "F-bomb" on live TV. I know that doesn't make it right, but I think we need to put it in perspective - it's like sitting in a leaky boat with a big hole in the hull, and being upset because it's drizzling on your head.
I made the distinction in regard to Live TV because pre-recorded TV can be reviewed by the networks' standards and practices department and edited, but its obviously harder for them to censor unscripted remarks on live TV. A few years ago, the FCC levied a huge fine on one of the networks because Cher uttered the F bomb on an awards show, and they didn't bleep it in time. I think that's just wrong.
To be clear - I certainly didn't imply that the subject was "trivial." On a website where media-nerds talk about 50 year old radio jingles (and I include myself), the subject of profanity is profound by comparison.
I don't know that I agree that profanity is just another form of bullying. Kids use swear words on the playground to make an impact, and look "cool" - but I don't agree that it rises to the level of bullying. That's trivializing bullying, in my view.
Marc was doing waaaay more personalizing there, so I guess if we're going by "everything is relative" I shouldn't have mentioned you in the same breath on that, Lkeller.
I don't think it's any harder to stop a cuss word on a live program than it is on a taped program. That's what delays are for. All it takes is one person, a list of words, and a button. I guess the crux on a delay would be in getting the BEEEEP to fit in between the f and the k or as close into the words as they seem to like to get them. BEEEEP out a couple of other words if you want, if it will keep your network from not meeting "standards" and getting fined.
If there are "standards" and a network can't meet them, then maybe the network should look at the way they operate, instead of all of us just saying "Oh well, it didn't kill anyone, so no one should complain." If people can complain about the overnight programming changes for some obscure cable channels, or about the fact that "This cable channel isn't doing what they originally did when they started" and other "standards" aren't being met, and that can get at least tacit approval, then mentioning a network letting a cuss word through [when they're not supposed to] is also fair topic for discussion.
Kids use verbal cussing to bully other kids, when it's not done physically. Most bullying doesn't start out physical anyway, unless the bully's got a gang with him. It happens at least six times in an hour on any playground.
If you can excuse the cussing being let through an electronic system to go over the air because "it's too hard to stop/people make mistakes" it seems akin to not stopping a kid from cussing to bully another kid because "it's too hard to stop/kids will be kids."
Okay, try this analogy...
Cussing to shock people and "look cool" is actually stealing peace and whatever else from other people that they need to be "shocked" from. Stealing shouldn't be allowed, so cussing shouldn't either.
I don't think it's any harder to stop a cuss word on a live program than it is on a taped program. That's what delays are for. All it takes is one person, a list of words, and a button. I guess the crux on a delay would be in getting the BEEEEP to fit in between the f and the k or as close into the words as they seem to like to get them. BEEEEP out a couple of other words if you want, if it will keep your network from not meeting "standards" and getting fined.
If there are "standards" and a network can't meet them, then maybe the network should look at the way they operate, instead of all of us just saying "Oh well, it didn't kill anyone, so no one should complain." If people can complain about the overnight programming changes for some obscure cable channels, or about the fact that "This cable channel isn't doing what they originally did when they started" and other "standards" aren't being met, and that can get at least tacit approval, then mentioning a network letting a cuss word through [when they're not supposed to] is also fair topic for discussion.
Kids use verbal cussing to bully other kids, when it's not done physically. Most bullying doesn't start out physical anyway, unless the bully's got a gang with him. It happens at least six times in an hour on any playground.
If you can excuse the cussing being let through an electronic system to go over the air because "it's too hard to stop/people make mistakes" it seems akin to not stopping a kid from cussing to bully another kid because "it's too hard to stop/kids will be kids."
Okay, try this analogy...
Cussing to shock people and "look cool" is actually stealing peace and whatever else from other people that they need to be "shocked" from. Stealing shouldn't be allowed, so cussing shouldn't either.
quadraphonic said:
As a master control operator for a sports-related cable network I can tell you...we never use a delay. Because of the fast pace and quickly changeable circumstances when broadcasting live sporting events, using a delay would complicate things tremendously. Trust me...using a delay on a per-event basis is not as easy as one might think.
davect said:
I've never worked in a control room, but from what I know, it seems to fit the definition of "organized chaos." So even with a delay, it doesn't seem irresponsible to me that the occasional unexpected swear word might slip out before the operator can catch it. So it seems wrong to me that FCC fines should be levied under those circumstances.
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