Yes, America. The organization that disrespects radio also allows artists to use the F word on broadcast TV. Without regard to the consequences. I heard Eminem slip a few Fs in before the censors caught it. They probably had a lot of trouble making out the word in his rant. Earlier, Jamie Foxx came pretty close to the edge as he introduced Ceelo with a song that should never have been allowed on TV. So even though radio doesn't pay artists for the broadcast of their music, they're fully responsible to pay the fines when those artists use words most adults know not to use in public.
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F word on the Grammy
- Thread starter TheBigA
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TheBigA said:
I saw where this song "F*** YOU" was up for a grammy. Has any radio station actually dared to play this?
Then again, as my co-worker had said "no big deal if they did". Of course this was after hearing some woman on local Denver morning radio last week mentioning how one recent morning she had sneaked into the bathroom only to see her live-in boyfriend soaping up in the shower..so she decides to give him oral sex in the shower.
Let's see...a song up for a grammy titled "F*ck You"..not much different than the morning girl dj giving oral sex and talking about it on the air during morning drive..
..the future of broadcasting.
The version of the Cee-Lo Green song played on the radio is called "Forget You". Even the hot AC and adult top 40 stations (those that don't play a signal note of hip-hop and rap) are playing this song. Nobody dares play the version with the original word.
As for CBS...they are the home of the 2004 Super Bowl mishap. It looks like after seven years, they have let their guard down. I have DVR'ed it, and will watch it when I have time in the next few days. I don't think the producers of the awards would have been stupid enough to to greenlight this. Eminem must have done this on his own accord.
As for CBS...they are the home of the 2004 Super Bowl mishap. It looks like after seven years, they have let their guard down. I have DVR'ed it, and will watch it when I have time in the next few days. I don't think the producers of the awards would have been stupid enough to to greenlight this. Eminem must have done this on his own accord.
The only obscenity I was expecting this year was from Christina Aguilera - in the event that she forgot the words to her Aretha tribute song, she could pull that ripcord on her wardrobe labeled, "In case of lyrical mishap, pull for wardrobe malfunction." You know, to have people forget about her forgetting the words again... :
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YEP,, D to the J got it right,, if your a female and you screw up,, all you got to do is play,, Look at my BooBs.
I'm surprised anyone with any sort of intelligence even watches the Grammy Awards anymore.
Call me old fashion, but when a song has to resort to profanity and calls for abusing women like they are pieces of meat, that's not music in my book.
Plus I'm sick of these 15 minute wonders and posers like Lady Gag-me and Justin Beaver.
With the exception of country music, the music industry has gone to hell in a handbasket.
Call me old fashion, but when a song has to resort to profanity and calls for abusing women like they are pieces of meat, that's not music in my book.
Plus I'm sick of these 15 minute wonders and posers like Lady Gag-me and Justin Beaver.
With the exception of country music, the music industry has gone to hell in a handbasket.
What? Are you saying country music's already been there for a while? ;D
quadraphonic said:
My answer to this would be a resounding yes...
jal41 said:
If he did it on his own and the FCC fines CBS for it, then I hope CBS turns around and sues him.
The Voice of Reason said:
Tell me about it. 3.5 hours for the last 11 out of 109 awards? What a joke.
The Voice of Reason said:
No, there's still good music. It's just what's being declared as popular that generally sucks.
Also, you can find quite a lot of good music being put out independently -- that is, without the backing of a major record label.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet. I had tape during "Desperate Housewives", which was outstanding. J.R. Ewing died.
But the show has long since lost the right to be an "awards" show. They don't even give out hardly any awards on the air. They send us to a web site to find out the rest. Rihanna was on twice? Arcade Fire was on twice? How about giving out a few more awards instead.
And they sped through the list of people who died. I would have liked to see some longer clips when they showed clips. And in some cases, they had three names on the screen at once and there wasn't time to see who these people were--or if someone's music was being played, you didn't know who.
I liked Herb Ellis on the guitar. What there was of him. I had never heard of him, but I'd like to hear more. The same was probably true with many of those people.
Wonder what all these people who actually want the likes of Lady GaGa and Justin Bieber must think of those ancient clips?
But the show has long since lost the right to be an "awards" show. They don't even give out hardly any awards on the air. They send us to a web site to find out the rest. Rihanna was on twice? Arcade Fire was on twice? How about giving out a few more awards instead.
And they sped through the list of people who died. I would have liked to see some longer clips when they showed clips. And in some cases, they had three names on the screen at once and there wasn't time to see who these people were--or if someone's music was being played, you didn't know who.
I liked Herb Ellis on the guitar. What there was of him. I had never heard of him, but I'd like to hear more. The same was probably true with many of those people.
Wonder what all these people who actually want the likes of Lady GaGa and Justin Bieber must think of those ancient clips?
This was once an awards show that banned rock performers back in the late 50's. And always had a "What's My Line" politeness to it. It didin't catch on to the younger audience until around the Beatles making a splash overdseas. Over the last 5 years It's became like every music awards show, especially when you have Eminem on there.
The only difference is that the Grammy's don't base their acheivements on what was played over the airwaves or what was charted. It judges more on an art form.
The only difference is that the Grammy's don't base their acheivements on what was played over the airwaves or what was charted. It judges more on an art form.
vchimpanzee said:
Hence my comment about only 11 of 109 awards being given out during the live telecast. The pre-telecast ceremony was streamed online, and I imagine it had the meatier, more interesting awards.
Granted, if they were to give out all 109 awards during the telecast, it would be a long show. But it would also give exposure to talented musicians, producers, engineers, and designers who are just as deserving of the exposure the nominees of the "big" awards get.
vchimpanzee said:
Probably the same way they feel about Arcade Fire. [Language warning for the easily offended.]
jal41 said:
While understandable...its actually quite laughable too at the same time. Afterall anyone ( including kids ) can watch the uncensored video on You Tube or download the "dirty" version online so for them to hear "Forget You" knowing the orginal..well its laughable. Now as far as the "F" word is concerned, I just don't see what the big deal is. Hey one can hear words like "F*ck" ( and other stuff worse ) at the local Target as I did yesterday from an irate customer at their pharmacy and yes kids were in that Target too. Last year as Worlds of Fun Theme Park near Kansas City I saw several young people walking around with t-shirts sporting the word "mother-f*cker" on them..and yes the park was full of young children. Last week at Red Lobster a group of us were having lunch only to see a young mother slap her young child and scream at him to "..eat your f*cking food !!". Did I like this? NO !! Did I complain? Well look at it this way..say that you and your child were at McDonalds and some other adult was there with THEIR childing using the F" word over and over..would you tell the parent to watch their language knowning that there is a good chance that they could bust you in the mouth? You know McDonalds, Target, Red Lobster or anyone else won't get involved..free speech ya'know...and an amusement park kicking out people over their shirts?...dream on ! ! !
Kids hear the "F' word in school, movies and more and more music are now using it..kinda hard to stay away from it. No I don't like the "F" word either myself and it does show a lack of class but OTOH I just don't see why this big deal over the use of it either. Its just a word.
It's not really a question of "it happens elsewhere" and it's not about people's reactions to other situations, and it's not really about "free speech ya know." In this case, it's really about prime time tv and the government carrying out the duties they are responsible for. Or that they are not responsible for. If they aren't going to be responsible for those duties, and it's about "free speech" or "the fear of getting punched in the mouth" then why have the FCC at all?
quadraphonic said:
Well that's a whole 'nother story.
But the point is that one of the very few things the FCC cares about is obsenity on the air. You can do all kinds of things with your radio station as long as you don't use the F word. And it seems that every time a Grammy show goes on the air, it flaunts the obsenity rules set down by the government. These aren't broadcaster rules, set up by an industry the music folks don't like. This is a federal crime. And these artists (and I use that word losely) deficate on the people's airwaves, and then walk away to leave someone else to clean it up. That often means a broadcaster has to pay a fine. It's unfair, especially on a show where the CEO tells the audience that it's unfair that broadcasters don't pay a performance royalty, and he's spending millions to lobby the government to force them to pay. Meanwhile, his musicians break the law. If he wants laws to be followed, he should tell his people to show a good example and clean up their language. Not because it's nice, but because it's the law.
Exactly. That's why conflating it with "free speech" and lots of other tangents doesn't really work.
In this case, it's about "the law is the law or it's not."
In this case, it's about "the law is the law or it's not."
I think the F-word (and all others) should be allowed on TV and Radio
quadraphonic said:
It would be nice if it were that simple. But it's not.
"The law" as it concerns acceptable language on broadcast radio and TV is hazy at best. You can search Title 47 of the Code of Federal Regulations (the section that contains the FCC's rules) all you want, and you won't find a clear set of standards as to what constitutes "obscene" or "indecent," how fines are to be imposed, and how large those fines are to be.
Instead, you've got a patchwork of court decisions and FCC precedent, and at the moment much of it is in federal court being challenged, largely in an attempt by broadcasters to establish some clearer guidelines under which to operate.
"The law is the law?" Pray tell, which law?
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