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Fairness Doctrine: The Clock Is Ticking

For the first time, President Bush has come out in opposition to the "Fairness Doctrine"- http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080311-3.html

This might not seem like a big deal to many, but Bush has never explicitely mentioned the Doctrine during his entire tenure in office. Up until this point any discussion of the issue by Federal elected officials has been confined to Congress, the group most likely to manipulate the law for it's own benefit. Bush's opposition means the issue is effectively dead until next year at the earliest.

More importantly, I think it starts the clock on efforts to make sure it never returns. If opponents can prevent it's re-imposition during the next president's first term it's likely that the combination of evolving technology (wireless broadband and the "celestial radio") and court precedent will keep the FD from ever being brought back.

In effect, if we can just keep the beast in it's coffin until 2012 it won't be able to rise from the dead ever again.

Your friend forever,
Biggus
 
I find it funny that someone who has clung to 'executive privilege' so dearly is commenting about the free flow of ideas. ;D
 
BiggusPrimus said:
For the first time, President Bush has come out in opposition to the "Fairness Doctrine"- http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/03/20080311-3.html

This might not seem like a big deal to many, but Bush has never explicitely mentioned the Doctrine during his entire tenure in office. Up until this point any discussion of the issue by Federal elected officials has been confined to Congress, the group most likely to manipulate the law for it's own benefit. Bush's opposition means the issue is effectively dead until next year at the earliest.

More importantly, I think it starts the clock on efforts to make sure it never returns. If opponents can prevent it's re-imposition during the next president's first term it's likely that the combination of evolving technology (wireless broadband and the "celestial radio") and court precedent will keep the FD from ever being brought back.

In effect, if we can just keep the beast in it's coffin until 2012 it won't be able to rise from the dead ever again.

Your friend forever,
Biggus

Biggus sweetie...For the umpteenth time, here is my posting on the subject from August 14, 2007:

From the recent report by the Center for American Progress on talk radio disparity:

From a regulatory perspective, the
Fairness Doctrine was never formally
repealed. The FCC did announce in
1987 that it would no longer enforce
certain regulations under the umbrella
of the Fairness Doctrine, and in 1989
a circuit court upheld the FCC decision.

The Supreme Court, however, has
never overruled the cases that authorized
the FCC’s enforcement of the Fairness
Doctrine. Many legal experts argue that
the FCC has the authority to enforce it
again—thus it technically would not be
considered repealed.


Moreover, the original Communications
Act of 1934 still authorizes the FCC
to require “reasonable access to or to
permit purchase of reasonable amounts
of time” by a legally qualified candidate
for federal elective office, and equal
opportunities must be afforded all other
candidates for that office.

These obligations
come from the same set of concerns
from which the Fairness Doctrine arose.
And Section 315 of the Communications
Act still requires commercial broadcasters
“to operate in the public interest and
to afford reasonable opportunity for the
discussion of confl icting views of issues
of public importance.”

Thus, the public obligations inherent in
the Fairness Doctrine are still in existence
and operative, at least on paper. More
important, the Fairness Doctrine was
never, by itself, an effective tool to ensure
the fair discussion of important issues.

The Fairness Doctrine was most effective
as part of a regulatory structure that
limited license terms to three years, subjected
broadcasters to license challenges
through comparative hearings, required
notice to the local community that licenses
were going to expire, and empowered
the local community through a process
of interviewing a variety of local leaders.
Added to this regulatory structure was
the cooperation of the broadcast industry
through the National Association of
Broadcasters Code of Conduct.

Simply reinstating the Fairness Doctrine
will do little to address the gap
between conservative and progressive
talk unless the underlying elements of
the public trustee doctrine are enforced,
in particular, the requirements of local
accountability and the reasonable airing
of important matters. The key principle
here is not shutting down one perspective
or another—it is making sure that communities
are informed about a range of
local and national public affairs.

In testimony recently before Congressional Democrats, Jones Radio Networks' Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller emphasized that what is at issue is not the Fairness Doctrine, but fairness.

Stephanie does not want to silence the likes of Rush, Sean, Savage and O'Reilly. It would leave Stephanie with nothing to say during the first hour of her own show.

By the way, only Big Eddie and Steph were invited to testify.
 
Sean Gilbow said:
Biggus sweetie...For the umpteenth time, here is my posting on the subject from August 14, 2007:

Thanks.  And again I'll point out that you might want to pass that along to the members of Congress, since they seem to think the Fairness Doctrine is dead.  Hence their deep and abiding interest in bringing it back.  I know, I know...it's hard to believe the "leaders" of our nation aren't nearly as clever and well informed as you and I, but it's a harsh reality we have to learn to accept. 

Speaking of ignorance, perhaps you can help me with some of my own.  I've spent an undue amount of time searching the transcripts of every Congressional hearing since 2000 at the GPO depository (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/chearings/index.html) and I can't seem to find a record of either Mr. Schultz or Ms. Miller appearing.  Those transcripts are supposed to be the official records of Congress, so I think you can understand my surprise at finding all mention of their testimony expurgated from the public records.  I'm normally not conspiracy minded, but it would appear there are forces already active in Congress that are attempting to suppress their remarks. 

Just for my own peace of mind, and before I lodge a formal complaint, can you tell me which Committee they testified for? 

Your friend forever,
Biggus

P.S.- Is it possible you're confusing remarks at a lunchtime chat with actual Congressional testimony?  I'd feel terrible accusing congressional staffers of erasing official documents if all Schultz and Miller actually did is read a speech while munching melon balls and turkey sandwiches. 
 
With a democrat for President or even McCain, who has been ruthlessly attacked by talk radio hosts, and a democrat-controlled congress, I would not be surprized at all to see FD enforced, or come back, or whatever you want to call it.

You know what they say about paybacks.
 
congsec51 said:
With a democrat for President or even McCain, who has been ruthlessly attacked by talk radio hosts, and a democrat-controlled congress, I would not be surprized at all to see FD enforced, or come back, or whatever you want to call it.

You know what they say about paybacks.

That's exactly why we need to fight it so hard. If we can hold back any efforts to re-impose it for a few more years wireless broadband will make it a moot point. After all, when you have an effectively unlimited amount of broadcasting spectrum outside of FCC control the Fairness Doctrine's entire rationale ceases to exist.

Again, I want to point out that this isn't a right/left issue. Elected officials of either party will do anything to stop criticism and they've already demonstrated a willingness to use the FD in those efforts.

Your friend forever,
Biggus
 
Fairness Doctrine--Dead, Dead, Dead

A friend of mine, Dave Daulton, posted this item on Daily Kos on July 6 of last year.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/6/232418/7716/78/354873

If you missed Stephanie on Hannity and Colmes Thursday night, here’s the beginning of the best part:

KAREN HANRETTY (filling in for Hannity): What does this exactly do for the Democratic Party as you're heading into the next election, that the liberal base is out there trying to not only stifle free speech but once again just doesn't understand the basics of the free market system?

STEPHANIE MILLER: Well, let me explain the free market system to you, Karen. My show has about -- oh, I'd say -- triple to quadruple that the right-wing show that's in my time slot. Same thing with Ed Schultz, with Randi Rhodes, with Tom...

HANRETTY: Throughout the country? Throughout the country you have triple their ratings? You have triple their ratings throughout the country?

MILLER: Yes.

HANRETTY: Really?

MILLER: Yes. So let's start with the fact that liberal radio is not failing. If we're going to argue the facts, let's start with what the facts actually are. You know, we're not trying to shut down right-wing radio.

I don't want the Fairness Doctrine, Karen. What I'm interested in is fairness. Why is there 90 percent conservative stations and 10 percent progressive?

HANRETTY: In the San Francisco, in Sacramento media markets -- in the San Francisco and Sacramento media markets, you're getting quadruple the ratings of Armstrong and Getty, which is the largest talk radio show in northern California?

MILLER: Yes, in fact, I just beat Armstrong and Getty in my very first ratings book in San Francisco.

HANRETTY: So then what's your gripe? What problem? I mean, if you're doing so well in the major media market.

MILLER: You know what? Karen, I'll tell you, Karen, what -- what is drawing Democratic lawmakers' attention. That is, for instance, in Ohio, which Howard Dean credited progressive talk, with being part of what helped in Ohio in 2006. They shut down every progressive radio station in Ohio.

In Columbus, where I was on, they replaced us with Michael Savage, Laura Ingraham, a right-wing lineup. The ratings dropped 60 percent. They're in last place now in Columbus. You tell me if that's fair.

----------

Not that it matters. Dave, yours truly and roughly 1500 Steph fans welcomed her back to Columbus two weeks ago.

Not bad for a station on the air for just three months.

Honestly...why would anyone with a right mind (no pun intended) think the Fairness Doctrine debate is more than a distraction from the real issues?
 
Is it me or have we had this discussion about 2 billion times? Here is the condensed version as I see it:

1. Right wing and off-the-edge-of-the-earth right wing radio hosts along with a cadre of bible beating bunko artist alleged radio ministers want to keep their monopoly and "fairness" might jeopardize that.

2. The rest of the world doesn't see "fairness" as a problem.

3. Items #1 will do anything including using lies and half truths to prevent the FD from coming back.

Miss anything?
 
justareporter said:
Is it me or have we had this discussion about 2 billion times? Here is the condensed version as I see it:

1. Right wing and off-the-edge-of-the-earth right wing radio hosts along with a cadre of bible beating bunko artist alleged radio ministers want to keep their monopoly and "fairness" might jeopardize that.

2. The rest of the world doesn't see "fairness" as a problem.

3. Items #1 will do anything including using lies and half truths to prevent the FD from coming back.

Miss anything?

Yup. You forgot to mention those pinko program directors that are conspiring to keep '50s Oldies stations off the air!
 
BiggusPrimus said:
justareporter said:
Miss anything?

Those of us opposed to the Fairness Doctrine are winning?

Oh, and we know if we can stop it for a few more years we win. Forever.

Your friend forever,
Biggus

Interesting how entities like Biggus want to stop something that's already dead.

The FCC chairman says it's a non-issue.
Members of Congress on both sides of the aisle say it's not on the agenda.
And the nation's most popular liberal talkers say it will ruin their shows.

So as Biggus is easily distracted by some non-entity, someone from the left side of the fence will take over the White House, the FCC will have a Democratic majority, and control of radio stations will revert back to smaller owners from the big corporations which have gutted hundreds of stations in the quest for the bottom line--only to start a never-ending spiral of lost jobs, lost revenues and lost stock value.

Those of us who have been active in supporting progressive talk here in Columbus have no desire to discuss the Fairness Doctrine. We were the first market in the country to bring back the format, and we are determined to prove its ability to make a profit in the marketplace of ideas. And we are more than delighted to present the conservative viewpoint voluntarily because it is so entertaining to ridicule.

Just like Biggus.
 
Sean Gilbow said:
Interesting how entities like Biggus want to stop something that's already dead.

It just won't stay dead, unfortunately.

The FCC chairman says it's a non-issue.

An encouraging sign, to be sure, but he just enforces the laws passed by Congress. If Congress re-imposes the FD he has no choice but to follow suit.

Members of Congress on both sides of the aisle say it's not on the agenda.

Except for the ones (Hinchey, Pelosi, Dodd, Kerry, etc...) that say it is.

And the nation's most popular liberal talkers say it will ruin their shows.

As it most assuredly will.

So as Biggus is easily distracted by some non-entity, someone from the left side of the fence will take over the White House, the FCC will have a Democratic majority, and control of radio stations will revert back to smaller owners from the big corporations which have gutted hundreds of stations in the quest for the bottom line--only to start a never-ending spiral of lost jobs, lost revenues and lost stock value.

Sean, I really think we're talking past each other half the time for reasons that have more to do with assumptions about political identity rather than actual belief.

I know we both want the insanely great diversity of opinion that's available on the internet to be available over the airwaves. Up until recently that just wasn't possible because of spectrum scarcity, but the development of wireless broadband can, and I desperately hope will, give radio the opportunity to explode the way cable television did. No, strike that, because broadband radio is going to dwarf cable in terms of sheer variety. It won't be traditional radio broadcasting, but that's a feature, not a bug. With unlimited spectrum comes unlimited opinion and that, my friend, is going to be one of the most glorious things this country and the world at large has ever seen.

We just have to keep politicians from stopping it.

Those of us who have been active in supporting progressive talk here in Columbus have no desire to discuss the Fairness Doctrine. We were the first market in the country to bring back the format, and we are determined to prove its ability to make a profit in the marketplace of ideas.

But why settle for just one station? Or why settle for just Columbus? If we can just hold off the authoritarian state for a few more years you can have every kind of talk imaginable and make boatloads of money at the same time.

And we are more than delighted to present the conservative viewpoint voluntarily because it is so entertaining to ridicule.

Just like Biggus.

Sean, you're an Amway salesman. Ridicule would be redundant.

Woot!

Your friend forever,
Biggus
 
BiggusPrimus said:
Sean, you're an Amway salesman. Ridicule would be redundant.

WRONG!!

I left that business nearly five years ago.

If you took the time to look on the WVKO advertiser page, you would notice a link to www.CleanLeft.com. Upon clicking the link, you would have found out more about the all-natural cleaning product line I've advertised on the station. And at the bottom on the page, you would find a link to information on the SFI Marketing Group, with which I am affiliated.

Simply put, as I say on my website, my products make the product lines of Amway/Quixtar (as well as Procter & Gamble, Clorox, Colgate, Unilever, etc.) similar to WMDs.

The reason I don't discuss it much here is because the editors might think I am looking for some sort of free plug. I have committed to $4,000 in advertising with WVKO through the end of this year, which included sponsoring Stephanie Miller's appearance two weeks ago (with 1500 people filling the Makoy Center in Hilliard, where I used to attend Amway meetings).

One editor already removed two of my posts in response to you, one of which I know you read. While I will admit to going over the top, this latest rumor-mongering on the Fairness Doctrine (one of several over the past 8 months) is nothing more than a distraction aimed at taking voter focus away from the real issues.

On our end...

Ed Schultz briefly mentioned it.
Stephanie Miller was on vacation.
Bill Press didn't discuss it.
And if Rachel Maddow is any indication, the hosts on Air America had no interest in Bush's comments.

Stephanie is putting together a new 30-second for my business to air on WVKO. If you continue your ways, Biggus, be prepared for a visit from Momma in her dominatrix outfit from a 1997 indie film, "Just Write." Having seen her in person, she can probably fit into it much better than she did a decade ago.

I would love to continue this diversion, Biggus. But I am also the official gay pageant contestant of The Stephanie Miller Show. And I competing tonight to be the very first Mr. Columbus Gay Pride.

Amway indeed. ::)
 
Sean Gilbow says

"Stephanie Miller's appearance two weeks ago (with 1500 people filling the Makoy Center in Hilliard, where I used to attend Amway meetings)."

Putting the words"Stephanie Miller Makoy Center" into Google, I find numerous links(269, to be exact), but NONE under the news section of Google, which is widely considered the world leader for search engines.

You say 1500 progressives? From fundamental-truths-blogspot.com "About 1000 progressives packed the house at the Makoy Center." http://fundamental-truths.blogspot.com/2008/03/stephanie-miller.html

You say 1500 progressives? From Ohio15th.blogspot.com "There were close to 500 people in attendance at the Makoy Center in Hilliard, Ohio." http://ohio15th.blogspot.com/2008/03/huge-democratic-party.html

So, which is it? 1500? 1000? 500? Big disparity between the 1500 and 500 people mentioned. And why is there no mainstream press coverage?

Not disputing her drawing power. 500 fannies in the seats to see her IS impressive, 1500 even more so. So, who is not telling the truth?

You can say that there is a story online in the Columbus Dispatch about her, but nothing about the show/reception itself. Why is that? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
BiggusPrimus said:
congsec51 said:
With a democrat for President or even McCain, who has been ruthlessly attacked by talk radio hosts, and a democrat-controlled congress, I would not be surprized at all to see FD enforced, or come back, or whatever you want to call it.

You know what they say about paybacks.

That's exactly why we need to fight it so hard. If we can hold back any efforts to re-impose it for a few more years wireless broadband will make it a moot point. After all, when you have an effectively unlimited amount of broadcasting spectrum outside of FCC control the Fairness Doctrine's entire rationale ceases to exist.

Again, I want to point out that this isn't a right/left issue. Elected officials of either party will do anything to stop criticism and they've already demonstrated a willingness to use the FD in those efforts.

Your friend forever,
Biggus

In order to feel you need to fight it you would have to feel that the absence of the FD has made radio wonderful. Few would say that. Radio is a vast wasteland. Under the Bush Administration we have had the FCC rear its ugly head on issues of indecency, childrens programming, and, now, localism. Now Bush is all about "free" speech- where was he on that after the Janet Jackson Debacle? Where does he stand on Gangsta rap? Why does NPR need an Ombudsman? If the conservatives get their kind of speech regulation (with the complicit support of many dems, who knew full well where this slippery slope was heading) you can bet the liberals will say they deserve theirs. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. If Americans didn't get up in a snit over the "indecency" crackdown, you can bet your derier they won't get in one over something as minor as the fairness doctrine. Most americans don't listen to talk and liberals who do are already operating under the FD when they listen to NPR. In the humble opinions of those majority of Americans who beleive Rush is full of it, what would a local review board and some equal time hurt? Good enough for NPR is good enough for Clear Channel.
 
Under the Bush Administration we have had the FCC rear its ugly head on issues of indecency, childrens programming, and, now, localism.

Given their attitude toward regulation, you can bet that no one in the Bush administration wanted to open the localism issue. They were frog-marched into it by Congress and the Democrats on the FCC, because the radio consolidators did such a poor job that even the Joe on the street started to notice. Kevin Martin threw the radio companies overboard to save his overall media "big get bigger" scheme. That's fine by the Murdochs and the Redstones of the world. Radio consolidators committed an unforgivable sin in their eyes -- they performed so poorly they actually woke up the public and drew its attention to the inside goings-on at America's most captive regulatory agency, the FCC.
 
"Liberals don't need their own network, they already have one. It's called NPR."--Howie Carr

An article from Pajamas Media about how NPR decided to air some very brief conservative views.
Some listeners of National PROGRESSIVE Radio objected. Of course, even though both liberals
and conservatives pay taxes to help fund NPR, far be it for rightie views to actually get on the
air, don'tcha know.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/03/npr_is_national_progressive_ra.php

>>The Washington Times reports that for daring to air the views of conservatives on its morning drive show during the final four days of February, NPR fielded “more than 60 angry e-mails and phone calls … calling the programming ‘shameful’ and a ‘lovefest with radical, right-wing nuts.’ There were only a few … that praised the series as ‘refreshing’ and ‘articulate,’ among other things.”

28 minutes of programming right wing views in a year? For shame! :) (They'd like ZERO.)

Pam Meister also says that if you want a Fairness Doctrine, be prepared for a LOT more conservative voices on
NPR and she opines that while liberals claim to be tolerant they don't want to actually have to listen to another
viewpoint. (My opinion is that liberal talk radio is fine, as long as it's well done and can compete in the marketplace.
Put a product on that people--both sides--will want to hear and (in terms of commercial radio) advertisers will
want to sponsor. Let it compete in the free marketplace of ideas and, if well done, it will thrive.

Jay Leno: "“They say the purpose of Air America will be to balance out all the conservatives in the media, except, of course for NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the New York Times. Other than that.” (He forgot Boston Globe, MSNBC,
Michael Moore, Rolling Stone...)
 
Poor liberals. Nothing's ever fair. Why don't they spend millions to buy the stations so they can program them as they like? What's fair is that CC can turn a PT station into a RW talker and fall off the ratings map.
 
raccoonradio said:
"Liberals don't need their own network, they already have one. It's called NPR."--Howie Carr

An article from Pajamas Media about how NPR decided to air some very brief conservative views.
Some listeners of National PROGRESSIVE Radio objected. Of course, even though both liberals
and conservatives pay taxes to help fund NPR, far be it for rightie views to actually get on the
air, don'tcha know.

http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/03/npr_is_national_progressive_ra.php

>>The Washington Times reports that for daring to air the views of conservatives on its morning drive show during the final four days of February, NPR fielded “more than 60 angry e-mails and phone calls … calling the programming ‘shameful’ and a ‘lovefest with radical, right-wing nuts.’ There were only a few … that praised the series as ‘refreshing’ and ‘articulate,’ among other things.”

28 minutes of programming right wing views in a year? For shame! :) (They'd like ZERO.)

Pam Meister also says that if you want a Fairness Doctrine, be prepared for a LOT more conservative voices on
NPR and she opines that while liberals claim to be tolerant they don't want to actually have to listen to another
viewpoint. (My opinion is that liberal talk radio is fine, as long as it's well done and can compete in the marketplace.
Put a product on that people--both sides--will want to hear and (in terms of commercial radio) advertisers will
want to sponsor. Let it compete in the free marketplace of ideas and, if well done, it will thrive.

Jay Leno: "“They say the purpose of Air America will be to balance out all the conservatives in the media, except, of course for NPR, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, and the New York Times. Other than that.” (He forgot Boston Globe, MSNBC,
Michael Moore, Rolling Stone...)

Old news indeed. The Washington Times and its owner the reverend Sun Mung Yoon (er something like that) must be scraping the bottom of the barrel for topics- I guess Mr. Obama really isn't a Muslum, dang what a story. NPR has an Ombudsman put in place by the president to oversee the content (thank you big brother!) and the FCC has secretly investigated bias at taxpayer expense (and discovered there isn't any). You know this raccoon and diggin up Leno's tired routine from years ago (which has been posted here a dozen times) really falls flat, especially after the glorious 4th estate you mentioned has become a bunch of titilation obsessed whores for hollywood and is about as liberal as John McCain (all the sources you cited failed to get the the bottom of the WMD story- hey at least the NYT apologized for whoring itself out to the warmongers- 4000 dead soldiers must be thanking them). I don't know which version of Tucker Carlson or Lou Dobbs you are getting these days or how to go 2 minutes on Wolf Blitzer without hearing the Republican viewpoint, but you must be watching some different cable feed than I get. As for NPR, I swear they have the Cato Institute and the American Enterprise Institute on speed dial, and waste no time interviewing the administration official/spin artist du jour. If you are looking for a liberal media outlet in this country, you will be hard pressed indeed. 60 angry e-mails? My god, that sounds like a paltry sum. The Washington Times is showing its true colors throwing red meat to right wingers. I'm sure the average political show gets hundreds of e-mails. As for the "threat" that the fairness doctrine will hurt NPR, go ahead. NPR is the fairest source of information availbale in our country (which isn't saying much). Since they already have programming oversight boards and the rest of the notions the FCC wants to put in place, they already have the necessary bureaucracy to deal with the requirements. The fairness doctrine will hurt Conservative radio slightly and NPR will be just fine. But points to the Washington Times and for trying to change the story. I wonder if all of its 50 readers enjoyed the story? And props to Pajamas media. Raccoon, I think I spend to much time dredging the web, but Pajamas media? Let's try keep the sources top notch, like Drudge.
 
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