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FALL 1970 Ratings/Progressive Myth

Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

Have you looked at KLOS numbers?
Plus, Ladd is essentialy doing
overnights. Big time player,
what a joke.
 
Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

Even if he's better than most guys on the air today,
you have to realize that damn few live personalities
are on the air. Was he better than B Mitchell Reed,
Jimmy Rabbitt, or even Geno M, I doubt it.

Jim Ladd is the last of the free form DJ's and one of it's
> best. He is a legend and is deserving of that title. He is
> still better than 99% of the people on the air today.
>
 
Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

> Even if he's better than most guys on the air today,
> you have to realize that damn few live personalities
> are on the air. Was he better than B Mitchell Reed,
> Jimmy Rabbitt, or even Geno M, I doubt it.

Enough.

Your diatribes have become little more than potshots with nothing that constitutes a basis for your opinion. Once, tolerable. Twice, annoying.

Now, put up or shut up. If you want to do an honest critique, go ahead. But no more ranting.
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1970 was soooo..long ago. Hey I was there back in 1970 and like many who sampled L.A. radio then I witnessed boring, burnt jocks, vapid tunes, self-indulgent artists and crappy Top 40 all over the AM dial. Yes there were exceptions but on the whole, in 70-71, L.A. was plastic-land. Some may worship the Real Don Steele-I thought he was a joke. By 1971 KHJ was toast, except noone really knew it at the time. Hey it was 71!

KROQ-FM has more legs than any of the tired concepts from the boomer era.
 
> 1970 was soooo..long ago. Hey I was there back in 1970 and
> like many who sampled L.A. radio then I witnessed boring,
> burnt jocks, vapid tunes, self-indulgent artists and crappy
> Top 40 all over the AM dial. Yes there were exceptions but
> on the whole, in 70-71, L.A. was plastic-land. Some may
> worship the Real Don Steele-I thought he was a joke. By 1971
> KHJ was toast, except noone really knew it at the time. Hey
> it was 71!

Apparently plastic did well in the ratings, though. You must have been having a really bad year to be so bitter.

> KROQ-FM has more legs than any of the tired concepts from
> the boomer era.

KROQ was still unknown in 1970; 1500 was KBBQ and 106.7 was KPPC. And KROQ was pretty iffy until Rick Carroll arrived to create the "Rock of the 80s" format. It only "has legs" because there was a way for it to evolve; by comparison, KHJ was killed by the growing popularity of FM, and there was no evolution of the format that could save it.

In other words, you are comparing apples and oranges. Who knows what would have happened if RKO had moved KHJ to 101.1 and put the oldies on 930?
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An interesting question about moving KHJ to 101 and oldies to 930. Has any major AM top 40 station ever moved to the FM dial other than by simulcasting? I was thinking maybe KIIS but it was really just a simulcast.
 
Ladd is the Last DJ

Jim Ladd was and is in the same league as B. Mitchell Reed, Scott Muni, Charles Laquidara or any of the other great radio free formers. He's one of the best. Certainly at the head table. Southern California is lucky to be able to still enjoy the art the Ladd creates on the airwaves.
 
Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

KMR is a good friend of Ladd's, thus the curious protectionism. Take a shot at David E. and you can expect the same sort of intervention.

> Enough.
>
> Your diatribes have become little more than potshots with
> nothing that constitutes a basis for your opinion. Once,
> tolerable. Twice, annoying.
>
> Now, put up or shut up. If you want to do an honest
> critique, go ahead. But no more ranting.
>
 
> An interesting question about moving KHJ to 101 and oldies
> to 930. Has any major AM top 40 station ever moved to the FM
> dial other than by simulcasting? I was thinking maybe KIIS
> but it was really just a simulcast.

KTNQ, after 1020 was sold, displaced the country format on sister station KGBS-FM, becoming K-Hits 97, for several months in 1978-79.
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Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

> KMR is a good friend of Ladd's, thus the curious
> protectionism. Take a shot at David E. and you can expect
> the same sort of intervention.

You're not looking at the big picture again, Flip. I've taken a similar stance on the San Diego board with regards to Mark Larsen, who I don't even know.
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> An interesting question about moving KHJ to 101 and oldies
> to 930. Has any major AM top 40 station ever moved to the FM
> dial other than by simulcasting? I was thinking maybe KIIS
> but it was really just a simulcast.
>
Best example I can think of (it's early Sunday morning) is WAPE
Jacksonville. They were on 690 forever...moved it to 95.1
Now, more coffee.
But first...strangest AM/FM combo was KJ100 Louisville in the early 80's.
They didn't simulcast...but...the music on the AM was 15 minutes behind
the FM. They hyped "when you hear your favortie tune on KJ100-FM...
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> An interesting question about moving KHJ to 101 and oldies
> to 930. Has any major AM top 40 station ever moved to the FM
> dial other than by simulcasting? I was thinking maybe KIIS
> but it was really just a simulcast.
>

In market 13, Mike Joseph moved WKAQ's CHR from 580 AM to FM in the late 70's without losing a beat. The AM became all-news. The FM became the model for his "hot hits" format, too.
 
It looks like in 1970 Pulse was better than Arbitron at including ethnic audiences in their sample. Pulse showed both an R&B and Spansh station in the top 10,Arb did not.





Brian:
> I'm guessing the ratings you quote were from ARB. I've
> got Pulse numbers from Fall of '70...and they're pretty
> close in some areas, different in others:
>
> 1 KABC 790 AM Talk 10.7
> 2 KHJ 930 AM Top 40 9.0
> 3 KGFJ 1230 AM R &B 6.2
> 4 KFWB 980 AM News 5.7
> 5 KPOL 1540 AM Beautiful Music 4.2
> 6 KRLA 1110 AM Top 40 4.0
> 7 KMPC 710 AM MOR 3.7
> 8 KALI 1430 AM Spanish 3.2
> 8 KBCA 105.1 FM Jazz 3.2
> 8 KFOX 1280 AM Country 3.2
> 11 KFAC 1330 AM Classical 2.7
> 12 KIIS 1150 AM Adult Contemporary 2.5
> 12 KNX 1070 AM News 2.5
> 12 XETRA 690 AM Beautiful Music 2.5
> 15 KFI 640 AM MOR 2.2
> 15 KHJ 101.1 FM Adult Contemporary 2.2
> 15 KMET 94.7 FM Album Rock 2.2
> 15 KWKW 1300 AM Spanish 2.2
> 19 KEZY 1190 AM Top 40 2.0
> 19 KWST 105.9 FM Beautiful Music 2.0
> 21 KOST 103.5 FM Beautiful Music 1.7
> 21 KWIZ 1480 AM Oldies 1.7
> 23 KLAC 570 AM Country 1.5
> 23 KPPC 106.7 FM Album Rock 1.5
> 25 KUTE 101.9 FM R &B 1.2
> 26 KDAY 1580 AM Top 40 1.0
> 26 KSRF 103.1 FM Beautiful Music 1.0
> 26 XEGM 950 AM R &B 1.0
> 29 KGBS 1020 AM Adult Contemporary 0.7
> 30 KGIL 1260 AM MOR 0.5
> 30 KPOL 93.9 FM Beautiful Music 0.5
> 32 KABC 95.5 FM Album Rock 0.2
> 32 KBBQ 1500 AM Country 0.2
> 32 KNAC 105.5 FM Album Rock 0.2
>
>
> While the point of your post was the relatively poor showing
> of album rock stations, it had only been three years since
> KPPC and then KMET got in the game. But between them there
> was a 3.7 rating....that would have been worth a tie for 7th
> place with KMPC. Factor in the 0.2 each from KABC-FM and
> KNAC and it's a 4.1, which would make 6th place...ahead of
> KRLA. It's also worth noting that in Pulse, KMET is tied for
> #2 FM (behind KBCA) with KHJ-FM. Any station or format with
> that kind of growth curve in 3 years is going to have an
> impact. And during that time, KHJ's numbers had fallen from
> an 11.6 to a 9.0.
>
> In Fall, 1971, KLOS cleaned KMET's clock...taking a 2.7
> rating and sending KMET down to a 0.7. And, as you noted,
> it was KLOS that really made a difference. Pulse shows them
> moving to a 3.2 in Fall '72 and then to a 4.1 (tied for 4th
> place) in Fall '73. By that point, KHJ was pulling a 6.0.
>
> ---Michael Hagerty
>
 
Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

Oh I forgot you're a consultant, how long has it
been since you had a job KM?
 
Ouch

Hey Collins, Chill-lax

> Oh I forgot you're a consultant, how long has it
> been since you had a job KM?
>
 
Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

Thanks for the heads up, I figured something was up. Like
I was calling out the President or something. Yet I've seen
less known jocks receive unjustified critiques. Go figure.


> KMR is a good friend of Ladd's, thus the curious
> > protectionism. Take a shot at David E. and you can expect
> > the same sort of intervention.
>
> You're not looking at the big picture again, Flip. I've
> taken a similar stance on the San Diego board with regards
> to Mark Larsen, who I don't even know.
>
 
Re: Ouch

> Hey Collins, Chill-lax
>
> > Oh I forgot you're a consultant, how long has it
> > been since you had a job KM?

Like I have any incentive to answer him.

The bills get paid, that's all you need to know, dude.
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Re: FALL 1970 Ratings/KMET sucks

> Thanks for the heads up, I figured something was up. Like
> I was calling out the President or something. Yet I've seen
> less known jocks receive unjustified critiques. Go figure.

If you were actually critiquing, I wouldn't have a problem. But you aren't, so I do.

Kinda like the "you're a consultant, when was the last time you had a job?" quip elsewhere in the thread. Perhaps it's because it would actually take you a few minutes to make a post with substance?

Oh, and the reason I don't defend myself to you: Anyone reading can tell you're taking unjustified potshots.
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KIIS did something similar in 1984...with the AM playing the same songs in the same sequence as the FM, but with different jocks....in that case, the music was more like 15 seconds apart.

---Michael Hagerty


> They didn't simulcast...but...the music on the AM was 15
> minutes behind
> the FM. They hyped "when you hear your favortie tune on
> KJ100-FM...
> hear it again in minutes on KJ100-AM". Couldn't save the
> AM...
>
 
Yes, but if KHTZ ever sounded like KTNQ, it didn't last long. And the moves were part of a sale (Storer selling the AM to one company, the FM to another), so it was really more the creation of a new Top 40 on FM, with some of the jocks from the AM (though, again, within a few weeks, the only survivor was Charlie Tuna).

---Michael Hagerty
>
> KTNQ, after 1020 was sold, displaced the country format on
> sister station KGBS-FM, becoming K-Hits 97, for several
> months in 1978-79.
>
 
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