Fall Book

[tbolt909]

Another book recorded for posterity.

WYRK is living the dream with no Country competitors.
Xmas Muzak didn't elevate STAR very much, while MIX is even
less compelling.
107.7 posts another feeble 1.2 mark.
The Lake format used to deliver 3 shares or better consistently.

WBFO is not listed, so they aren't cutting a check to Nielsen.
NPR provides the only safe harbour for "thinking adults"...

 

[dand5780]

NPR provides the only safe harbour for "thinking adults"...

LOL, or they all fell asleep while listening. The 9.1 is a better choice.

 

[flybynight]

LOL, or they all fell asleep while listening. The 9.1 is a better choice.

Yeah, I thought that too until I realized that NPR isn't the liberal stomping ground that I'd been led to believe it was. I admittedly and foolishly let that rap prevent me from ever really sampling it...until this past year when I finally had enough of right-wing stupi-blather. That's not a condemnation of conservatism, more a criticism of how dumb WBEN's programs are.

NPR actually broadcasts a lot of interesting info. WBEN has become little more than right-wing theater of the absurd.

And don't let that 9.1 fool you. Buffalo is an older-skewing market to begin with, which helps those predictably top-heavy demos stoke that 6+ share, more-so than many other similar or larger younger markets. Also, heaps of heritage and lots of weather issues have prevented WBEN from nosediving in the ratings the way most newstalkers (with many of the same shows) have plummeted around the country in the last few years. Even in a notoriously conservative major market like Dallas, where newstalk WBAP (with Rush & friends) was often #1 and always in the top 3, it is now in 25th place. That is NOT a fluke.

The powers-that-be at the biggest owners of the format---all highly leveraged---have finally decided to just ride the format out the way it is and let it die on the vine. Nowhere are they even trying to veer away from the wingnuttery any longer. Total surrender to a trajectory ending in demographic oblivion. Sad.

 

[dand5780]

Yeah, I thought that too until I realized that NPR isn't the liberal stomping ground that I'd been led to believe it was. I admittedly and foolishly let that rap prevent me from ever really sampling it...until this past year when I finally had enough of right-wing stupi-blather. That's not a condemnation of conservatism, more a criticism of how dumb WBEN's programs are.

NPR actually broadcasts a lot of interesting info. WBEN has become little more than right-wing theater of the absurd.

Well as I keep saying, WBEN broadcasts news, NPR (WBFO) doesn't. There are a few political talk shows on WBEN, and if that's not what you like, you're on the wrong station. I used to listen to KB1520, all of those shows were left-wing theater, and alas, none made it to WBEN. Because, no one listens to them.

I've been trying lately to listen to WBFO. It's difficult, because it's just a seemingly never ending supply of useless drivel.

And don't let that 9.1 fool you. Heaps of heritage and lots of weather issues have prevented WBEN from nosediving in the ratings the way most newstalkers (with many of the same shows) have plummeted around the country in the last few years.

It can't fool me, because I don't care. I have no interest in the station as an advertiser or employee. This board interests me only because what's on the radio interests me.

Give me a break, though. "Lots of weather issues" caused people to flock to the "right-wing theater of the absurd."

LOL, no. It's the news, traffic, and weather station, and the place where Buffalo comes to, to talk.

Of course, if they don't like the station that much, they could always write to the newspaper and have them come save them when they're stranded, right?

 

[flybynight]

Give me a break, though. "Lots of weather issues" caused people to flock to the "right-wing theater of the absurd."

Yeah, actually, that's why the service elements are promoted so heavily throughout the day. Are you really in radio? Seriously?

It's the news, traffic, and weather station, and the place where Buffalo comes to, to talk.

Are you Tim Wenger?

Of course, if they don't like the station that much, they could always write to the newspaper and have them come save them when they're stranded, right?

There you have it ladies & gentlemen: This is why you do publicity stunts. You get knuckleheads thinking you're "the station that saves people!" LOL He'll probably write it in the diary too, so they better claim that positioner fast!

 

[dand5780]

Yeah, actually, that's why the service elements are promoted so heavily throughout the day. Are you really in radio? Seriously?

No question about it. That's why I keep saying, it's a news station. Yet you keep saying it's a right wing looney bin. Simply because a few of the hosts are right of center.

The left wing shows you don't speak of, though.

 

[flybynight]

No question about it. That's why I keep saying, it's a news station. Yet you keep saying it's a right wing looney bin. Simply because a few of the hosts are right of center.

A few? Try ALL. Spin much?

The left wing shows you don't speak of, though.

Like many, you automatically assume I seek out shows based on some political ideology. I don't. Shows that have a political agenda are usually boring and predictable.

I want to be informed with actual facts and hopefully entertained in the process. Most talk shows these days, which are predominantly conservative, offer nothing but blather. Lots of cutting the corners off of facts to make a square peg fit in a round hole. They customize the "facts" to make their argument reach the preordained conclusion, which is that this one side is always right and that other side is always wrong. Not just predictable and boring, but often dishonest.

 

[SirRoxalot]

Translation: "Left wing" to a WBEN listener = centrist or slightly right of center to a regular WBEN listener. Is there a show that's not far to t he right on WBEN?

 

[dand5780]

Translation: "Left wing" to a WBEN listener = centrist or slightly right of center to a regular WBEN listener. Is there a show that's not far to t he right on WBEN?

There's one that's far to the left, along with many that have absolutely nothing to do with politics.

 

[SirRoxalot]

Which is the "far left" show? There aren't many that "have absolutely nothing to do with politics" Monday through Friday - especially during hours when the audience is most likely to listen. Yeah, there are a lot of thinly-disguised or undisguised infomercials on the weekend. I'm sure that the numbers on those are impressive.

 

[Element9]

here's a link: http://ratings.****************/cgi-bin/rol.exe/arb037

It looks like WBEN got a nice bump from Snow-vember. To its credit, the station was all over the storm with local news, weather, traffic, phones and live and local personalities in morning, early midday and afternoon drive. The 65+ crowd probably stayed tuned for hours upon hours.

 

[dand5780]

Which is the "far left" show?

Meet the Press.

There aren't many that "have absolutely nothing to do with politics" Monday through Friday - especially during hours when the audience is most likely to listen.

Sure there are. Coast to Coast AM, Buffalo's Early News, Beach & Company, Tom Bauerle. The last two discuss politics but aren't political talk hosts. If you don't agree, I don't know what to tell you. The Movie Show with Cinema Bob is heard every Friday. Buffalo icons and Christmas presents were the topics on Bauerle yesterday. I don't need to go through the whole list of topics.

Yeah, there are a lot of thinly-disguised or undisguised infomercials on the weekend.

Does that matter? If you have a home improvement, financial, or tax question, or if those topics are of interest to you, they are great shows to listen to.

I'm sure that the numbers on those are impressive.

And once again, a listener doesn't care about that. Now even though I have no idea how many listeners is considered 'impressive" to you, it looks like the Saturday 3-4 time slot is getting over 10,000.

 

[flybynight]

Meet the Press.


Sure there are. Coast to Coast AM, Buffalo's Early News, Beach & Company, Tom Bauerle. The last two discuss politics but aren't political talk hosts. If you don't agree, I don't know what to tell you. The Movie Show with Cinema Bob is heard every Friday. Buffalo icons and Christmas presents were the topics on Bauerle yesterday. I don't need to go through the whole list of topics.


Does that matter? If you have a home improvement, financial, or tax question, or if those topics are of interest to you, they are great shows to listen to.


And once again, a listener doesn't care about that. Now even though I have no idea how many listeners is considered 'impressive" to you, it looks like the Saturday 3-4 time slot is getting over 10,000.

Ted Bundy wasn't mean to everybody. That, however, didn't make him any less a serial killer.

While this is obviously hyperbole, if you don't get the metaphor, I don't know what to tell you.

And based on your spin---I mean criteria, there really isn't even ONE single conservative talk station in the country. Of course many PD's & OM's who intentionally program them that way would disagree.

 

[dand5780]

Ted Bundy wasn't mean to everybody. That, however, didn't make him any less a serial killer.

While this is obviously hyperbole, if you don't get the metaphor, I don't know what to tell you.

You don't need to tell me anything. I know what they are. Just like I know what those who write the daily snoozepaper are.

I'm sure the people making up the 9.1 know, too.

The same three folks or so complain about this station every quarter here, yet it's still in the top 2 or 3 spots every time.

They'll praise a station that isn't even on the list, though, and that can't get the listeners to pay their bills. LOL

 

[SirRoxalot]

If you mean WBFO, it's on the list, just not the public one. Non-subscribers aren't shown. You knew that, of course. C'mon, admit that you work for Entercom, and shill for WBEN. It's a little tough to spin things to media people who are more than familiar with the process. Just who do you think you're going to fool?

We all know that the public numbers are simply "beauty pageant" numbers, and that the demos are what really count with most advertisers.

 

[Mark1981]

FYI -- For whatever reason, public radio numbers are not released with the commercial data by Nielsen, and before that, Arbitron. But WNED/WBFO does subscribe to all four books, and the top line numbers are publicly available at the Radio Research Consortium website. The Fall numbers for our market were released his afternoon. WBFO has a 3.3 share. WNED-FM has a 2.0. These are 12+. WBFO's numbers place it at number ten, beating out WEDG and WBUF. I no longer have access to 25-54 data. But I'd bet the gap between WBFO and WBEN narrows in that demographic. I'm sure Dan will be chiming in. He has me laughing out loud by his very skewed view of our market. He tells us WBFO has no news when I've been listening to the most exhaustive coverage available on radio in our market about the massacre in France. Tom Bauerle and Sandy Beach aren't about politics? Yeah, right! Whatever! This is a board full of opinions. But a show of hands here of those reading this board who are taking Dan seriously. Kudos to WBEN. I posted David Field's letter about the state of radio on another site. He publicly recognized WBEN for its storm coverage. I'm not going to sit here and criticize it. I listened. It was good stuff. But WBEN's built-in talk show format makes it much easier for them to zero in on storm coverage than other radio stations. Even then, by the weekend, the discussion was starting to veer into politics, so much so that I turned it off.

 

[TheBigA]

FYI -- For whatever reason, public radio numbers are not released with the commercial data by Nielsen

Perhaps it's because Buffalo is a diary market. In PPM markets, noncommercial subscribing stations are included.

 

[Element9]

Well, there you have it. Meet The Press is liberal and Beach and Bauerle are not political talk show hosts. Congratulations dand, you just dropped more horse sh*t in this thread than California Chrome.

 

[dand5780]

Well, there you have it. Meet The Press is liberal and Beach and Bauerle are not political talk show hosts. Congratulations dand, you just dropped more horse sh*t in this thread than California Chrome.

Excellent.

I'm sure those two will be talking about snow tomorrow, like all political talk show hosts do, right?

And during the final hour of Beach, they will be reviewing movies, because that's what the right wing does, right?

That's what I thought.

 

[SirRoxalot]

Anybody want to bet that a Democrat mayor, Democrat county executive, or Democrat governor gets blamed for not handling the storm correctly?