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FCC Get KO'd...Could HD be next?

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It's seems what the FCC did with BPL proceeding is VERY simular to what happened with I-BLOC. No independant research, and flawed logic.

I could see this line rewritten (with I-BLOC instead):
"It is obvious that the FCC was overzealous in its advocacy of BPL, and that resulted in a rather blatant cover-up of the technical facts surrounding its interference potential," ARRL general counsel Christopher Imlay said in a statement. "Both BPL and Amateur Radio would be better off had the FCC dealt with the interference potential in an honest and forthright manner at the outset."
 
Excellent, Hamsters! Kudos to the ARRL! Reminds me - I owe Congressman Dingell a call - I'll be sure to pass this link along. Thanks for the post, audiophile.
 
Yes and the ARRL really got behind this one, this is what we need to do with iBlock, it's potentially much more detrimental then BPL.
 
Savage said:
Excellent, Hamsters! Kudos to the ARRL! Reminds me - I owe Congressman Dingell a call - I'll be sure to pass this link along. Thanks for the post, audiophile.

"Judge tells FCC to rework powerline broadband regulations"

"In its ruling, the three-judge panel said that federal law required the FCC to make all portions of the studies available, and that the Commission didn't adequately explain how it arrived at its criteria for determining when a BPL signal causes harmful interference."

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/pos...o-rework-powerline-broadband-regulations.html

"NAB to Seek FCC Approval of Major IBOC Power Boost"

"For some broadcasters, however, the fact that the NAB has apparently signed on to the recommendation without first revealing details of this rather secretive study to its general membership is both striking and troubling."

http://radiomagonline.com/digital_radio_update/digital-radio-update-020608/

This seems like a perfect chance to go after the FCC, and put an end to the IBOC jammers.
 
gumbyandpokie999 said:
What I still dont quite get is with Cable,fios,DSL,wireless,cellular ,why in the <BEEP> do we need BPL?
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Because the Cable,fios,DSL,wireless,and cellular companies are claiming to make lotsa money off of something the power companies don't have. ::)
 
I always respected the ARRL – GOOD FOR THEM!!! The BPL “technology” was a farce, and one the FCC SHOULD HAVE TURNED-DOWN ON FACE VALUE. I never understood that ruling, but now, I guess I do... Government up for sale! What’s next? ...IBOC trashing the nighttime AM band? ...This could get very interesting! Thank Goodness [sometimes] for men in black robes!
 
CAREFUL with that one, Hippo my man. "Guys in black robes" cuts BOTH ways.

I vastly prefer an objective, alert, active legislature with interests other than getting reelected. All-too-rare qualities these days.

Observe how administrative action and court decisions are being pursued by "special interests" to circumvent the lawmaking process these days. That's how we got into the iBiquity mess in the first place.
 
I fundamentally agree with you, Bob... BUT... [don’t you love that three-letter preposition?]

I vastly prefer an objective, alert, active legislature with interests to do-good other than just getting reelected. All-too-rare qualities these days. Let's just get back to the simple issue of promoting AM radio and making the band viable!

I AGREE, Bob, that’s a congratulatory paradigm that doesn’t affect the current situation—not the post-sunset interference from WBZ upon your upgraded facility. BAD... and more BAD!

Iniquity needs to be before FEDERAL COURT to account for their lies before a regulatory panel - and the the court under pergury statutes. They need to tell the truth.

The mere survival of the AM band depends on that outcome... It could be a nice day!

I feel we have MAJOR AGREEMENT on this issue!
 
Savage said:
CAREFUL with that one, Hippo my man. "Guys in black robes" cuts BOTH ways.

I vastly prefer an objective, alert, active legislature with interests other than getting reelected. All-too-rare qualities these days.

Observe how administrative action and court decisions are being pursued by "special interests" to circumvent the lawmaking process these days. That's how we got into the iBiquity mess in the first place.

I've wondered if an FCC appointed by Obamination, the Arkansas BillHillaries, or McClaim will care to do anything about iHASH. Probably not. More lawyers bought and paid for by iBquity. Corrupt stooges.
 
I would guess (and in fact, hope) that none of the candidates give a rat's backside about HD Radio. There are far more significant things for the President to worry about. Besides, if the downward trend for HD Radio on AM continues, it will become less popular than C-QUAM by 2010.
 
The difference between BPL and iBlock is that the ARRL is a 2 million plus ham radio club which represents many of them (I'm a member), it has been around for close to 100 years and has fought BPL in a very organized way for a while now. It is respected and recognized by many politicians. What would broadcast radio's equivalent be? NAB? Unfortunately they are on the wrong side it seems.
 
The NAB is another example of a corrupt and incompetent organization. If you're not a big group operator the NAB has no interest in you beyond your membership check every year. They're a major part of the IBOC problem. They ignored my comments about HD interference until I delivered a very public blast at them through Radio World. Suddenly David Rehr's little assistant was e-mailing me professing tremendous interest in "our experiences, good or bad, with HD Radio," for consideration by their Technical Committee in January. "The NAB is interested in input from all radio broadcasters, big and small," they declared earnestly (and publicly.)

Even though WYSL is not an NAB member, at considerable expense and inconvenience I boxed up all the IBOC files - interference FCC complaints, measurements, CD recordings, affidavits and reports from TWO consulting engineering firms, and sent them off to Rehr's office, making sure the materials got there before their January Committee meeting.

Then: silence.

After about six weeks I e-mailed the NAB, asking whether the WYSL/WBZ materials were considered by the Technical Committee. The NAB's response was to send a form letter and membership package inviting us to join. Suffice it to say that these materials received about as much consideration at WYSL and WYSL's did at the NAB.

Then you have the incredible waste of millions of dollars of members' money frittered away on fighting - unsuccessfully - the Sirius/XM merger, an activity about as logical and productive as spending a few million on making sure no passages are booked on the Lusitania. And last I checked, XM and Sirius have yet to sell their first paid commercial on-air.
 
Savage said:
The NAB is another example of a corrupt and incompetent organization. If you're not a big group operator the NAB has no interest in you beyond your membership check every year. They're a major part of the IBOC problem.

But the NAB bosses never hesitate to invoke the warm, fuzzy emotional response of defending "America's Hometown Radio Stations" when they argue against the satellite merger, etc. At least they think of us kindly once in a while, other than when they deposit those checks.

"Hometown Radio" also sounds nicer than Clear Channel, Citadel, Cumulus, or CBS.

Google "NAB Hometown Radio" for numerous examples of this rhetoric.
 
Savage said:
And last I checked, XM and Sirius have yet to sell their first paid commercial on-air.

In the interest of accuracy: XM and Sirius have ALWAYS...from day one...had commercials on their talk stations and some of their sports stations. They only guarantee that their music channels will be commercial-free.

Otherwise: Right on target about the NAB. They have expended masses of energy aiming a pea-shooter at a pygmy...namely, satellite radio, whose new subscriber rates are levelling off, whose retention costs are astronomical (people who call to cancel are often offered free subscriptions for a few months, which says a lot about how their management views their product)...and which is ultimately no threat to terrestrial radio. NAB has and continues to ignore the threats to their former hegemony from other media, and in the end, from themselves. Cookie-cutter programming which anyone can have all to themselves on their iPods is the biggest threat to radio, but all the NAB is interested in is maintaining the status quo and getting the government to legislate away their so-called competitors They don't want to do what they must: change the way they do business in order to survive.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
Otherwise: Right on target about the NAB. They have expended masses of energy aiming a pea-shooter at a pygmy...namely, satellite radio, whose new subscriber rates are levelling off, whose retention costs are astronomical (people who call to cancel are often offered free subscriptions for a few months, which says a lot about how their management views their product)...and which is ultimately no threat to terrestrial radio. NAB has and continues to ignore the threats to their former hegemony from other media, and in the end, from themselves. Cookie-cutter programming which anyone can have all to themselves on their iPods is the biggest threat to radio, but all the NAB is interested in is maintaining the status quo and getting the government to legislate away their so-called competitors.

I'm sure that Struble would love for the Satrad merger to go through, especially if the FCC enforces the interoperable digital radio mandate. Struble has taken a neutral stance on the merger, which indicates his feeble situation. However, if Martin takes Chairman Dingell's suggestion, Satrad receivers would be open for inclusion of "other technologies", as determined by marketplace forces. Struble may regret such a request, as this would open up competition with iPods and the Internet on Satrad receivers. There are approximately 100,000,000+ iPods, and sales continue to grow. The difference in cost of adding an iPod jack to Satrad receivers, versus the technical difficulties and cost of adding HD, would be considerable (Satrad hasn't even been able to create a practical interoperable receiver). Plus, iBiquity demands licensing and HD chipset fees. Apple had already made deals with Ford, Kia, Hyundai, GM, Mazda, etc for iPod integration - this move will ensure that 70% of US automobiles will have factory iPod integration right off the showroom floor. And, let's not forget that car manufacturers can veto in-dash entertainment systems. It was estimated that with iBiquity's licensing and HD chipset fees, that it would cost about $45/radio to install, totaling $450,000,000 to $600,000,000 for the Big Three. I'm guessing that Struble cares-less about the success of HD Radio, or what he tells his investors and Wall Street, as long as he gets his IPO fraudulent money and beats it the heck out of town. What is going to happen when everyone finally figures out that with the 5 to 10 second acquisition/reacquisition delays on the HD1 channels, and with the frequent dropouts/silence on the HD2/HD3 channels, that HD isn't really practical for real-world applications. I wonder, if there is a message board for Ford filled with complaints about HD (assuming that anyone ordered HD) - Ford probably would have deleted them as spam, anyway. As an investor in iBiquity, Ford is in a tough position (that goes for all investors in iBiquity). I feel sorry for the broadcasters that signed agreements with iBiquity, and now are trying to renegotiate - Struble has a total lock on his investors, requiring rounds of hardware/software upgrades for broadcasters, and requiring multiple HD receiver purchases for consumers to get the latest features. The Anti-Christ has commeth, and so has the biggest scam of the 21st century.
 
"Radio: Ponzi's back!"

"In 1918, we had Charles Ponzi. Ninety years later, we have Peter 'Sgt. Bilk-o' Ferrara. Schemes. From Ponzi to HD Radio. Ibiquity has the license and collects the fees. The HD Radio Alliance, which Sgt. Bilk-o runs, does the fast-talkin’, slow walkin’ hype. Right? Like the other schemes, the HD Radio edition begins with a hard-sell sales pitch to hook you in and establish the product. Right?"

http://gormanmediablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/radio-ponzis-back_27.html

Forgot something.
 
To be precise, Congressman Dingell's letter to Martin only requested that as a consequence of being allowed to merge that the combined XM-Sirius be ordered that they "may not exclude incorporation" of other technologies in satradio receivers, "such as" iPod capability, mp3, terrestrial analog and HD Radio. Characterize this as you will, it's a far cry from being an "HD mandate for satradio."

As would be expected from HD Radio, the Alliance and others in the shrinking camp of IBOC boosters, this is being completely, absolutely spun to the public and the industry that Dingell is demanding that HD be mandatory in satrad receivers in the post-merger world.

Actually, as succinctly stated above by greedmongers, the Dingell admonition is really BAD news, not good news, for HD. The system is decidely the weakest of interoperable formats under consideration.

Once again: truth is the usual victim of HD Radio publicity.
 
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