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FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

It seems the FCC is finally going to do something about the DTV issues!

In a recent Connecticut Post article, an FCC spokeswoman offered a glimpse of what might be happening down the line in improving DTV. Since this article's going to enter the pay-per-view newspaper archives after a week, I'm going to post some of the quotes the FCC spokeswoman made.

"The FCC held out a little more hope for Simmons. First off, Janice Wise, a spokeswoman for the commission, said officials realize that the move to digital broadcasting hasn't gone as smoothly as everyone might have liked. She noted that there were some "problem areas" that FCC engineers were looking into, one of those being the greater New York market that includes the Fairfield County [Connecticut] area."

"We still are looking into issues on the East Coast," she said, adding that FCC engineers are working with TV stations on various fixes to the problems. These include increasing broadcasting power and changing to different frequencies.

"There could be a universal solution for all the stations ---- it's too early to respond to that," she said.

I say, better late than never. This restores my hope that for many of us in the crowded Northeast, we will once again have access to quality, reliable, and uimpeded OTA television on par with the analog service we once received.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

Kewl!

Somebody tell willcail it wasn't just our imagination.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

A universal solution? I'd like to know what that is.

- Trip
 
They outta put TripInVa in charge he'd straighten them out fast

:)

Living in Chicago it seems the buildings are the biggest issue.

I think the was the frequencies were assigned is such a mish mash that that is contributing to problems.

I read a book on radio history and interestingly enough, with AM radio they would allow people to start up an AM radio station if they could prove it wouldn't interfere with other stations. This is why AM today has many directional antennas and different power stations.

When TV came along they put the frequencies first then filled it up. Now with DTV it's come back to "find a frequency and use that, if there's a problem use lower power or a directional antenna." This is possibly a why replication of signals won't ever happen.

One thing I will say about DTV, I had to get cable 'cause I can't get any signals where I live in Chicago (I'm 3 miles NW of Sears Tower) but the one or two times I managed to pull in a signal it was MUCH better than cable. (BTW I have only the UHF Silver Sensor and Rabbit Ears as my flat doesn't have a master antenna).
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

I have no problems with DTV reception. I live on the fourth floor of an apartment. There are tall bulidings in my area and have no affect with the DTV reception. Then all of my DTV stations broadcast on the UHF band. With the exception of WSYX DT that broadcast on VHF13. WSYX supposed to move to UHF48. During the days of analog I ended up with cable since I wasn't able to pick up analog broadcast of WCMH, WSYX, WTTE. When I purchase an Samsung HDTV and purchase high quality coaxal cable, male to male adaptor and a RCA flat panel amplified antenna set the antenna next to one of the apartment windows and enjoying OTA HDTV. Right now at 1PM EST the Bengals are playing and I'm going to see it in HD.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

I live in the DFW Metroplex, about 20? miles south of Cedar Hill, where most transmitters are located. I get most of the stations with a particular sweet spot setting I sue with my indoor amplified antenna (a Phillips MANT410).

Sometimes Thunderstorms interfere with the Digital Reception.

Also, sometime, when it's particularly windy, that can interfere with some of the stations reception. There are some tall trees that when the wind is gusty, have an effect on my reception.

I have Basic cable to get C-SPAN and the Community College channel.

If those channels could go OTA digital, then I would drop cable like a hot potato!
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

willcail said:
Right now at 1PM EST the Bengals are playing and I'm going to see it in HD.

How'd that HDTV work for the Bungles today? Didja see that last Bronco pass play in full 1080i?
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

tripinva said:
A universal solution? I'd like to know what that is.

- Trip


Get rid of channels 2-6, increase power for high VHF , and eliminate directional patterns.

I don't have no problem with DTV, I'm 22 miles from the antenna farm where all stations except FOX 26 KMPH, which is 50 miles away and comes it with no problem also.


landtuna said:
willcail said:
Right now at 1PM EST the Bengals are playing and I'm going to see it in HD.

How'd that HDTV work for the Bungles today? Didja see that last Bronco pass play in full 1080i?


I only got to see that great pass in 720p.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

kenrayc said:
I only got to see that great pass in 720p.

The game was on C(BS) so should have been 1080i. Our Fox affiliate broadcasts only in 720p. Don't know why. Even the indies here broadcast in 1080i on their main channels.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

landtuna said:
kenrayc said:
I only got to see that great pass in 720p.

The game was on C(BS) so should have been 1080i. Our Fox affiliate broadcasts only in 720p. Don't know why. Even the indies here broadcast in 1080i on their main channels.


Same here in Fresno CBS 47 is 1080i, and FOX 26 is 720 p, I said that because I only have a 720p HDTV set.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

kenrayc said:
Get rid of channels 2-6, increase power for high VHF , and eliminate directional patterns.

So, your solution is to:

a) Eliminate a band nobody uses anyway
b) Do something that has been proven to be of little or no help
c) Do something that will drastically increase interference

To answer the other question, ABC and Fox/My (and co-owned cable networks) produce their coverage in 720p. Other networks are in 1080i.

- Trip
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

tripinva said:
kenrayc said:
Get rid of channels 2-6, increase power for high VHF , and eliminate directional patterns.

So, your solution is to:

a) Eliminate a band nobody uses anyway
b) Do something that has been proven to be of little or no help
c) Do something that will drastically increase interference

To answer the other question, ABC and Fox/My (and co-owned cable networks) produce their coverage in 720p. Other networks are in 1080i.

- Trip


There's no problem in Fresno, wouldn't say tripling the power for problem areas help?
Those stations still using 2-6 should be allowed to change.
Changing directional patterns will help fringe reception,One example would be KERO 10 Bakersfield which is directional to the city of Bakersfield,but is worthless to all areas north and south of Bakersfield., and I don't think eliminating the directional pattern is not going to cause interferance to KXTV 10 250 miles north or KGTV 10 in San Diego. BTW I used to get all analog Bakersfield stations here in Fresno, Can't get any of them now.
Accoarse this solution will not work for all market.
What would you do Trip?
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

I just recently ran about three coverage plots at different power levels for a VHF station, and increasing power from 11 kW up to 80 kW made very little difference even according to the prediction. Real world experience in other markets supports the prediction.

I don't disagree with you on 2-6, but it's not really a huge problem overall. Most people who have problems are having them in areas where there are no low-VHF stations.

Changing some directional patterns, sure. Your message implied dropping all directional patterns, which would be a nightmare to say the least. (It probably wasn't what you meant, but is how I read it. My apologies.)

Regardless, who would pay for KERO to change their antenna? Why even do that when the same money could be better spent moving to UHF, which is probably what they should do? (My suggestion is to move as many stations to UHF as possible, then try to deal with the rest when the dust clears.)

- Trip
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

tripinva said:
To answer the other question, ABC and Fox/My (and co-owned cable networks) produce their coverage in 720p. Other networks are in 1080i.

- Trip

Guess I don't watch enough ABC to have ever noticed but I just checked and they are indeed in 720p.

Any special reason for that?
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

ABC owns ESPN and Fox is, obviously, Fox Sports. The general opinion is that 720p is better for high motion video than 1080i is, thus those two networks chose 720p given their large sports focus.

- Trip
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

tripinva said:
ABC owns ESPN and Fox is, obviously, Fox Sports. The general opinion is that 720p is better for high motion video than 1080i is, thus those two networks chose 720p given their large sports focus.

- Trip


This is true, I've notices during games on FOX and ESPN there no pixallization on the fast moving shots of plays. Where tonight during SNF on NBC it's noticable. same way with the game between the Bengles and The Broncos, during the FOX game Between the 49ers and Cardinals there was no pixillazation at all,I always thought it was because I have a 720p TV.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

kenrayc said:
This is true, I've notices during games on FOX and ESPN there no pixallization on the fast moving shots of plays. Where tonight during SNF on NBC it's noticable. same way with the game between the Bengles and The Broncos, during the FOX game Between the 49ers and Cardinals there was no pixillazation at all,I always thought it was because I have a 720p TV.

I noticed the other day, that when I watched coverage of the US Open on OTA Digital on CBS, that the colors, especially of the tennis court, had a shake to them, a noticeable shake.

But the same US Open coverage on CBS watched over cable, did not have that noticeable shake.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

There is a universal solution, and it could probably work its way through Congress.

Where Channels 52-54 and 56-57 have not been auctioned off (Channel 55 is already gone), reallocate them for DTV. Then move the stations still on 2-6 to the new channels and delete 2-6. Where there are problems with the high VHF stations, consider moving them to the new channels as well. After that, 52-54 and 56-57 can be allocated on a market by market basis for emergency responders much like 14-17 are now.

But the FCC needs to take the lead.
 
Re: FCC on DTV issues: "There could be a universal solution for all the stations"

Wouldn't the simplest solution be, have the folks who aren't getting a good signal:
1) Fix their antenna?
2) Get a decent outdoor antenna?
3) Find the interference problem in their home or building, and fix it?
4) Get an MATV system installed in your MDU or office building?
5) Get Basic Cable or Satellite service?

MOST people are not having problems. The ones that are, need to fix them.
Cranking up power, moving all the channels around, etc aren't going to necessarily "fix" everything.
 
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