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FCC orders ME-TV 3 WJLP off the air

Serves them right for exploiting loopholes to squeeze an extra signal into a crowded area.
 
Is this fight over their virtual channel 3 which happens to be the same as their actual rf channel 3? If they change their virtual channel to 33, everything is ok?
Is channel 8 taken in NYC? They could just ask the FCC for virtual channel 8 and the case is closed.
 
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WJLP wasn't ordered off the air. They were ordered to map to 33-1 until the FCC issues a ruling on what should happen permanently. WJLP chose to go off the air rather than comply.

8 is taken by WTNH. 14 was proposed as a solution by the FCC, which WJLP has rejected.

- Trip
 
They should go with virtual channel 14 then. If they elect must carry on 14, it would be better than 33 for cable position. Why isn't CBS going after KJWP down here in Philly? Isn't there any confusion between KJWP and WCBS in central Jersey? Just wait, when WJLP does come back on the air, you'll get Larry Mendte on at 7pm on Saturday instead of Batman.
 
Leave it to Trip to know the details that eluded me. :)

tripinva said:
14 was proposed as a solution by the FCC, which WJLP has rejected.
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I still think that in any PSIP dispute over conflicts from signal overlap, the FCC should assign channel 37. :rolleyes:
 
14 works in New York because RF channel 14 is reserved for Land Mobile and no station can operate there. It's a local equivalent to channel 37, while still placing it in the same neighborhood as the VHF stations. Seems like a good option to me.

- Trip
 
Well as of this evening WJLP is back on the air. They are still on virtual channel 3-10. According to their Facebook page they are allowed to be on the air until at least December 1. No word on what happens after that.
 
Such a silly fight too... the Channel 3 loophole was used to get another station into a major market that wasn't being served by a VHF, though DTV does not work at these low frequencies anyway (it works ok between fixed antennas (transmitter to cable head end), not so much to OTA homes, look at all the problems that WHDH and another Phila station had in 2009 (HDH moved back to 42).

Theyh got their signal into NYC, so they can call themselves "Mary Queen of Scots" now and no one would care... all people want to know is what button do I push to get my Me-TV? The old legacy stations with news operations and history NEED to keep their 2's and 3's pristine.
 
RonTheEngineer said:
Such a silly fight too... the Channel 3 loophole was used to get another station into a major market that wasn't being served by a VHF, though DTV does not work at these low frequencies anyway (it works ok between fixed antennas (transmitter to cable head end), not so much to OTA homes, .
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I don't think VHF is inherently bad, I think the issue is the vast majority of TV antennas on the market are designed for UHF, which is likely why many people have problems pulling in VHF signals. I live 12 miles outside of NYC and I have no problem pulling in a full signal of WJLP, and that's with a $5 antenna plugged into the back of my TV. WABC, WPIX, and WNET all operate on VHF.
 
tripinva said:
14 works in New York because RF channel 14 is reserved for Land Mobile and no station can operate there. It's a local equivalent to channel 37, while still placing it in the same neighborhood as the VHF stations. Seems like a good option to me.

- Trip
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But...channel 14 is UHF. WJLP used the loophole to move a VHF station across the country. So under whatever rules they are following (or not following), they might not be allowed to use a UHF channel allocation. Unless maybe it doesn't matter if they change to UHF after the move is complete...
 
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14-1 on RF3.

- Trip
 
Bill_W said:
And all the digital cable boxes could do 1. I still think 14 is their best option.
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1.1 is a VIRTUAL channel..whatever is in the PSIP will show on the display...The tuner will still see RF 3....GAWD I hate Virtual Channels!! With the repacking though, and likely forced sharing, virtuals will really get screwy
 
ContinuousWave said:
1.1 is a VIRTUAL channel..whatever is in the PSIP will show on the display...The tuner will still see RF 3....GAWD I hate Virtual Channels!! With the repacking though, and likely forced sharing, virtuals will really get screwy
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It's only "screwy" if you're obsessed with knowing what frequency a station actually transmits on. 99.99999% of viewers using OTA television only care that when they punch up channel 10 on the remote that the tuner finds the station calling itself "channel 10".

Heck, for a short period of time last year, one of KIIO-LD/10's subchannels was actually being transmitted on KFLA-DT/8, with a PSIP of 10.x for that subchannel only. Do you think any of the viewers cared?
 
Virtual channel 1 would not work in there because 1 is already sort of a "virtual channel" in NYC, where local news channel "NY1" is seen on cable. AFAIK, a cable provider is under no obligation to place any local station on any particular virtual channel (in fact, it is very common for a popular local station with a high virtual channel to be on a low channel to cable viewers, e.g., Detroit's 62 CBS on 15 in Detroit, Toledo's 30 PBS being on 9 in Toledo).

If WJLP were given virtual channel 1, the cable systems would not move NY1, more likely they would put WJLP on a very high cable channel nobody would find by browsing.
 
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