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FCC Proposes Increase in HD Signal Power

I think you're being awfully liberal with the word, "always"! What about a hundred years ago, when radio was the new kid on the block or 80 years ago, when TV was brand new? I don't think broadcasting was 20-30 years behind when I was a kid or young adult. How long do you actually mean?

i wasn't talking about literal time, i was talking in the context of where we are now since the the digital authorization was passed back in the 90's.

you want to get literal, the radio industry was still using turntables well into the mid 80's and i know stations that didn't stop using CD's and carts until 2005.
 
i blame the industry more than the commission. i say this because digital authorization for all of broadcasting started in the 90's, and look how long it took TV to adapt and switch.
You are placing way too much emphasis on the word "digital". People left AM because it does not sound very good compared to FM. Few people have insisted on HD radio because, while it is indeed digital, it really offers almost un-measurable improvement over analog FM which sounds good.

it's been 20 years and while satellite radio did a huge cannonball into the pool, while online streamers were already enjoying the water, terrestrial radio is still dipping the toes in and afraid to commit.
Radio pushed HD radio to be ready at the beginning of the new millennium, because they were afraid of all things digital and, in particular, satellite. In the end, neither "pure digital" nor satellite radically changed much of anything.

Nobody goes around telling researchers they don't listen to FM because it is not "digital". They don't listen because of the ads, the playlists and other things. I have never done a research project where "oh, it is not digital" or something similar was said.
the radio industry has always been and will always be 20-30 years behind the rest of the world.
Digital TV offered wide screens and enormously improved resolution. Digital radio offers nothing of significance.
 
Stations were playing off records well into the 80's and 90's because it took a while to replace and find the recordings in a digital format. Especially the Album stations. Some stations didn't want to jump right in. Waited to see how the new technology panned out. Mini disk is a good example. I bet some stations wished the would have side stepped that expense. Sure you could have burned them to CD. But then you need to buy that equipment witch had a shorter life cycle back then. Even the CD medium went through improvements for pro users, would it play on this CD player or that one. The the expense of paying some one to dub it and dub it again when it didn't work right or the CD failed. Easier and less costly to let the turntable spin in the late 80's and early 90's if you played most of your music off of a record. Even in the 2000's you had to deal with small and failing hard drives. It wasn't till around 2005 that you had large enough drives that didn't fail.

I'll bet most stations that dragged carts into 2000's had a morning show that could not live with out them.

A station that's been on air for over 10 years wants to get that ROI. If your a new start up, with no studios like satellite, it was easier to start of with the latest play out devices. But even then most of the examples they followed for the studio design came from Radio.

The one things turntables and carts were great for was not having to worry about windows updates, or putting them behind firewalls or having a second network for them that does not touch the internet. A little more complicated when you have 12 or more play out work stations that all run windows and must be protected from the internet and Windows updates.
 
You are placing way too much emphasis on the word "digital". People left AM because it does not sound very good compared to FM. Few people have insisted on HD radio because, while it is indeed digital, it really offers almost un-measurable improvement over analog FM which sounds good.


Radio pushed HD radio to be ready at the beginning of the new millennium, because they were afraid of all things digital and, in particular, satellite. In the end, neither "pure digital" nor satellite radically changed much of anything.

Nobody goes around telling researchers they don't listen to FM because it is not "digital". They don't listen because of the ads, the playlists and other things. I have never done a research project where "oh, it is not digital" or something similar was said.

Digital TV offered wide screens and enormously improved resolution. Digital radio offers nothing of significance.
In the end, you are still defending and deflecting.

All the gatekeeping you are doing does nothing but prove me right.

Satellite succeeded because terrestrial broadcasters scoffed at satellite radio and many said it would be a fad that would die quickly.
 
In the end, you are still defending and deflecting.

All the gatekeeping you are doing does nothing but prove me right.

Satellite succeeded because terrestrial broadcasters scoffed at satellite radio and many said it would be a fad that would die quickly.

radio is still king out here...were considered an essential part of the city's emergency response. starlink is a thing out here now, but people cant get truly local info about our region online, so we still win
 
In the end, you are still defending and deflecting.
I am giving you the listener's reality based on doing thousands of direct audience music and perceptual tests as well as tens of thousands of telephone tests and surveys.
All the gatekeeping you are doing does nothing but prove me right.
Right about what? You are just negating, not making any listener-based point. That is called "personal opinion".
Satellite succeeded because terrestrial broadcasters scoffed at satellite radio and many said it would be a fad that would die quickly.
First, I never heard broadcasters "scoff" although many doubted the viability due to the huge expense... a fact that was absolutely true for the first decade. I never, despite going to nearly every NAB and lots of programming seminars and conferences, heard anyone say it would "die quickly" but everyone was concerned about it ever being profitable.

Satellite did not succeed initially, as Sirius and XM both lost "a ton of money" until they merged, and even then it

"After years of speculation and three months of serious negotiations, the US$13 billion merger between Sirius and XM was officially announced on February 19, 2007. At the time, the nation's only two satellite radio providers reported nearly 14 million combined subscribers (with nearly 8 million belonging to XM), with neither having turned an annual profit." (Wikipedia)

It took several more years to start making a profit. Today, still nearly half of the 34 million subscribers are there principally for the Howard Stern show and the subscription based covers Pandora and Sticher. There are around 240 million vehicles in the US, so only about 12% are even subscribed.

Oh, and as a reference, I programmed the 5 XM Spanish language channels from the start up until they decided to go non-commercial on all music channels. At the beginning, a number of significant terrestrial broadcasters were large XM shareholders and helped provide content... so your statement that broadcasters were oblivious to satellite is totally wrong.
 
Satellite succeeded because terrestrial broadcasters scoffed at satellite radio and many said it would be a fad that would die quickly.
As David already pointed out, Satellite's "success" hasn't been the success that it had originally hoped for. At its peak, SXM had only 2.3% of the audience that traditional AM-FM radio had. And included in that 2%, they counted vehicles with SXM-capable tuners in new cars still sitting on lots.
Back in the day, terrestrial radio groups were hardly scoffing at the potential threat of satellite radio. Satellite was the main reason for the rollout of HD Radio. One could argue that the rollout of HD Radio was a poorly done swing and a miss, but it was all being driven by the concern over the impact of satellite radio. In the end, there was no need for concern after all.
 
As David already pointed out, Satellite's "success" hasn't been the success that it had originally hoped for. At its peak, SXM had only 2.3% of the audience that traditional AM-FM radio had. And included in that 2%, they counted vehicles with SXM-capable tuners in new cars still sitting on lots.
Back in the day, terrestrial radio groups were hardly scoffing at the potential threat of satellite radio. Satellite was the main reason for the rollout of HD Radio. One could argue that the rollout of HD Radio was a poorly done swing and a miss, but it was all being driven by the concern over the impact of satellite radio. In the end, there was no need for concern after all.

even 2% is still seen as a success when the odds were never in your favor.

But then again, those same people making excuses like Davideduardo are the same people who jumped right in line to kiss up to clear channel leading up to their pre-iheart days.

to this day it makes zero sense for any terrestrial station, no matter how greedy for the almight dollar, can beg for listeners while runnings ads for siriusxm.

i don't care what many you can say in response to me, i don't care, i know my opinions will be looked back upon one day with the attitude of "he warned us all and we didn't listen".
 
even 2% is still seen as a success when the odds were never in your favor.

But then again, those same people making excuses like Davideduardo are the same people who jumped right in line to kiss up to clear channel leading up to their pre-iheart days.
Not sure what you mean by excuses. David well understands the unvarnished history of radio as a business. He's not known for hyperbole for the sake of promoting any particular group.
By your posts, it sounds like you have some beef with Clear Channel. Pretty clear none of us will help you remove that chip off the shoulder through facts.
to this day it makes zero sense for any terrestrial station, no matter how greedy for the almight dollar, can beg for listeners while runnings ads for siriusxm.
If SXM wanted to run spots on terrestrial radio, I'm sure there are plenty of stations eagerly willing to carry those ads. The advertising climate these days doesn't allow one to be picky. That, and history has already shown that SXM isn't a serious threat of stealing away all the terrestrial audience forever.
i don't care what many you can say in response to me, i don't care, i know my opinions will be looked back upon one day with the attitude of "he warned us all and we didn't listen".
Clearly you have your mind made up, facts be damned.
 
About what, is the question.

About the fact that this industry is filled with technological gatekeepers and gas-lighters.

the blinders are on, you can see where the industry should go, but you really don't want it to, so you pretend not to notice until you're so far behind the curve that you are left begging people to stay.

back in 1994-ish, a young entrepreneur named Mark Cuban bought the domain broadcast.com for nearly a steal...everyone called him crazy and said no one will every listen to sports or music on the internet, they all laughed.

from the success of that website, sparked the beginnings of what would lead to innovations such as Pandora, spottily, apple music, podcasting and internet radio as we know it today.

knowing what was to come, terrestrial radio continued to sit back and play the long game with many saying there will always be a need for terrestrial radio, no matter AM or FM.

Had Ford and GM not publicly announce the initial plan to phase out AM radio from vehicles, that little story would have gone completely unnoticed by everyone.

you can spit ball all the stats of who has 2% over here and 30% over here, but at the end of the day, the listeners don't care.

and to be honest, no one here really cares about the listeners.

if anyone reading this post ever gave a damn about the listeners over the last 40+ years, there'd be a lot of more stations fully staffed 24/7, no corporate overwatch, no voicetracking... actually listening to that voice on the other end of your voxpro line, asking you play their request.

and if the radio indsutry ever gave a damn about it's roots, it would collectively lobby the FCC to require stations to pay the artists and songwriters every penny they have been due and put an end to the free publicity and exploitation just to get the local dollar general to run a 30 ad on your station.
 
even 2% is still seen as a success when the odds were never in your favor.
It's not when at that level is not enough to be profitable.
But then again, those same people making excuses like Davideduardo are the same people who jumped right in line to kiss up to clear channel leading up to their pre-iheart days.
I was at a direct competitor to Clear Channel, so that statement is offensive. And not true.
to this day it makes zero sense for any terrestrial station, no matter how greedy for the almight dollar, can beg for listeners while runnings ads for siriusxm.
Why? That is the same logic that many stations used in the 50's and 60's to not run ads for TV shows and channels. Or why they would not give away a "new color TV" in the 60's when everyone wanted one. Radio usage is shared with TV usage, recorded music usage and other entertainment options and covering our eyes does not change the fact.
i don't care what many you can say in response to me, i don't care, i know my opinions will be looked back upon one day with the attitude of "he warned us all and we didn't listen".
Radio is trying to resolve the issue of being a legally required free service which necessarily can only be financed via advertising. It is possible that the only successes in the industry will be with companies that are using radio as leverage to move people to their own paid subscription services. An example is UnivisionTelevisa which is moving radio and OTA television viewers to its paid Spanish language subscription services; the end game is to capture existing OTA radio and TV users and entice them into a paid product.

In the meantime, this is a gradual transition, not one with a finite deadline. And, yes, EVERYONE is listening. They just have not chosen to ask you to the boardroom.
 
There were radio stations that streamed in the mid to late 90s on RealPlayer, etc. Virgin Radio 1215AM in London and KLZR in Lawrence, Kansas for two examples, I’m sure others can give more examples.
 
Radio is trying to resolve the issue of being a legally required free service which necessarily can only be financed via advertising.
BUll F'in Sh-T

Terrestrial broadcasters lobbied hard to keep satellite radio from every taking off, they tried and failed with internet radio, forcing people like me to bare the burden of paying the artists and songwriters through ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and you continue to lobby to keep terrestrial radio from having to pay your fair share, which should be 75% of your advertising revenue IMHO.


once corporate greed took over, radio stop giving a damn about the music and listener.

David, you're a hypocritical fool, just like Joel Denver!
 
There were radio stations that streamed in the mid to late 90s on RealPlayer, etc. Virgin Radio 1215AM in London and KLZR in Lawrence, Kansas for two examples, I’m sure others can give more examples.
yes, plenty.

i remeber several alabama stations, including WRAX/b'ham , al and WBAM/montgomery streaming via realplayer since 1995
 
back in 1994-ish, a young entrepreneur named Mark Cuban bought the domain broadcast.com for nearly a steal...everyone called him crazy and said no one will every listen to sports or music on the internet, they all laughed.
That is not true. Lots of stations, new to the web, looked to Cuban's company as a way to get on the Internet and establish a presence.
from the success of that website, sparked the beginnings of what would lead to innovations such as Pandora, spottily, apple music, podcasting and internet radio as we know it today.
That was not a "website" in the way we think about them now. It was an individualized way for each station to get a website with its own content. Radio.com was just an amalgamation of separate sites for separate stations. I looked at it seriously, even went to Dallas and met with them and decided to do my own site for KTNQ in LA around 1997 because I wanted more than a boilerplate site.
knowing what was to come, terrestrial radio continued to sit back and play the long game with many saying there will always be a need for terrestrial radio, no matter AM or FM.
And until the advent of the smartphone, that was true. And it still is, but in a slowly decreasing percentage. About 85% of adults use radio weekly.... just less than before.

As an example, we started to see erosion of radio usage in the late 80's caused by video gaming. All new entertainment technology affects all other players in the field.
Had Ford and GM not publicly announce the initial plan to phase out AM radio from vehicles, that little story would have gone completely unnoticed by everyone.
Wrong. It was already a major topic at the NAB and state associations.
if anyone reading this post ever gave a damn about the listeners over the last 40+ years, there'd be a lot of more stations fully staffed 24/7, no corporate overwatch, no voicetracking... actually listening to that voice on the other end of your voxpro line, asking you play their request.
Wrong again. Listeners, who used to have "friends on the radio" now have real friends on social media and via texting. So music radio has adapted.

And vocetracking was used by some very high rated stations going back to the 70's. It's just a lot easier now.

We quit playing requests in the 60's and 70's, too. It is tantamount to letting a 13-year-old or a drunk be your new PD for 3 minutes.
and if the radio indsutry ever gave a damn about it's roots, it would collectively lobby the FCC to require stations to pay the artists and songwriters every penny they have been due and put an end to the free publicity and exploitation just to get the local dollar general to run a 30 ad on your station.
We've been paying the songwriters since the 30's with ASCAP and then from the 40's with BMI. You are full of wrong information.

- The FCC does not regulate taxes, rights payments, or any other business practice.
- Dollar General is a national agency account. They don't place local buys as far as I know.
Dollar General | Rebranding an American Icon | bohan
- Record companies have historically done everything possible in the past.. from payola to ticket giveaways to artist interviews to albums and CDs and other stuff to get stations to play records. Only since the three major labels have been foreign owned have they tried to squeeze instead of fertilize the radio fruit. Many of us have, historically, tried to limit the amount of time record promoters suck out of our workday.
 
That is not true. Lots of stations, new to the web, looked to Cuban's company as a way to get on the Internet and establish a presence.

That was not a "website" in the way we think about them now. It was an individualized way for each station to get a website with its own content. Radio.com was just an amalgamation of separate sites for separate stations. I looked at it seriously, even went to Dallas and met with them and decided to do my own site for KTNQ in LA around 1997 because I wanted more than a boilerplate site.

And until the advent of the smartphone, that was true. And it still is, but in a slowly decreasing percentage. About 85% of adults use radio weekly.... just less than before.

As an example, we started to see erosion of radio usage in the late 80's caused by video gaming. All new entertainment technology affects all other players in the field.

Wrong. It was already a major topic at the NAB and state associations.

Wrong again. Listeners, who used to have "friends on the radio" now have real friends on social media and via texting. So music radio has adapted.

And vocetracking was used by some very high rated stations going back to the 70's. It's just a lot easier now.

We quit playing requests in the 60's and 70's, too. It is tantamount to letting a 13-year-old or a drunk be your new PD for 3 minutes.

We've been paying the songwriters since the 30's with ASCAP and then from the 40's with BMI. You are full of wrong information.

- The FCC does not regulate taxes, rights payments, or any other business practice.
- Dollar General is a national agency account. They don't place local buys as far as I know.
Dollar General | Rebranding an American Icon | bohan
- Record companies have historically done everything possible in the past.. from payola to ticket giveaways to artist interviews to albums and CDs and other stuff to get stations to play records. Only since the three major labels have been foreign owned have they tried to squeeze instead of fertilize the radio fruit. Many of us have, historically, tried to limit the amount of time record promoters suck out of our workday.
see..your gatekeeping and gaslighting.

all these stats your throwing out are nothing but guessing games, show real numbers of those listening to terrestrial stations right now in real time!

go blow smoke up someone else's ass with your stats and misinformation.

at the end of the day, i'm still right and you refuse to admit it.

Radio stations need to pay the artists, not the record companies...pay up or shut down.
 
BUll F'in Sh-T

Terrestrial broadcasters lobbied hard to keep satellite radio from every taking off,
What radio did successfully was thwart the intent of the satellite broadcasters to do local services aimed at each larger market. The FCC long regulated radio to relatively low power limits and local coverage, but the satellite folks wanted exactly what the FCC, since the 30's, was chartered to prevent.
they tried and failed with internet radio, forcing people like me to bare the burden of paying the artists and songwriters through ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and you continue to lobby to keep terrestrial radio from having to pay your fair share, which should be 75% of your advertising revenue IMHO.
Radio has paid ASCAP since the 30's, BMI since the early 40's. SESAC came along later as European (the "E" in SESAC stands for that word) music needed a rights organization.

Radio's EBITDA profit margin, as an industry, is less than 20% and half of all stations lose money. Your 75% is laugable and ridiculous.
once corporate greed took over, radio stop giving a damn about the music and listener.
Radio has always been "corporate". It started with stations owned by makers of receivers, insurance companies and even stores: WLS meant "World's Largest Store". Then they became owned by the radio networks and radio groups. And so on up till now.

And we spend millions annually to research exactly what the listeners want to hear. I know as I have done well over 1,000 music tests, millions of online and phone current song preference calls and hundreds of perceptual projects.
David, you're a hypocritical fool, just like Joel Denver!
A "hypocrite" is a person who espouses one idea but believes a different one. You can't lay that one on me as it is simply a convoluted lie.
 
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