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FCC Regulation Questions

Do you think the Network Non-Duplication, SyndEx, Sports Blackout rules on cable and satellite are unfair to Americans? And is the FCC regulation where it prohibits satellite companies for example from providing a out-of-market network feeds of ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX and instead 'forced' to watch the home market feeds are unfair to Americans? Also, what's your thoughts on the controversial 'retransmission consent' issue?

What's your thoughts on the questions?
 
I think the absence of these rules would be unfair to Americans who don't feel they should have to pay $300+/year for TV.



Programming is one of the largest expenses (if not *the* largest expense) at most TV stations. Public service is not the primary reason you're seeing more hours of news on most stations... it's actually becoming cheaper than buying syndicated programming.

Anyway, stations that pay a premium for exclusive access to, say, "Wheel of Fortune", in their market, expect to get the exclusive access they paid for. They don't expect to find 2/3 of the "Wheel" fans in their market able to watch the same program on a couple of out-of-town channels. The deletion of non-duplication and syndex rules would result in a significant devaluation of syndicated and network programming. If you see that happen with *all* their syndicated programming, the ability of the station to continue operating at all becomes in doubt. Alternatively, they cut back what they're willing to pay for "Wheel", and you find the quality of the program declining as the producers' customers are no longer able to pay for it.

Same deal for out-of-market network feeds.


Dropping either set of rules runs a significant risk of driving over-the-air TV out of business. At which point about 10-15% of the audience has to choose between paying several hundred $$ a year for cable/satellite, or not watching TV at all. (and a single voice, your local cable operator, will have control over your only local source of news. You think they'll report anything negative about the cable operator's favorite local politicians?)


As for retrans consent...


Imagine you own a business. The government passes a law that forces you to allow your competition to take your product -- without paying for it -- and use it to compete against you.

Then, once your competition becomes powerful enough to do so, they get additional legislation enacted that allows them to cut you off from access to 75% of your customers at will.



Cable TV would not exist today if broadcasters had not been forced, 40 years ago, to give away their best product to someone they knew would use it to compete against them. Retransmission fees are an attempt to recover a small part of the value of what broadcasters have been forced to give away for free for decades.

Cable operators owe their business to local broadcasters. Please forgive me if I exhibit absolutely zero sympathy for their complaints about retrans fees.
 
w9wi said:
I think the absence of these rules would be unfair to Americans who don't feel they should have to pay $300+/year for TV.



Programming is one of the largest expenses (if not *the* largest expense) at most TV stations. Public service is not the primary reason you're seeing more hours of news on most stations... it's actually becoming cheaper than buying syndicated programming.

Anyway, stations that pay a premium for exclusive access to, say, "Wheel of Fortune", in their market, expect to get the exclusive access they paid for. They don't expect to find 2/3 of the "Wheel" fans in their market able to watch the same program on a couple of out-of-town channels. The deletion of non-duplication and syndex rules would result in a significant devaluation of syndicated and network programming. If you see that happen with *all* their syndicated programming, the ability of the station to continue operating at all becomes in doubt. Alternatively, they cut back what they're willing to pay for "Wheel", and you find the quality of the program declining as the producers' customers are no longer able to pay for it.

Same deal for out-of-market network feeds.


Dropping either set of rules runs a significant risk of driving over-the-air TV out of business. At which point about 10-15% of the audience has to choose between paying several hundred $$ a year for cable/satellite, or not watching TV at all. (and a single voice, your local cable operator, will have control over your only local source of news. You think they'll report anything negative about the cable operator's favorite local politicians?)


As for retrans consent...


Imagine you own a business. The government passes a law that forces you to allow your competition to take your product -- without paying for it -- and use it to compete against you.

Then, once your competition becomes powerful enough to do so, they get additional legislation enacted that allows them to cut you off from access to 75% of your customers at will.



Cable TV would not exist today if broadcasters had not been forced, 40 years ago, to give away their best product to someone they knew would use it to compete against them. Retransmission fees are an attempt to recover a small part of the value of what broadcasters have been forced to give away for free for decades.

Cable operators owe their business to local broadcasters. Please forgive me if I exhibit absolutely zero sympathy for their complaints about retrans fees.

Are you siding with the NAB or consumers?

The rules written in the books are 20th century and outdated. This is the 21st century. But unfortunately using 20th century laws.
 
w9wi said:
Public service is not the primary reason you're seeing more hours of news on most stations...

True. Repeating the same old, same old 5 or 6 times per day is bound to be cheaper. Of course there is still the expense of the talking heads and their frequent hair bleaching costs.

w9wi said:
Same deal for out-of-market network feeds.

Dropping either set of rules runs a significant risk of driving over-the-air TV out of business. At which point about 10-15% of the audience has to choose between paying several hundred $$ a year for cable/satellite, or not watching TV at all. (and a single voice, your local cable operator, will have control over your only local source of news. You think they'll report anything negative about the cable operator's favorite local politicians?)

Au contraire....there would still be newspapers, radio and the gorilla in the room - the Internet news sources. The only thing we're likely to miss from OTA TV news are the local vehicle crashes and house fires.....oh, and those breathlessly-delivered sweeps stories like "Why do jeans cost more this year?".

Back to seriousness.....the likely result of dropping both sets of rules is a return to truly local programming, like TV was in its early days. And from those early days the only thing I would miss would be the national sports coverage, college football mostly, because most other non-prime time programming is a complete and utter waste of electrons.

w9wi said:
As for retrans consent...

Cable TV would not exist today if broadcasters had not been forced, 40 years ago, to give away their best product to someone they knew would use it to compete against them.

I'm not sure anyone back in the 50's had the foresight to calculate that cable would eventually be a competitor to OTA TV broadcasting. Early cable systems were built to bring OTA TV into places which could not receive it via antennas. If early cable carried their own programming it tended to be weather loops or auction services, not real entertainment which competed with the local stations or network fare.

OTA TV is not suffering at the hands of cable specifically but rather at content producers who are providing alternative programming. And OTA TV, for the most part, continues on carrying network and syndicated crap that fewer and fewer people want to see. They are their own worst enemy.
 
40 years ago, not 60 ;)

In the 1950s, indeed nobody saw cable as a competitor to OTA as a whole. (smaller local stations did have a problem with cable operators importing the signals of distant stations into their markets. Personally I don't think that's a valid beef, but that's what some were thinking at the time)

Where it came to be an issue was with the debut of HBO in the early 1970s. We then had someone who could outbid OTA networks for their most popular programming, by using subscription fees.

Now, I don't mean to say I think broadcasters should have been allowed to use retransmission fees to drive cable out of business altogether, or even to prevent cable from developing premium channels. I do think they were entitled to modest compensation for cable's use of their copyrighted programming over the last 40 years, and continuing today.

spencerkarter85: IMHO it's hardly consumer-friendly to allow a monopoly to drive their competition out of business & force consumers to pay for something someone is willing to provide without charge.
 
w9wi said:
40 years ago, not 60 ;)

In the 1950s, indeed nobody saw cable as a competitor to OTA as a whole. (smaller local stations did have a problem with cable operators importing the signals of distant stations into their markets. Personally I don't think that's a valid beef, but that's what some were thinking at the time)

Where it came to be an issue was with the debut of HBO in the early 1970s. We then had someone who could outbid OTA networks for their most popular programming, by using subscription fees.

Now, I don't mean to say I think broadcasters should have been allowed to use retransmission fees to drive cable out of business altogether, or even to prevent cable from developing premium channels. I do think they were entitled to modest compensation for cable's use of their copyrighted programming over the last 40 years, and continuing today.

spencerkarter85: IMHO it's hardly consumer-friendly to allow a monopoly to drive their competition out of business & force consumers to pay for something someone is willing to provide without charge.

The main problem for the 'retransmission consent' is the Network Non-Duplications and SyndEx laws in place. If the 1992 Cable Act didn't passed in the first place, we wouldn't have this problem now especially 'retransmission consent' language in the bill.
 
Of course, if the network non-duplication & syndex regulations weren't in place, there would be no point to retransmission consent as cable would have absolutely no incentive to negotiate.

As noted in another thread, I find it semi-amusing/disturbing that so many people buy cable's line that broadcasters are evil for trying to pass along their expenses to cable -- but it's perfectly OK for cable to pass along their expenses to the customers.
 
w9wi said:
Anyway, stations that pay a premium for exclusive access to, say, "Wheel of Fortune", in their market, expect to get the exclusive access they paid for. They don't expect to find 2/3 of the "Wheel" fans in their market able to watch the same program on a couple of out-of-town channels.

Why doesn't free market work in this business? Or why isn't free market allowed to work in this business?

Do they not like the competition? I own a business and have for over 10 years now. If someone right across town decides to set up shop and do the same exact thing, they are free to do so, and if they do it better, cheaper, or a different way, then they may just have the upper hand on my business and become more successful. That is just the way business works. I have to then stay competitive, or succumb.

I think that its time to let things like television and radio broadcasting to truly stand on its own. These sort of laws and regulation in my opinion, serve no purpose other than to limit the options in the long run and allow an out for businesses that truly are not as self-supporting as they should be.
 
nocomradio said:
w9wi said:
Anyway, stations that pay a premium for exclusive access to, say, "Wheel of Fortune", in their market, expect to get the exclusive access they paid for. They don't expect to find 2/3 of the "Wheel" fans in their market able to watch the same program on a couple of out-of-town channels.

Why doesn't free market work in this business? Or why isn't free market allowed to work in this business?

Do they not like the competition? I own a business and have for over 10 years now. If someone right across town decides to set up shop and do the same exact thing, they are free to do so, and if they do it better, cheaper, or a different way, then they may just have the upper hand on my business and become more successful. That is just the way business works. I have to then stay competitive, or succumb.

I think that its time to let things like television and radio broadcasting to truly stand on its own. These sort of laws and regulation in my opinion, serve no purpose other than to limit the options in the long run and allow an out for businesses that truly are not as self-supporting as they should be.

I agree with you about the free-market issue. But the NAB and FCC took away freedom of choices when comes to out-of-market networks of the big 4 on satellite. It's not a free-market. It's a freedom of choice issue.

More on 'retransmission consent', when it happens. Who's put in the middle and become the victim? The consumers are. I hate to tell you. But when they're are caught in the middle of a 'retransmission consent' (and can't afford to switch to alternate providers or satellite) and can't get that affected station OTA because they live in a fringe area. I fell sorry for them. When analog TV was around, more channels you can get OTA, now in the digitial age, less channels OTA depending on location where you live.
 
nocomradio said:
Why doesn't free market work in this business? Or why isn't free market allowed to work in this business?

Do they not like the competition? I own a business and have for over 10 years now. If someone right across town decides to set up shop and do the same exact thing, they are free to do so, and if they do it better, cheaper, or a different way, then they may just have the upper hand on my business and become more successful. That is just the way business works. I have to then stay competitive, or succumb.

If I start a business in your line across town, can I walk into your business, grab your inventory, (without paying for it) carry it to my store, and start selling it there?

Until The Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 was enacted, cable operators were allowed to do exactly that.

Unfortunately, that is the way business works, but it's sure not a "free market"!

In a free market, if I want to start a business in your line across town, I must have an agreement with suppliers to provide my inventory. And unless those suppliers are incredibly stupid ( :) ), I must pay them for that inventory -- I'm not going to get it for free.

In a free market, cable operators would have been free to either:
- Produce their own programming, of a quality such that people would be willing to give up the OTA networks in order to receive the cable-produced programming,* or:
- Negotiate a deal with OTA broadcasters to pay for access to OTA programming for retransmission on the cable.

* or outbid the OTA networks for the best programs 3rd parties were producing.
 
w9wi said:
nocomradio said:
Why doesn't free market work in this business? Or why isn't free market allowed to work in this business?

Do they not like the competition? I own a business and have for over 10 years now. If someone right across town decides to set up shop and do the same exact thing, they are free to do so, and if they do it better, cheaper, or a different way, then they may just have the upper hand on my business and become more successful. That is just the way business works. I have to then stay competitive, or succumb.

If I start a business in your line across town, can I walk into your business, grab your inventory, (without paying for it) carry it to my store, and start selling it there?

Until The Cable Television Consumer Protection and Competition Act of 1992 was enacted, cable operators were allowed to do exactly that.

Unfortunately, that is the way business works, but it's sure not a "free market"!

In a free market, if I want to start a business in your line across town, I must have an agreement with suppliers to provide my inventory. And unless those suppliers are incredibly stupid ( :) ), I must pay them for that inventory -- I'm not going to get it for free.

In a free market, cable operators would have been free to either:
- Produce their own programming, of a quality such that people would be willing to give up the OTA networks in order to receive the cable-produced programming,* or:
- Negotiate a deal with OTA broadcasters to pay for access to OTA programming for retransmission on the cable.

* or outbid the OTA networks for the best programs 3rd parties were producing.

Say if I wanted to listen to a radio station from another market online, or buying a newspaper from another place? Why not TV stations from other markets? That's an issue some are debating. Say if I was in California watching a New York station, could the California stations making revenues? They would lose it! Imagine some person said "You can't watch NYC TV stations in Greenville, SC?" the other person said "Why not?", they said "The FCC said so!". Pure baloney.

There was this IPTV company tried to change the way to watch TV online that's different than watching a traditional over-the-air TV or watching TV episodes not in real time like Hulu or premium Hulu Plus. It was called IVI.tv which is ran in Seattle, WA at first provide OTA network feeds from NYC stations (WCBS, WNBC, WNYW, WABC, WWOR, WPIX, WNET, so on) plus Seattle stations (KOMO, KING, KIRO, KCTS, etc.) later the addition of Los Angeles ones (KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KABC, KCAL, KTTV, KCOP, KOCE, etc.) and last Chicago (WBBM, WMAQ, WLS, WGN local, WTTW, WFLD, etc). They were planning to provide Philly OTA feeds (KYW, WPVI, WCAU, WPHL, WTXF, etc.), but unfortunately plans fizzed thanks to the lawsuits by the meddling broadcasters and sad part, that crackpot Federal Judge by the name of Buchwald put an injuction to IVI.tv for copyright thing. But IVI.tv claims they didn't nothing wrong, and trying to get the injuction lifted by the court of appeals, still depending, but long time. But the problem, The last Copyright Act as passed by politicans was 36 years ago. But still its 20th century laws in 21st century. Also, similar thing recently when Barry Diller (former TV executive) started Aereo with streaming NYC feeds on internet, phone, and I-Pads for those living in the NYC market. Unfortunately, Aereo is now a victim of sorry I had to say it The Copyright Curse because lawsuits from networks themselves and wanted to shut Aereo down like they did to poor IVI.tv. DirecTV rival Dish had the same feeling years ago when they were forced to shut off DNS feeds from NYC/LA to eligible and ineligible customers because they violated that so-called SHVERA law that Bush 43 signed into law in 2004, got an injunction from another crackpot Federal Judge named Dimitrouleas. As a result, a thirdparty company from Indiana provided the feeds to non-local customers (First SD feeds from Atlanta later replaced by NYC for East/San Francisco for West), then one time they provided HD feeds of Chicago or LA, but stopped. Recently, the main reason for STELA to lift Dish out of the injunction for one case. Served the missing network/s of the big four into a short market.

STELA also renewes the right to deliver distant network feeds for those without Local-into-local or unserved area on satellite. Since nowadays, they broadcast nearly every local channel to their home markets. You know in the UK, you have to buy a license for a TV because of the BBC, it's the law. Australia had a similar thing, but abolished the license thing in the 1970s.

To me the FCC and the NAB aren't Patriotic. People who were Patriotic like the late greats Martin Luther King, Jr. and Susan B. Anthony for example. They succeed in change, Martin changed segregation into intergration in the South, while years back Susan fought Voting Rights for Women, succeed. Unfortunately they're gone but their legacy still lives on. But just like you can't fight city hall. I would say You Can't Fight the FCC! But the laws are still screwed up.

But, how would you feel if your favorite TV program is pre-empted (once or permantely in its run)? Like for example WLOS 13, the ABC affiliate in the Greenville, South Carolina market licensed in Asheville, North Carolina doesn't air the ABC programming block on Saturday mornings called Litton's Weekend Adventure. Ironically, distribitor Litton Entertainment is headquarted near Charleston, South Carolina (Lowcounty SC that is). But Greenville, SC is Upstate SC three hour drive into Chucktown. If we were allowed to watch NYC/Los Angeles feeds of the big 4 networks, we could proverbly see network TV in its entirety. But sadly never happen. It's like their favorite program has been denied to the viewer by the local station. Years ago in 2009, the guy who run AAD (now Sobongo who provides DNS feeds to Dish subs without locals) provided a change called MyTV Rights, he testified in a hearing on Capitol Hill. But unfortunately, MyTV Rights didn't succeed. It's a sad situation we got to deal with.
 
spencerkarter85 said:
Say if I wanted to listen to a radio station from another market online, or buying a newspaper from another place? Why not TV stations from other markets? That's an issue some are debating. Say if I was in California watching a New York station, could the California stations making revenues? They would lose it! Imagine some person said "You can't watch NYC TV stations in Greenville, SC?" the other person said "Why not?", they said "The FCC said so!". Pure baloney.

The vast majority of the programming on most music-formatted radio stations airs only on that one station. That station has copyright in that programming and has the right to allow it to be heard out of market if they so desire.

Most programming on most TV stations is national in nature. Other stations have rights to it in other markets.

Note that many radio stations do NOT stream certain programming for which they don't have out-of-market rights, and many TV stations DO allow out-of-market viewing (over the Internet) of the programming they produce themselves.

There was this IPTV company tried to change the way to watch TV online that's different than watching a traditional over-the-air TV or watching TV episodes not in real time like Hulu....

This kinda gets to the bottom of the debate. I certainly agree there are problems with the existing copyright scheme -- continually extending the length of copyright, amazingly draconian enforcement schemes, next thing you know someone's going to claim copyright in the word "and"...

Eliminating it altogether, though, essentially removes all value from intellectual property. Those of us who work in broadcasting, we aren't selling a tangible product. You sign a deal with one of our AEs, he's not going to hand you a box containing some heavy piece of matter that's worth the check you just wrote us. Without copyright, in the end he's selling sunshine -- something anyone can grab for free.

But, how would you feel if your favorite TV program is pre-empted (once or permantely in its run)? Like for example WLOS 13, the ABC affiliate in the Greenville, South Carolina market licensed in Asheville, North Carolina doesn't air the ABC programming block on Saturday mornings called Litton's Weekend Adventure. Ironically, distribitor Litton...

Stations have always had the right, indeed duty, to preempt network programs. Is it evil for our station to preempt the network to carry the local pre-season NFL games? Or a program raising money for victims of a local natural disaster? Or an additional hour of news?

Yep, I've been disappointed. I've also seen programming that was a lot more entertaining/informative than what was being preempted.

(certainly, some stations have used this right in a less-than-responsible manner. Don't think we want to throw the baby out with the bathwater...)
 
I've heard that networks like NBC was less-tollerant in local pre-emptions (or clearance) of network programming offerings. Nowadys NBC is more-tollerant that's what I heard. But for CBS and ABC I've heard, less-tollerant.

A few years ago in 2004, I remember when our local ABC station and other sister-stations affiiated with ABC pre-empted Nightline where then-host Ted Koppel reads the names of the casualites of those wars, because of it's owners (owned by Sinclair unfortunately) said it's "Political Agenda", I think that's what I called Blantant Censorship by the station's owners. When on the night that program aired, WLOS 13 studios were filled with protesters holding candles like a vigil. I was one of the callers complaing about it that day. WLOS-13 has a 1-800 number unlike other competitors. Then, FOX Carolina (aka WHNS-21) came to the rescue by airing Nightline the Fallen (with ABC's consent) with introduction by then FOX Carolina anchorman Rich Noonan while WLOS was broadcasting Sinclair's Newscentral thingy that night. A month later, TV Guide gaved Jeers to Sinclair for this fiasco in the Cheers and Jeers section of TV Guide. Way to go TV Guide! Other Sinclair controversies like from John Kerry to the pre-empting the controversial airing of the motion picture Saving Private Ryan along with Cox, Hearst, and other ABC stations including Dallas' WFAA-8 as one example following the movement. Recent years with Obama film controversey. Months later in September 2004, WHNS-21 would broadcast a ABC Sports (now ESPN on ABC) coverage of the final day of the Labor Day Weekend Golf Game (aka Deutsche Bank Champioship) while WLOS-13 was unable to do because of it's commitment to do the annual MDA telethons (since 1976), and it's sister station WBSC-40 (now WMYA) wasn't able either. So Stan Crummley at WHNS FOX Carolina called affiliate relations at ABC to give consent to broadcast the game, success. Ironically, that game featured Bill Haas who was in 3rd place happens to be a resident of Greenville, SC.

Not all TV stations are created equal when comes to network programming offerings in some markets. I remeber when WMYA-40 was known then as indie WAXA, and they pick up some NBC shows that WYFF didn't clear like for example Super Password hosted by the late Bert Convy. But those days are gone. Unfree market is like communism, Free Market is like Freedom. NAB's ways of lobbying are communism. This is supposed to be the land of the free, but freedom isn't always free. IMHO, the NAB should be banned from lobbying in Congress and Senate.

In Canada, BellTV can provide the East/West ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and other network feeds (Boston/Seattle) for any subscriber in Canada while in the USA they can't do that to Americans because the FCC said so. Is Canada the new Free Country? This isn't right. We fought for our country, and sacraficed for. From Revolutionary War to Iraq for example. Canada's FCC counterpart is CRTC and have CanCon laws since 1970.

On other issue split-markets (multipule state market) for example, Toccoa, Gerogia is part of Greenville, SC market. But in that market more South Carolina news, some North Carolina news, and less Georgia news. This issue bothers me alot. Residents in Toccoa are denied to more Georgia state news, politics, weather, and sports in which they live, work, pay taxes, and breathe in. The Nielsen's DMA system is outdated. Way so 1950s. STELA law was supposed to put in-state programming in place. Residents of Toccoa want to watch the Atlanta Falcons, not the Carolina Panthers. 21st century digital techologies and gadget with 20th century laws. Don't match and not my cup of tea just like DWTS Judge Len Goodman saids.

USA is not Red China or Russia. Thank you again for your time.
 
On the other hand, if they allowed us to watch NYC/LA ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX stations on satellite like DirecTV. I wouldn't bother no-one or hurt a fly. Also on the IVI.tv issue (if they won it would be a landmark case for Internet TV). Broadcasters suing folks like IVI.tv and Aereno and the people at the NAB are crackpot meddlers. And greedy too.
 
w9wi said:
As noted in another thread, I find it semi-amusing/disturbing that so many people buy cable's line that broadcasters are evil for trying to pass along their expenses to cable -- but it's perfectly OK for cable to pass along their expenses to the customers.

What expenses do broadcasters have when it comes to cable/satellite carriage? Either the cable/satellite company picks the signal off the air or connects via fiber.

The former costs nothing other than an antenna and tuner, which the cable company pays for, just like the rest of us who don't pay for broadcast TV. Do the broadcasters pay for the latter? Sounds to me like the cable company should be paying for that, and as such, then factoring in those costs into the bill.
 
spencerkarter85 said:
A few years ago in 2004, I remember when our local ABC station and other sister-stations affiiated with ABC pre-empted Nightline where then-host Ted Koppel reads the names of the casualites of those wars, because of it's owners (owned by Sinclair unfortunately) said it's "Political Agenda", I think that's what I called Blantant Censorship by the station's owners. When on the night that program aired, WLOS 13 studios were filled with protesters holding candles like a vigil. I was one of the callers complaing about it that day. WLOS-13 has a 1-800 number unlike other competitors. Then, FOX Carolina (aka WHNS-21) came to the rescue by airing Nightline the Fallen ...

Sounds to me like the system worked. One broadcaster made use of their free-speech rights to refuse to broadcast something they felt was not suitable, and another broadcaster who felt differently stepped in. I wouldn't have done it the way Sinclair did, but as long as we have free speech in this country, and as long as I'm not the majority stockholder in Sinclair, they have the right to do it their way.

Had the local cable & satellite operators been able to import out-of-market ABC stations, viewers who didn't have cable or satellite would never have seen the program.

But those days are gone. Unfree market is like communism, Free Market is like Freedom. NAB's ways of lobbying are communism. This is supposed to be the land of the free, but freedom isn't always free. IMHO, the NAB should be banned from lobbying in Congress and Senate.

I find it amusing/frustrating how anything someone doesn't like is tagged as "communism"... We're talking about a battle between two large capitalist-founded & controlled companies. Both Karl Marx and Adam Smith would be confused.

If you add "NCTA" to the list of those banned from lobbying I'll think about it ;)

In Canada, BellTV can provide the East/West ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and other network feeds (Boston/Seattle) for any subscriber in Canada while in the USA they can't do that to Americans because the FCC said so.

In Canada, nearly EVERY station is owned by its network. (offhand I can only think of three stations that aren't) The Global station in Winnipeg doesn't care if the cable system there also carries the Halifax Global station; the Halifax and Winnipeg outlets are co-owned. (as are those in Calgary, and Vancouver, and Toronto, and Montreal, and everywhere else)
 
KeithE4 said:
What expenses do broadcasters have when it comes to cable/satellite carriage? Either the cable/satellite company picks the signal off the air or connects via fiber.

The former costs nothing other than an antenna and tuner, which the cable company pays for, just like the rest of us who don't pay for broadcast TV. Do the broadcasters pay for the latter? Sounds to me like the cable company should be paying for that, and as such, then factoring in those costs into the bill.

I'm not talking about expenses specifically involved in delivering the programming to the cable operator. Those are indeed paid by the cable operator. I'm talking about the general expenses involved in operating the station -- salaries, property taxes, IT infrastructure, mortgage, etc...

You don't pay for broadcast TV because you don't resell the programming. Cable operators do. They have made billions of $$ in an industry that would not exist if they hadn't been able to resell the most popular TV programming. It is not unreasonable to expect them to pay something for the product they're reselling.
 
w9wi said:
KeithE4 said:
What expenses do broadcasters have when it comes to cable/satellite carriage? Either the cable/satellite company picks the signal off the air or connects via fiber.

The former costs nothing other than an antenna and tuner, which the cable company pays for, just like the rest of us who don't pay for broadcast TV. Do the broadcasters pay for the latter? Sounds to me like the cable company should be paying for that, and as such, then factoring in those costs into the bill.

I'm not talking about expenses specifically involved in delivering the programming to the cable operator. Those are indeed paid by the cable operator. I'm talking about the general expenses involved in operating the station -- salaries, property taxes, IT infrastructure, mortgage, etc...

You don't pay for broadcast TV because you don't resell the programming. Cable operators do. They have made billions of $$ in an industry that would not exist if they hadn't been able to resell the most popular TV programming. It is not unreasonable to expect them to pay something for the product they're reselling.

Is like me protesting FCC regulations while w9wi are defending it. Old trick in the book. But w9wi is like a Broadcasting Geek when knowing about broadcasting and broadcast laws.
 
spencerkarter85 said:
Unfree market is like communism, Free Market is like Freedom. NAB's ways of lobbying are communism. This is supposed to be the land of the free, but freedom isn't always free. IMHO, the NAB should be banned from lobbying in Congress and Senate.

Wow...and you think that anyone is going to take anything you write seriously? The NAB's lobbying is not communism by any stretch of the imagination -- it's an industry that is trying to protect themselves. You can disagree with their goals, but to call it communism just makes you look foolish and ignorant.

For that matter, arguing that cable and satellite companies should be able to freely swipe programming from any broadcast TV station in the country and import it to where ever they wish isn't a free market by any stretch of the imagination. It's really just economic parasitism.

In any event, if the rules you hate so much were eliminated, at this point in time all that would happen is that the networks and syndicators would negotiate exclusive distribution areas for their programming for specific stations. Importation of programming from distant stations would still be largely precluded as it would violate those distribution agreements. It's kind of like the fact that I can't open a new McDonalds next to one that already exists because their franchise agreement gives them exclusive territory.

So it can be argued that these regulations may be unnecessary -- because if they were eliminated, the free market would simply use contracts to replicate their effect. Either way, you're still not going to be watching those distant network affiliates.
 
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