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FCC sets mandatory HD conversion date

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Just like when TV went digital, radio is going all digital. By July 1, 2015, all radio broadcasting will be 100% digital. I doubt that there will be enough HD radios to make it viable to convert to all digital. This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio.
 
Nick said:
Just like when TV went digital, radio is going all digital. By July 1, 2015, all radio broadcasting will be 100% digital. I doubt that there will be enough HD radios to make it viable to convert to all digital. This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio.

April fool's joke, of course.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Nick said:
Just like when TV went digital, radio is going all digital. By July 1, 2015, all radio broadcasting will be 100% digital. I doubt that there will be enough HD radios to make it viable to convert to all digital. This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio.

April fool's joke, of course.
Every good joke has a hint of truth to it.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta
 
badjef said:
DavidEduardo said:
Nick said:
Just like when TV went digital, radio is going all digital. By July 1, 2015, all radio broadcasting will be 100% digital. I doubt that there will be enough HD radios to make it viable to convert to all digital. This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio.

April fool's joke, of course.
Every good joke has a hint of truth to it.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta

What truth would that be? Congress would be the entity to sunset analog radio, not the FCC, as Congress mandated the digital TV conversion. The FCC has repeatedly stated that the marketplace will decide the fate of HD. There are no reclamation needs that exist for the analog radio spectrum, as there were for TV.
 
I'm thinkin Nick posted it. of corse its a joke.
Tha'ts before i read it.
I'm thinkin yeah right as soon as i saw the author.
 
John Holcomb II said:
I'm thinkin Nick posted it. of corse its a joke.
Tha'ts before i read it.
I'm thinkin yeah right as soon as i saw the author.

An unfunny joke, in my opinion. If you were an analog-only broadcaster, would you be laughing if true?
 
No, of corse i wouldn't. However dont people normally post these things with links so it can be verified?
Besides, wouldn't there be a huge debate on this process with broadcasters and all that gettin involved, ya know a public fileing window, all this?
There's not a lot of HD radio's out there.
 
John Holcomb II said:
No, of corse i wouldn't. However dont people normally post these things with links so it can be verified?
Besides, wouldn't there be a huge debate on this process with broadcasters and all that gettin involved, ya know a public fileing window, all this?
There's not a lot of HD radio's out there.

Sorry, I didn't mean you in particular. Well, look at all the debate under Docket 99-325, and how the corrupt FCC has given iBiquity everything they wanted. Sgt. Peter "Bilko" Ferrara is the master at spreading false rumors.
 
"This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio."

Already happened. Think back to 1996.
 
Savage said:
Is Ferrara still there? I thought they had replaced him with Pee Wee Herman...

Ferrara made a remark recently about being critical-mass with the retailers. I believe he was demoted a while ago to VP, or something. I guess The Alliance determined that "lying" Diane Warren was a better liar than Ferrara, and she took over as President of the Liar's Club.
 
gosmith123 said:
What truth would that be? Congress would be the entity to sunset analog radio, not the FCC, as Congress mandated the digital TV conversion. The FCC has repeatedly stated that the marketplace will decide the fate of HD. There are no reclamation needs that exist for the analog radio spectrum, as there were for TV.

The FCC does (best this non-lawyer can tell) have the power to sunset analog radio if they so desired.

I think we can reasonably assume they do not so desire!

(and if they *were* to make that decision, Congress has the power to roll it back..)
 
gosmith123 said:
badjef said:
DavidEduardo said:
Nick said:
Just like when TV went digital, radio is going all digital. By July 1, 2015, all radio broadcasting will be 100% digital. I doubt that there will be enough HD radios to make it viable to convert to all digital. This is probably going to be the death of radio as we know it since most people won't buy a new radio.

April fool's joke, of course.
Every good joke has a hint of truth to it.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta

What truth would that be? Congress would be the entity to sunset analog radio, not the FCC, as Congress mandated the digital TV conversion. The FCC has repeatedly stated that the marketplace will decide the fate of HD. There are no reclamation needs that exist for the analog radio spectrum, as there were for TV.
If you read the preceeding posts, you now have your answer.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
w9wi said:
The FCC does (best this non-lawyer can tell) have the power to sunset analog radio if they so desired.

I think we can reasonably assume they do not so desire!

Indeed, you can! The FCC explicitly said in its initial IBOC R&O that it would let the marketplace decide on a transition timetable, especially given the proprietary nature of iBiquity's technology.

And keep in mind that an all-digital HD signal is the technology's end-state. Is this still being actively developed/tested?

Meanwhile, the NAB is working on a "confidential" report about the future of the AM band. Caroline Beasley dropped that nugget in a recent Q&A with Radio World. So there's always the potential for backdoor "adoption."
 
diymedia said:
Meanwhile, the NAB is working on a "confidential" report about the future of the AM band. Caroline Beasley dropped that nugget in a recent Q&A with Radio World. So there's always the potential for backdoor "adoption."

Actually, I wonder if mandatory adoption of hybrid IBOC would be *beneficial* to the AM service?

Idea being, a significant majority of AM stations either couldn't afford to make the switch, or would decide continuing to operate an AM station wasn't worth the investment.

The survivors, even with the IBOC adjacent-channel interference, would find a quieter band & a greater chance of reaching their entire market. In many cases, power increases (and/or looser patterns) would be possible, increasing the chances of overcoming interference from unintentional radiators. (and foreign stations)
 
w9wi said:
gosmith123 said:
What truth would that be? Congress would be the entity to sunset analog radio, not the FCC, as Congress mandated the digital TV conversion. The FCC has repeatedly stated that the marketplace will decide the fate of HD. There are no reclamation needs that exist for the analog radio spectrum, as there were for TV.

The FCC does (best this non-lawyer can tell) have the power to sunset analog radio if they so desired.

I think we can reasonably assume they do not so desire!

(and if they *were* to make that decision, Congress has the power to roll it back..)

The Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005

Buried in Section III of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (S 1932) was the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005 signed by President Bush on Feb. 8, 2006. In that bill was the Feb. 17, 2009 deadline Congress set for shutting off the analog TV signal and switching on the digital signal that will carry High Definition (HD) TV.

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20090117.htm

The same would be needed for an analog radio shutoff. There would be too many anti-trust issues, trying to force radio stations to pay licensing and ongoing fees to iBiquity. I am sure there would be some sort of class-action lawsuit by broadcasters.
 
gosmith123 said:
w9wi said:
gosmith123 said:
What truth would that be? Congress would be the entity to sunset analog radio, not the FCC, as Congress mandated the digital TV conversion. The FCC has repeatedly stated that the marketplace will decide the fate of HD. There are no reclamation needs that exist for the analog radio spectrum, as there were for TV.

The FCC does (best this non-lawyer can tell) have the power to sunset analog radio if they so desired.

I think we can reasonably assume they do not so desire!

(and if they *were* to make that decision, Congress has the power to roll it back..)

The Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005

Buried in Section III of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (S 1932) was the Digital Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005 signed by President Bush on Feb. 8, 2006. In that bill was the Feb. 17, 2009 deadline Congress set for shutting off the analog TV signal and switching on the digital signal that will carry High Definition (HD)
Just to clarify, there wasn't a turn off of one, and a turn on of the other, in the same day.

Digital had already been on the air for over 10 years in most instances prior to the February 17, 2009 date. The original shut down of analog was supposed to be December 1, 2005. That didn't happen. But by the time the shutdown of analog, we were already dealing with 10 year old implemented technology.

Jeff in Sa-ra-so-ta!
 
"Just to clarify, there wasn't a turn off of one, and a turn on of the other, in the same day."

Of course, you'd have never known that, if you watched the FCC's "Dog and Pony Show" in Wilmington ;D .....
The "Switch TO Digital". ::)
 
Jeez, w9. Do you think a "significant majority of AM operators" would just sit passively by while the Commission used a rulemaking proceeding to summarily put them out of business? Any attempt along these lines would be met with a massive litigation onslaught which would dwarf the fights with Leonard Kahn and AM stereo.

And a lesson needs to be drawn from the current experience with AM-HD. With the possible exception of my station and a few others, the vast majority of the AM stations injured by skywave adjacent-channel interference have been co-owned AMs operated by HD perpetrators. Think WBZ-KDKA, et al. Even if the industry decided to stampede smaller operators out of business by scaring them with HD, the current allocation scheme would remain unworkable. The band would still be a mess. Remember, HD-AM needs more than 40 mv/m for reliable decoding at night. If the band went all-digital, most listeners would tune in to be greeted by....silence from a muted receiver.

Then, of course, there is the receiver problem: namely, there aren't any. And you think AM operators are just going to shut off the analog signals representing 100% of their revenue? Rotsa ruck arguing THAT one in the boardroom.
 
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