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What in the world is wrong with our federal government? What in the world is wrong with our president?

It has been over 100 hours since the storm hit, and troops are JUST NOW arriving in NOLA!! We should have had them their right after it happened. And what are we doing BUSSING out of the Superdome?? Fly em. And if you can't, use a Helicopter. One of those massige Black Hawk Helicopters caries... how many people?? A lot more than the thirty at a time we are bussing 300 miles to Houston. Copter people to Baton Rouge, then Plane them from there to where ever you want them to go.

The bottom line is... Bush says "we are going to help", but all he has done is propose money. Well, guess what.. you should have been their for "Your people". It has taken him longer to get troops to New Orleans then it did for him to get them to Iraq. And with the estimates for dead reaching and surpasing heartbreaking numbers like 10,000, I can't believe that man has not realized that HE IS FAILING!!!!

If estimates are correct.. this is worse than 9/11. But Bush won't treat it like that, because he can't use a Hurricane as an excuse to go to war. He could use 9/11 on his political agenda, so he was all over it. But now, since Katrina doesn't help his agenda, it has taken him a week to get troops down there, and even longer to figure something out.

The bottom line.. asking his dad and Bill Clinton to try and raise money is NOT ENOUGH!!! DO SOMETHING, "LEADER"!!! You call yourself a "uniter", well... UNITE!!!!

I know its not the time to speak negatively about our leader.. but this has been handled like a bunch of 9-year-olds are running the country. It is true. And it is time that he realizes that he is a failure... and his efforts are not helping like they should be.

CTL
 
> What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> What in the world is wrong with our president?
>
In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices) and his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.

When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam", Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".

Looks like history is repeating itself.
 
What the sad part is he could care less... this is his last term anyways, now what about Kanye West...he was right at some points but to make this a racial issue is wong...its more of a demographic issue... the ones who were stranded are poor and in poverty so the government could care less if they die...like one woman said in the astrodome when it comes to voting they are important but after the election they could care less....

Sorry to say this but this country mostly runs on money and greed.

I bet if is New Orleans was another beverly hills (wealthy people) then there would have been help sent right away (federal and private)


> > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> >
> In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
> skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices) and
> his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
>
> When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
>
> Looks like history is repeating itself.
>
 
OH GOOD FREAKING GOD.

Should this not be a LOCAL and STATE problem more than a federal?? The local government knows the area better than the federal government and should have the plan in place to get proper aid to the area of course with the help of the federal government.

If you are pinning this on the President you are looking in the wrong direction. The Local and state governments are the one you need to look at. With the geographical situation that N.O. is in, if the city hall didnt have a plan for this, well god help us all. The Federal Governement should be there at the request of the state and local government, and working off of the State and local government plans. The Federal governement should not come into the area and say "This is how it should be done".

A prime example of how it should be done is what happend at 9/11. Guliani took control and got the help of the federal government.

All that being said, no matter how much you plan there will be thing that fall through the cracks, especially with the storm of this size. You just leanr and adjust you plan for next time.

> What the sad part is he could care less... this is his last
> term anyways, now what about Kanye West...he was right at
> some points but to make this a racial issue is wong...its
> more of a demographic issue... the ones who were stranded
> are poor and in poverty so the government could care less if
> they die...like one woman said in the astrodome when it
> comes to voting they are important but after the election
> they could care less....
>
> Sorry to say this but this country mostly runs on money and
> greed.
>
> I bet if is New Orleans was another beverly hills (wealthy
> people) then there would have been help sent right away
> (federal and private)
>
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > >
> > In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> > the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
>
> > skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices)
> and
> > his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
> >
> > When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> > Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
> >
> > Looks like history is repeating itself.
> >
>
 
Goood poits....HOWEVER.....from what I gave been hearing is that back in 1999 he was told that those levies would NOT WITHOLD at Cat 4 hurricane, so he went ahead and plaaned to get them repaired but when push came to shove and he was running out of money because of the War in Iraq Pres Bush took most of the federal funds...and well... no money = no fixing of the levy. And you are right about local government, with a mayor who just gave up and said they shouldnt rebuild shouldnt even show his face when the water receeds and NOLA becomes a grat city again....as compared to 9/11 2 buildings falling down is one thing....this is a WHOLE city (or from what I heard 80%) that is under water... the towers cannot equal 80% of NY.

one last thing....It mostly takes FEDERAL money for local and state government to run.


> OH GOOD FREAKING GOD.
>
> Should this not be a LOCAL and STATE problem more than a
> federal?? The local government knows the area better than
> the federal government and should have the plan in place to
> get proper aid to the area of course with the help of the
> federal government.
>
> If you are pinning this on the President you are looking in
> the wrong direction. The Local and state governments are
> the one you need to look at. With the geographical
> situation that N.O. is in, if the city hall didnt have a
> plan for this, well god help us all. The Federal
> Governement should be there at the request of the state and
> local government, and working off of the State and local
> government plans. The Federal governement should not come
> into the area and say "This is how it should be done".
>
> A prime example of how it should be done is what happend at
> 9/11. Guliani took control and got the help of the federal
> government.
>
> All that being said, no matter how much you plan there will
> be thing that fall through the cracks, especially with the
> storm of this size. You just leanr and adjust you plan for
> next time.
>

>
 
> > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> >
> In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
> skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices) and
> his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
>
> When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
>
> Looks like history is repeating itself.
>

The New Orleans mayor sits in a radio studio and whines without providing any leadership: TV shows New Orleans cops in uniform pushing a cart through the WalMart long with other looters, at some precincts 60% of NO cops simply abandon the job. New Orleans was a corrupt, crime-ridden, poorly run city before Katrina and the house of cards that was local government collapsed even before the wind stopped blowing.

On top of that, the plain sad truth is, Mother Nature kicked their asses in NO and no one, repeat, could have had a plan for any sort of more rapid response to this kind of disaster. You may not realize it but under law, the federal government ASSISTS local government and responds to the requests of local government, which of course we all learned had become totally disfunctional. The law does not allow the military to come and just take charge: if it did, you perhaps would have seen the faster response that some seem to think was possible, despite the unprecedented magnitude of the disaster. At this point, the best thing that could happen would be for the federal government to just take over the city, but again there's probably no law to allow that.

I am simply amazed at the parades of "leaders" without leadership ability who can find no way to give guidance or encouragement to people in need, but instead
just take turns lining up to point blame at others.

The saying is "lead, follow or get out of the way," but these so-called leaders add a fourth option: obstruct.

Quit wasting your time second-guessing and getting pissed about things you don't understand.

And keep in mind, that one force, and one force only is to blamed for the tragic circumstances in this region: a hurricane named Katrina. It has been proven time and again over the milleniums from Pompei to San Franciso to Galveston to Southeast Asia: Mother Nature can and will conjure up forces that can crush anything man-made.
 
> The New Orleans mayor sits in a radio studio and whines
> without providing any leadership: TV shows New Orleans cops
> in uniform pushing a cart through the WalMart long with
> other looters, at some precincts 60% of NO cops simply
> abandon the job. New Orleans was a corrupt, crime-ridden,
> poorly run city before Katrina and the house of cards that
> was local government collapsed even before the wind stopped
> blowing.

This is ridiculous. The mayor has been on the ground slogging through water in the city far more than Gov Doe Eyes or the president poking through wreckage with a bunch of white guys hand wringing over the loss of Trent Lott's house.

TV shows showed TWO NOLA cops looting. They'll hopefully be fired along with a whole pile of politicians who call press conferences instead of doing their jobs.

Louisiana is not a rich state. We have a federal government that promotes they are the ones that come running when a major disaster hits. But they hardly came running. God help us when the terrorists hit again. Will you be satisfied when the FEMA Amateur Hour works its way into your town five days after the fact?

> On top of that, the plain sad truth is, Mother Nature kicked
> their asses in NO and no one, repeat, could have had a plan
> for any sort of more rapid response to this kind of
> disaster.

Except for... New Orleans, FEMA, and the Dept. of Homeland Security who all admitted they have plans for a response to a category 5 hurricane hitting NOLA. They even ran a drill a few years ago.

> You may not realize it but under law, the federal
> government ASSISTS local government and responds to the
> requests of local government, which of course we all learned
> had become totally disfunctional. The law does not allow the
> military to come and just take charge: if it did, you
> perhaps would have seen the faster response that some seem
> to think was possible, despite the unprecedented magnitude
> of the disaster.

This is nonsense too. Even Chertoff says they don't need to wait for local governments to respond to a major disaster ... because it is a major disaster. After all, he said, how do local governments call for help when their communications are totally destroyed?

> I am simply amazed at the parades of "leaders" without
> leadership ability who can find no way to give guidance or
> encouragement to people in need, but instead
> just take turns lining up to point blame at others.

The blame has been going in the right directions, mostly from the people on the ground living it. The "leaders" aren't pointing fingers - they are holding press conferences congratulating each other for their paper pushing.

> And keep in mind, that one force, and one force only is to
> blamed for the tragic circumstances in this region: a
> hurricane named Katrina. It has been proven time and again
> over the milleniums from Pompei to San Franciso to Galveston
> to Southeast Asia: Mother Nature can and will conjure up
> forces that can crush anything man-made.

That's nice, but our response to that is completely within our control.
 
> A prime example of how it should be done is what happend at
> 9/11. Guliani took control and got the help of the federal
> government.

I live in New York. Our state is far more wealthy than Louisiana and we have a lot more resources to bring to bear. Giuliani could walk a few miles up Manhattan, grab a bagel, coffee, and his cell phone and call for help. You can do none of that in New Orleans. It didn't take five days for the cavalry to hit NYC after 9/11. Both Giuliani and Louisiana officals called for help. They only took one call, the other one they left on hold telling them "your call is very important to us, please hold the line...."

> All that being said, no matter how much you plan there will
> be thing that fall through the cracks, especially with the
> storm of this size. You just leanr and adjust you plan for
> next time.

How many hurricanes does it take to get FEMA to respond? Do these people even have TV's? The reporters had more access than FEMA. FEMA claims they didn't know there were people at the convention center... 48 hours after the news channels showed the people at the center.
 
> What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> What in the world is wrong with our president?
>
> It has been over 100 hours since the storm hit, and troops
> are JUST NOW arriving in NOLA!! We should have had them
> their right after it happened. And what are we doing
> BUSSING out of the Superdome?? Fly em. And if you can't,
> use a Helicopter. One of those massige Black Hawk
> Helicopters caries... how many people?? A lot more than the
> thirty at a time we are bussing 300 miles to Houston.
> Copter people to Baton Rouge, then Plane them from there to
> where ever you want them to go.
>
> The bottom line is... Bush says "we are going to help", but
> all he has done is propose money. Well, guess what.. you
> should have been their for "Your people". It has taken him
> longer to get troops to New Orleans then it did for him to
> get them to Iraq. And with the estimates for dead reaching
> and surpasing heartbreaking numbers like 10,000, I can't
> believe that man has not realized that HE IS FAILING!!!!
>
> If estimates are correct.. this is worse than 9/11. But
> Bush won't treat it like that, because he can't use a
> Hurricane as an excuse to go to war. He could use 9/11 on
> his political agenda, so he was all over it. But now, since
> Katrina doesn't help his agenda, it has taken him a week to
> get troops down there, and even longer to figure something
> out.
>
> The bottom line.. asking his dad and Bill Clinton to try and
> raise money is NOT ENOUGH!!! DO SOMETHING, "LEADER"!!! You
> call yourself a "uniter", well... UNITE!!!!
>
> I know its not the time to speak negatively about our
> leader.. but this has been handled like a bunch of
> 9-year-olds are running the country. It is true. And it is
> time that he realizes that he is a failure... and his
> efforts are not helping like they should be.
>
> CTL
>
Well at least he made a LITTLE effort and got his butt down there. It may not have been fast enough but its better then nothing.<P ID="signature">______________

AIM: JeremyA1069</P>
 
We all know that if a Democrat was President it wouldn't have mattered how long the response took. We're hearimng all the "I wake up every morning p**ed that George Bush is President and hate him with all my heart" crowd that's complaining.<P ID="signature">______________
Greetings from Ohio-where the governor wants everyone to know he's sorry.</P>
 
Some Posters are Misinformed

    There is an egregious amount of misinformation in some of the posts below. It's inevitable there are questions followed by a lot of finger-pointing, all of it blessed with hindsight, of course, essentially asking "how prepared weren't we?"
    A Knight-Ridder piece (www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/12528233.htm) focused on the administration's apparent skimping on non-terrorism-related disaster preparedness. Federal flood control spending for southeastern Louisiana has been chopped from $69 million in 2001 to $36.5 million this year. Federal hurricane protection for the Lake Pontchartrain vicinity in the Army Corps of Engineers' budget dropped from $14.25 million in 2002 to $5.7 million this year. Local politicians had requested $27 million this year.
    Last year, the Army Corps of Engineers, facing budget cuts, stopped major work on the levee system for the first time in 37 years. The former head of the Army Corps of Engineers said the damage probably would have been much less extensive had flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years. The Wall Street Journal says that in 2002 the president fired the head of the Corps after the official pushed for a new flood-control program.
    The Times-Picayune once did a series looking at the lack preparation for a direct hit (www.nola.com/hurricane/?/washingaway); How do you suppose it read to the 280,000 people who get the paper? How do you suppose it read back then to New Orleans policy makers? How do you suppose it reads today? How does it read today to those whose decisions resulted in less money for preventive measures? Earlier this week an op-ed piece in the Washington Post by one county director of emergency management wrote that the White House, in a "preoccupation with terrorism," is giving short shrift to natural-disaster preparedness and sticking a knife in FEMA. He wrote, in part:

    "This year it was announced that FEMA is to 'officially' lose the disaster preparedness function that it has had since its creation. The move is a death blow to an agency that was already on life support. In fact, FEMA employees have been directed not to be-come involved in disaster preparedness functions, since a new directorate (yet to be established) will have that mission. ...
    "To be sure, America may well be hit by another major terrorist attack, and we must be prepared for such an event. But I can guarantee you that hurricanes like the one that ripped into Louisiana and Mississippi yesterday, along with tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, floods, windstorms, mudslides, power outages, fires and perhaps a pandemic flu will have to be dealt with on a weekly and daily basis throughout this country. They are coming for sure, sooner or later, even as we are, to an unconscionable degree, weakening our ability to respond to them."

    The Katrina disaster comes at one of the lowest points in George Bush's presidency. The latest approval rating numbers from a CBS News poll done Thursday: a 41% approval rating, as low as it's ever been, driven down by the war in Iraq and the soaring coast of gas. Editorial pages across the nation took harsh aim: "What appeared to be a halting response Tuesday" and "a better leader would've flow straight to the disaster zone and announced the immediate mobilization of every available sort."
    It doesn't help that the federal government doesn't do anything quickly. The hospital ship Comfort, mobilized out of Baltimore yesterday, won't arrive in New Orleans for about two weeks. We knew this was a bad hurricane. Could the Comfort and other resources have been pre-positioned?
    We are all guilty of procrastinating --I'll fix the leaky water heater tomorrow; I know the gas guage is on "E" but I don't need to fill up, I'll make it. And so on. Perhaps in this case, we foolishly based our actions on the "we've been through hurricanes before" attitude, where infrastructure projects are awarded to the lowest possible bidder, who then builds a less than superior levee to save money. Is it laissez faire, political corruption, budget crunches that leave no choice but to settle for a lesser product?
    It may be a moot point because the fact is govern-ments at every level cut corners, rob Peter to pay Paul and then keep their fingers crossed. The point is, who is next? It's a sure bet that nine in 10 residents are not prepared for the major earthquake that will one day level the San Francisco Bay Area, but the question is, shouldn't every level of government be prepared? The mayor of Charleston, SC, where Hurricane Hugo struck in the 90s, said Friday, "I knew looking at the Weather Channel that Gulfport was going to be destroyed. I'm the mayor of Charleston, but I knew that!" From the Weather Channel.
    And then there was this stunning statement from Michael Brown, the head of FEMA, who said on Thursday --and you're not gonna believe it, quote: "The federal government did not know until today that the people trapped in the convention center were trapped in the convention center."
    This is the agency charged with reacting to exactly this kind of natural disaster, and the head of the agency says, "we didn't know." Why not? Who screwed that up? Is this man qualified to run the agency, or is it just another friend appointed by a politician (and the president has appointed a lot of people to positions for which they are unqualified). Who signed off on cutting budgets for FEMA? Who fired the head of the Army Corp of Engineers when he got a little too pushy about the lack of funds to take care of the levee system?
    Somewhere in this country, a disaster of similar proportions will strike, be it Mother Nature or man-made. When seaports go unguarded, when nuclear plants sit alone and vulnerable, is it fair to question how well we can expect our government to protect us in and emergency of such proportions? Or from one? The answer may be scarier than any of us would like to know.
    This will turn into a political football sooner or later --sooner if relief efforts don't shape up quickly. A Slidell resident now living in a lean-to on the side of the road had a message for the president: "If you go in Iraq with big helicopters and set stuff up for people, but you can't do this for us --c'mon Bush, you could do better than that!"
    That may not be fair to the president and there's blame enough to spread on EVERYONE in government, not just the White House. But few will question the recently signed Federal Highway Bill and its $286 billion soaked up by Congressional representatives so they could pass out the pork to those of us back home so we could vote them into the next election. 6,000 pieces of pork, like:
    --Washington, D-C: Dale Carnegie public speaking training for sanitation workers, $100,000; computerized car towing service, $300,000
    --Converse, TX: a trailer to transport lawnmowers to lawnmower drag races: $3,000
    --South Dakota: a paging system for the state agricultural fair: $29,995
    --Montgomery County, MD: eight large-screen plasma televisions: $160,000
    --Tiptonville, TN: Purchases including a Gator all-terrain vehicle and two defibrillators, one for use at high school basketball games: $183,000
    --Vermont: construction of a snowmobile trail, $7.3 million
    --Santa Clara County, CA: four Segway scooters to transport bomb squad personnel: $18,000
    --Mason County, WA: biochemical decontamination units that have been sitting in a warehouse for more than a year with no one trained to use them: $63,000
    --Prince Georges County, MD: digital camera system for mug shots: $500,000
    --Newark, NJ: air-conditioned garbage trucks, $300,000; a rap song "to teach children emergency preparedness," $100,000, and for "decorative artwork, plants, kitchen appliances and fitness equipment" for the Transportation Security Administration, $500,000
    --Madisonville, TX: a custom trailer for the annual October Mushroom Festival to treat individuals who need first aid: $30,000
    You mean in all that pork we couldn't find the paltry amount the Army Corp of Engineers needed to continue maintaining the levee system for a city as vulnerable as New Orleans? Wait till it hits the rest of the country. People have no idea how critical the New Orleans port is to the vitality of the country's economy. Every corner of the nation will be paying more for nearly everything. The first estimate of economic losses from the storm are out from a risk management firm that does this sort of thing all the time. The total economic cost: $100 billion. How wise was it to save a few million by cutting FEMA's budget 44%, or the Army Corp of Engineers budget by nearly 60%? Talk about an ounce of prevention. And let's not even think about the environmental damage on what was already on of the most polluted stretches of water in the country, in part due to those lovely refineries we're all now desperate to have back online.
    Politics is about perception --we all know about the seven minutes the president sat in a classroom after being told the country was under attack; this time he wasted four days. Look, if your administration is responsible for cuts in FEMA's budget, or firing an official who pushed for a new flood-control program, AND you made those cuts to divert money to a policy opposed by half the country and that now appears to be getting worse, it's not hard to picture the spin we'll hear from political opponents, especially with Congressional elections little more than a year away.
    Hey, at least Cindy Sheehan is off the front page, and you know someone in the White House said that with a certain sigh of relief.
    Some say the president's tenure will be defined by his handling of two major disasters, but there's a risk that he'll be defined instead by how he mismanaged them. History is always the final judge but right now, it ain't lookin' too good.
    You'll excuse me now, I have a leaky water heater to fix.
 
truth check

The truth is FEMA was absorbed by Homeland Security.
It is obvious that it isn't.
The Bush administration deluted it's functions and
The chain of command was broken.
It is the falt of George Bush, period.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Stop spinning the suffering of New Orleans.
 
Re: truth check

> The truth is FEMA was absorbed by Homeland Security.
> It is obvious that it isn't.
> The Bush administration deluted it's functions and
> The chain of command was broken.
> It is the falt of George Bush, period.
> People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
> Stop spinning the suffering of New Orleans.
>

On the federal level, EVERYTHING is run out of the White House and nothing gets done or does anything wihtout White House permission in order to assure that the agencies toe the Bush/Rove line. What you are seeing is the result of fundamental failure of leadership at the local, state, and federal levels. This was a disaster that everyone knew would come, yet until the storm was imminent, nothing was done. The military and national guard proved that they have the resouces and skills to save people, but the politicos couldn't get their acts together with enough foresight to assure that relief efforts could come in a timely matter.
 
"You just leanr and adjust you plan for next time. "

Are you kidding me??? Thousands are going to die when it's all said and done, and we just learn our lesson and move on????

We can point the finger all day as to who is responsible for the floods, but I do fault our federal government for taking so long. And, I voted for Bush in both elections. I'm not sure after this if I would vote for him again if he could run in 2008. It's been embarassing.

The police are looting (reports say they had very little food), no one was in control, and people were stranded and dying. The federal government has a duty...get in there and get things under control. And I am tired of these officials patting themselves on the back. Ridiculous.

This would have been a moment to shine. Instead, it will be turned into a political issue and will define the presidency of George W. Bush.

God help all of those people that are still stranded and God bless those that perished. What a sad time for America...not only did we lose thousands, but we have learned that the leadership that we trusted really did not exist.



> OH GOOD FREAKING GOD.
>
> Should this not be a LOCAL and STATE problem more than a
> federal?? The local government knows the area better than
> the federal government and should have the plan in place to
> get proper aid to the area of course with the help of the
> federal government.
>
> If you are pinning this on the President you are looking in
> the wrong direction. The Local and state governments are
> the one you need to look at. With the geographical
> situation that N.O. is in, if the city hall didnt have a
> plan for this, well god help us all. The Federal
> Governement should be there at the request of the state and
> local government, and working off of the State and local
> government plans. The Federal governement should not come
> into the area and say "This is how it should be done".
>
> A prime example of how it should be done is what happend at
> 9/11. Guliani took control and got the help of the federal
> government.
>
> All that being said, no matter how much you plan there will
> be thing that fall through the cracks, especially with the
> storm of this size. You just leanr and adjust you plan for
> next time.
>
> > What the sad part is he could care less... this is his
> last
> > term anyways, now what about Kanye West...he was right at
>
> > some points but to make this a racial issue is wong...its
> > more of a demographic issue... the ones who were stranded
> > are poor and in poverty so the government could care less
> if
> > they die...like one woman said in the astrodome when it
> > comes to voting they are important but after the election
> > they could care less....
> >
> > Sorry to say this but this country mostly runs on money
> and
> > greed.
> >
> > I bet if is New Orleans was another beverly hills (wealthy
>
> > people) then there would have been help sent right away
> > (federal and private)
> >
> >
> > > > What in the world is wrong with our federal
> government?
> >
> > > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > > >
> > > In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will
> have
> > > the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result
> of
> >
> > > skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices)
> > and
> > > his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
> > >
> > > When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
>
> > > Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
> > >
> > > Looks like history is repeating itself.
> > >
> >
>
 
Northern Perspective

>
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Katrina has left a black-eye on the face of our country, regardless of where one lives, east, west, south or north (Buffalo,NY to be exact.) Who would have thought a great city such as New Orleans would be reduced to its present state, with the poor and homeless appearing more like victims in Sri Lanka, Mogadishu or Kosovo rather than citizens of this great republic.

We're talking about citizens of the United States of America, not refugees or displaced persons from a third world country. The same citizens who depend on their government, local, state and federal, to protect and provide for them in times of war and peace, and natural disasters.

I'm an American. And I'm proud to be an American. But I'm aghast at what's been going on in this great country for the last five years and frankly, what's going on in New Orleans makes me feel ashamed. As a former member of "the media," I'm disgusted that the media has essentially given the Bush cabal a free pass on Iraq and the "War On Terra'."

It's about time Americans started asking tough questions and follow-up questions when those answers don't pass what we in the newsroom used to call "the laugh test." I applaud Mayor Ray Nagin and I applaud Entercom & WWL for have the 'nads to go with the interview. What you we heard was "broadcasting in the public interest, convenience and necessity." That's what it's all about folks. At least that's what it used to be all about before the radio business went off the deep end and began eating its own.

Dubya's appearance yesterday in Mississippi, while admirable, proved the man doesn't have a clue without Karl Rove whispering answers in his ear and feeding him talking points on the stump for pre-screened audiences.
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The President, speaking to two African-American women and a white male: "Can't you go to the local emergency shelter?"

White male, victim of hurricane Katrina, respectfully: "It's all gone, Mr. President."

Bush: Another 'can't you get any food' type of question.

White male: "No Mr. President, there's nothing here..."
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Sound familiar?

It's kind of like calling Limbaugh, Hannity or any of the generic right wing gasbag Rush-wannabees on your local Clear Channel, Entercom, Cox, Infinity or Citadel stations. Here, I'll cut Entercom some slack because from what's been written hear and what I've heard DX'ing, they've done a remarkable job, given the circumstances.

What we're seeing in New Orleans only typifies the Bush administration's neglect for the cities of this great country. The Times-Picayune recently printed a series of articles which exposed the lack of funding and budget cuts to programs that could have minimized or altogether averted the flooding in the Crescent City.

Hope you enjoyed your federal tax cuts folks because tragically, the states and cities were left holding the bag. What happened in New Orleans could just as well happen in Cleveland, Buffalo or Milwaukee.

What New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said in the WWL interview needed to be said. It may have been gruff and rough around the edges, I'd prefer not hearing the g-d word, but it needed to be said. What's more important, it needed to be heard! It should have been said a long time ago by the people's representatives in Congress and by the local and national media.

It's interesting that national-know-it-alls like Rush and his ilk are doing their damnedest to frame the suffering and tragedy of this natural disaster in New Orleans and Mississippi as a racial issue, using the hackneyed liberal-conservative polarizing rhetoric that always gets trotted out by Limbaugh, Hannity and Rove & Company. It's a calculated attempt to deflect attention away from the REAL ISSUES facing this great country. It may have worked before, but it ain't gonna work now.

If Clinton was in the White House, Conservatives (most of who are no more "conservative" than they are Democrat) would have been fanning the flames of impeachment over the mess in Iraq, the floods in New Orleans and the (almost predictable) soaring prices at the gas pump.

Instead we'll get more of "The War Prez'dent" speaking of patriotism and flag-waving in the face of pain, suffering and grief. Of course, Limbaugh and his neo-con compatriots will harangue "the liberal media" for speaking ill of the president. What liberal media? The one monopolized by conservative stalwarts like Clear Channel? Perhaps they're refering to Fox News, the 24-7 spin machine of the Republican National Committee. Or just maybe they're refering to the slew of radio talk show hosts like Limbaugh, Hannity, Boortz, G. Gordon Liddy, Sean Hannity and others who are now presenting their shows as "news sources."

Not to minimize the pain and grief of 9-11, but what New Orleans is going through now is far more gruesome and long-lasting than what befell New York City four years ago.

Too bad Bush, Cheney, Card, Rove et al can't find a convenient nation to attack in retaliation for this national-natural-disaster. Heavens knows, we can't start a war with Mother Nature (i.e., God.)

There is at least one shining light to come out of this, perhaps two. Americans
are getting the opportunity to take a good look in the mirror. Some may not like the reflection. Secondly, Charles Evans, a nine years old boy from new Orleans was the bright light on the NBC Nightly News extended report on Friday night and again on Saturday. This child spoke like an adult, with conviction, compassion and articulation beyond his years.

Americans, including the print and electronic media, must once again feel free to speak truth to power. However, speaking truth to power is meaningless unless one has the capacity and fortitude to light a candle rather than curse the darkness. One more thing, Americans must value the privilege and power of the ballot. VOTE.
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> We all know that if a Democrat was President it wouldn't
> have mattered how long the response took. We're hearimng all
> the "I wake up every morning p**ed that George Bush is
> President and hate him with all my heart" crowd that's
> complaining.
>
Bullcrap - Bush senior responded quickly. Stop trying to deflect blame. The emporer has no clothes.
 
> > > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > >
> > In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> > the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
>
> > skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices)
> and
> > his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
> >
> > When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> > Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
> >
> > Looks like history is repeating itself.
> >
>
> The New Orleans mayor sits in a radio studio and whines
> without providing any leadership: TV shows New Orleans cops
> in uniform pushing a cart through the WalMart long with
> other looters, at some precincts 60% of NO cops simply
> abandon the job. New Orleans was a corrupt, crime-ridden,
> poorly run city before Katrina and the house of cards that
> was local government collapsed even before the wind stopped
> blowing.
>
> On top of that, the plain sad truth is, Mother Nature kicked
> their asses in NO and no one, repeat, could have had a plan
> for any sort of more rapid response to this kind of
> disaster. You may not realize it but under law, the federal
> government ASSISTS local government and responds to the
> requests of local government, which of course we all learned
> had become totally disfunctional. The law does not allow the
> military to come and just take charge: if it did, you
> perhaps would have seen the faster response that some seem
> to think was possible, despite the unprecedented magnitude
> of the disaster. At this point, the best thing that could
> happen would be for the federal government to just take over
> the city, but again there's probably no law to allow that.
>
> I am simply amazed at the parades of "leaders" without
> leadership ability who can find no way to give guidance or
> encouragement to people in need, but instead
> just take turns lining up to point blame at others.
>
> The saying is "lead, follow or get out of the way," but
> these so-called leaders add a fourth option: obstruct.
>
> Quit wasting your time second-guessing and getting pissed
> about things you don't understand.
>
> And keep in mind, that one force, and one force only is to
> blamed for the tragic circumstances in this region: a
> hurricane named Katrina. It has been proven time and again
> over the milleniums from Pompei to San Franciso to Galveston
> to Southeast Asia: Mother Nature can and will conjure up
> forces that can crush anything man-made.




Perhaps fact checking is something YOU should consider.....

From the Department of Homeland Security Website:


In the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster or other large-scale emergency, the Department of Homeland Security will assume primary responsibility on March 1st for ensuring that emergency response professionals are prepared for any situation. This will entail providing a coordinated, comprehensive federal response to any large-scale crisis and mounting a swift and effective recovery effort. The new Department will also prioritize the important issue of citizen preparedness. Educating America's families on how best to prepare their homes for a disaster and tips for citizens on how to respond in a crisis will be given special attention at DHS.

Michael Chertoff had "primary responsibility" then on the emergency response to Hurricane Katrina, according to the Department of Homeland Security
 
> > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> >
> In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
> skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices) and
> his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
>
> When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
>
> Looks like history is repeating itself.
>
Might it be better to describe the events of the last week as George Bush's Waterloo?
 
Let me tell you.... the difference between Juliani and ANY official responsible for New Orleans is this: On 9/11, Juliani went to ground zero, rolled up his shirtsleeves and coordinated efforts from the scene. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO, but he loved his fellow New Yorkers that much. Juliani is a GREAT man who will go down in history as such. Bush? He and everyone else involved in this process, from top to bottom is guilty of negligence and dereliction of duty.

HEY, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS.... WE WANT SOMEONE IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH IMPEACHED! Clinton got impeachment hearings for a simple (BLEEP). Bush? Falls asleep on watch and gets away with it? Oh HELL NO.

Sorry... off my soapbox now.

Admittedly, with 9 feet of water everywhere it's hard to get to the most devastated areas, but puh-lease! 5 days? In five days we launched an invasion of Iraq and penetrated halfway to Baghdad! Gimme a friggin break. This administration is interested in one thing and one thing only: OIL. The rigs were given prime consideration after the storm passed.... which is understandable but when you consider that a floatilla of ships was poised to go to New Orleans from the gulf of mexico and was told NOT to go because they would inhibit the restoration of gas production restoration. Okay.... what's more important, gas or people? I'd gladly pay 10 bucks a gallon if 10,000 lives had been saved. Or... as if you can put a price on human lives.

My apologies.... I think the rules on posting about radio only have probably been suspended on this board... hell it might be the only outlet for some people, but I shouldn't get so damn passionate. <P ID="signature">______________
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Well said, Bob. But you are wasting your breath. The accepted standard is that we are all wards of the feds and they should take care of us.

> > > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > >
> > In my opinion, I have a feeling that this event will have
> > the President's popularity sink even lower, as a result of
>
> > skyrocketing gas prices (now independent of oil prices)
> and
> > his snail's-pace reaction to Katrina.
> >
> > When you come to think of it, Iraq is today's "Vietnam",
> > Bush is our "Nixon", and Katrina's our "Watergate".
> >
> > Looks like history is repeating itself.
> >
>
> The New Orleans mayor sits in a radio studio and whines
> without providing any leadership: TV shows New Orleans cops
> in uniform pushing a cart through the WalMart long with
> other looters, at some precincts 60% of NO cops simply
> abandon the job. New Orleans was a corrupt, crime-ridden,
> poorly run city before Katrina and the house of cards that
> was local government collapsed even before the wind stopped
> blowing.
>
> On top of that, the plain sad truth is, Mother Nature kicked
> their asses in NO and no one, repeat, could have had a plan
> for any sort of more rapid response to this kind of
> disaster. You may not realize it but under law, the federal
> government ASSISTS local government and responds to the
> requests of local government, which of course we all learned
> had become totally disfunctional. The law does not allow the
> military to come and just take charge: if it did, you
> perhaps would have seen the faster response that some seem
> to think was possible, despite the unprecedented magnitude
> of the disaster. At this point, the best thing that could
> happen would be for the federal government to just take over
> the city, but again there's probably no law to allow that.
>
> I am simply amazed at the parades of "leaders" without
> leadership ability who can find no way to give guidance or
> encouragement to people in need, but instead
> just take turns lining up to point blame at others.
>
> The saying is "lead, follow or get out of the way," but
> these so-called leaders add a fourth option: obstruct.
>
> Quit wasting your time second-guessing and getting pissed
> about things you don't understand.
>
> And keep in mind, that one force, and one force only is to
> blamed for the tragic circumstances in this region: a
> hurricane named Katrina. It has been proven time and again
> over the milleniums from Pompei to San Franciso to Galveston
> to Southeast Asia: Mother Nature can and will conjure up
> forces that can crush anything man-made.
>
 
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