Federal "Response"

[upstate29650]

Re: Response From An 8th Generation New Orleanian

> > >
> > > Then why didn't the Govenor call in the FEDS? It is by
> > > law that the State must call in the FEDS. In
> Mississippi
> > > the FEDs were called in and the National Guard was there
>
> > > on TUESDAY!
> > >
> > > ****scratching my head for an answer???****
> > >
> >
> > When it comes to a national emergency...natural or
> > man-made...FEMA/Homeland Security supercede the authority
> of
> > the Governor of any state. The law took effect over a year
>
> > ago.
> >
>
> So you are saying that the Mayor nor the Governor needed to
> make any phones calls to get the FEDs in?
>
> You have a link for this new "law" that seems to have
> appeared out of nowhere...
>
>
> > Besides...the Governor can't call up National Guardsmen to
>
> > serve within the state when most of those National
> Guardsmen
> > are thousands of miles away fighting a war as front-line
> > troops...sent there by your President.
> >
>
>
> There is plenty of National Guard in the States including in
> Louisana. The Texas National Guard was at the Superdome on
> TUESDAY!
>
> Try again....
>

Only 10% of the LA National Guard is overseas.

G

 

[upstate29650]

> > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> >
>
> Subject: Re: It's time to step up, People [re: TroyG] [
> Reply ]
> Posted by: CCRC Guy
> Posts: 94
> Status: Offline
> Posted on: 09/04/05 01:32 PM
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've been watching from the sidelines, but since this board
> is now a free-for-all...
>
> First off, don't tell people in Louisiana to step up. Every
> community in this state either got obliterated by the storm
> or is filled to capacity with people seeking refugee. We are
> doing our part.
>
> Secondly, the law requires that the states request federal
> help to come in. It's easy to blame W, but before you do,
> blame Blank-O and her indecisiveness. If you aren't in the
> local area, you don't see her painting the rosy picture. She
> tried to go through our senator - Mary Landrieu - to get the
> help we need. That's why the $10.5 billion was passed before
> we got anyone here.
>
> I have friends where I work that are at FEMA Regional HQ
> right now. The word from them - and these are not FEMA
> employees toeing the government line - is that FEMA has
> truckloads and truckloads of stuff for us, but no one on the
> state level will tell them where to bring it. FEMA doesn't
> run the show. The state runs the show. FEMA is just there to
> make sure that all of the supplies are porvided. After all,
> Mississippi took it bad too, but they have the help they
> need. Why? Because they asked for it.
>
> Go ahead. Tell me I am wrong. Let your hatred from W blind
> you from the facts. CSPAN was running congressional hearings
> yesterday that were shot in June. The Hurricane Center
> Director (Max somthing with an M) predicted this very thing.
> He said the levees wouldn't hold. He said that NOLA could
> not evacuate everyone because there are 125K people without
> cars. Experts tried to warn people that this would happen,
> but no one would listen.
>
> Understand, I am not saying anyone is blameless. Nagin
> didn't have a pre-storm plan that was worth a s---. Blanco
> seemed to have assumed that since OEP couldn't hear from New
> Orleans, that everything was fine. Bush should have pushed
> more for Blanco to ask for help. Mississippi had 2000 guards
> in Biloxi-Gulfport Tuesday night. New Orleans? 120. That
> specifically falls on the state. The media has plenty of
> blame to take also. Don't roll in with your sat. trucks and
> sat. phones and report that communications are down. Use
> those to help link up the first reponders. I would hope that
> people coordinating rescue efforts aren't watching TV.
>
> And finally, it troubles me that we are raising people to
> depend on the government for everything. Specifically, I am
> talking about the Convention Center people. Help wasn't
> coming. Get up and leave. This is an example of government
> failing on every level, starting with the local leadership
> on up to the state and even federal on some levels. People
> need to start looking out for #1.
>
> One question though... What happened to our naval ships?
> There were supposed to be 4 coming, plus that big USS
> Comfort hospital ship. Where are they?
>
> ______________
> Crescent City Radio Connection
> Zephyr Radio
>

Absolutely 100% correct. Like it or not, the states must request the help first.

As for the medical ships...they're coming from Norfolk, VA. It takes some time for them to arrive.

G

 

[upstate29650]

Re: Feds Folded; Folks Fu**ed!

> > The levees were designed to withstand a Category 3 storm.
> > The latest measurements showed that the storm that hit New
>
> > Orleans was no more than a Category 2. The winds were
> > measured in N.O. at about 100 mph.
>
> You are simply wrong. Where did you get those numbers? I'd
> get a refund!
>
>
> > Now, there will be an investigation of whether the US
> > Government cut funding for the maintainance of the
> existing
> > levees, took money set aside for improving the levees and
> > the pumping stations to use to fund the Iraq war and...
>
> The portions of the levee that were breached were never a
> portion that was under consideration for those funds that
> you speak about. The areas that were breached were
> considered newer and not in need of attention. (reference:
> Army Corp of Engineers)
>
> The money ($42M or so) that N.O. did get for the levees the
> city squandered on non levee items.
>
> It is interesting to see how you spin this to the Iraq War.

While the levees were designed for a cat 3 storm, they all held remarkably well, except for one small portion. Think of what would have happened if ALL the levees failed!

Dial, there's no reasoning with valkyrie. In one breath, he wants us to pity him as an 8th generation New Orleanian, and to pray for him & his family. Then, he tears into an ill timed political rant. Look at some of the bilge he posts on the Houston board.

Val, your posts are self-defeating & show how truly petty a person you are.

G

 

[radiodial]

Re: truth check

> > > People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
> >
> > Oooh. That's good. I'm writing that one down.
> >
>
> Typical, Mr. Bush: when you should be leading this
> country..you are otherwise busy doing squat.
>


Not doing squat???!!! LOL !!!

Bush went on radio and TV days before the storm hit during the MANDATORY EVACUATION and told the citizens to get out of New Orleans. He then declared the upper Gulf Coast a disaster area so that the City and State could start responding to the FEDs for help.

The Mayor and Governor of Louisana did not responed in a timely fashion but the Governor of Mississippi did respond quickly and the National Guard was in Mississippi Tuesday morning.

The Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisana need to be booted out of public service ASAP !!!

 

[RFLA]

Re: Feds Folded; Folks Fu**ed!

> > > The levees were designed to withstand a Category 3
> storm.
> > > The latest measurements showed that the storm that hit
> New
> >
> > > Orleans was no more than a Category 2. The winds were
> > > measured in N.O. at about 100 mph.
> >
> > You are simply wrong. Where did you get those numbers?
> I'd
> > get a refund!
> >
He was quoting from an AP report that quoted National Hurricane Center deputy director Ed Rappaport, who said highest winds in New orleans was 100mph.
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_240090516.html

However that is just an estimate! Hell they still haven't figured out if a storm that hit Houma in July was a hurricane or a tropical storm.....

But I do remember hearing reports of Gusts hitting into Category 3 area for sure... I know I was getting Category 2 gusts on the bayou (West of New Orleans by 40 miles)

The biggest problem was the category 3 and 4 winds though were pushing the water around to where the levees broke in New Orleans... As I said and will say again, the big problems that New Orleans faced didn't even hit her until 6-12 hours later...

I'm getting tired of all this, let's get back to Louisiana Radio and Television news, and send this to the political debate room

RFLA

> >
> > > Now, there will be an investigation of whether the US
> > > Government cut funding for the maintainance of the
> > existing
> > > levees, took money set aside for improving the levees
> and
> > > the pumping stations to use to fund the Iraq war and...
> >
> > The portions of the levee that were breached were never a
> > portion that was under consideration for those funds that
> > you speak about. The areas that were breached were
> > considered newer and not in need of attention. (reference:
>
> > Army Corp of Engineers)
> >
> > The money ($42M or so) that N.O. did get for the levees
> the
> > city squandered on non levee items.
> >
> > It is interesting to see how you spin this to the Iraq
> War.
>
> While the levees were designed for a cat 3 storm, they all
> held remarkably well, except for one small portion. Think
> of what would have happened if ALL the levees failed!
>
> Dial, there's no reasoning with valkyrie. In one breath, he
> wants us to pity him as an 8th generation New Orleanian, and
> to pray for him & his family. Then, he tears into an ill
> timed political rant. Look at some of the bilge he posts on
> the Houston board.
>
> Val, your posts are self-defeating & show how truly petty a
> person you are.
>
> G
>

 

[dampier]

Re: truth check

> Bush went on radio and TV days before the storm hit during
> the MANDATORY EVACUATION and told the citizens to get out of
> New Orleans. He then declared the upper Gulf Coast a
> disaster area so that the City and State could start
> responding to the FEDs for help.

And then it was time to clear more brush back at the vacation ranch. While people were drowning last Tuesday, our illustrious leader was accepting a guitar from a country music star. It was My Pet Goat 2. Then we got the speech (which was lip service) and then several more days of NOTHING.

> The Mayor and Governor of Louisana did not responed in a
> timely fashion but the Governor of Mississippi did respond
> quickly and the National Guard was in Mississippi Tuesday
> morning.

Karl Rove talking point. I notice (as did the NY Times former editor) that the Rove spin machine, after failing to make it all about the looting earlier this week, has now settled on blaming the (conveniently Democratic) Governor Blanco and Mayor Nagin for everything.

Thankfully that isn't working either. Haley is doing nothing for himself in reading his talking points about how awful the storm is but how sweetness and light the angelic federal forces of rescue are all across Mississippi. But when you talk to the people in the state, they are PEEVED beyond all words. They haven't seen any of it. I just heard from a friend from Moss Point who told me he wouldn't give a penny to anyone other than the Salvation Army, and he's an atheist. They are, in his words, the ONLY ones doing ANYTHING in Moss Point. Everyone else, including the Red Cross, is doing press conferences, making speeches, collecting cash donations, and running photo-ops with token aid drops. This guy crawled out of his second story window and lived in a wrecked neighbor's apartment for four days before rescuing himself. The only aid he got and saw was the Salvation Army.

It's not the mayor's job to call in the federal forces, and considering the ineptness of FEMA, you might as well Wal-Mart because at least they'd deliver the goods. FEMA didn't know about the convention center disaster even a day after the well publicized Nagin WWL phone call. They can't be bothered.

The governor did a less than wonderful job, but not nearly as awful as Homeland Security and FEMA.

 

[ChrisPC]

HELP SOMEONE!

> I'm getting tired of all this, let's get back to Louisiana
> Radio and Television news, and send this to the political
> debate room
>
> RFLA


Yes, please. And help someone out ASAP, there are even shelters in Phoenix and Boston now! I just took some food and water to one at a church in Nashville, and it already had 40-50 people yesterday. Look around, America is not a bunch of racists. I saw an old white lady there bottle-feeding a 3-week-old black baby, and she said it was "the cutest little thing". The media isn't showing us things like that.

 

[Nichole]

Re: I call BS!

You keep wanting to turn this around and blame it on Bush. You are wrong. Period!

 

[RFLA]

Re: HELP SOMEONE!

Look around, America is not a
> bunch of racists. I saw an old white lady there
> bottle-feeding a 3-week-old black baby, and she said it was
> "the cutest little thing". The media isn't showing us things
> like that.
>

America isn't a bunch of racists in the form of it being on color as much as it's on culture anymore ....

For example Look how many are against the "thug" view of life that is usually shown for African Americans..... But would support others of color such as Condi Rice, general Powell, and others



<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by RFLA on 09/04/05 09:47 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[THEInsultant]

Re: I call BS!

> You keep wanting to turn this around and blame it on Bush.
> You are wrong. Period!
>

First, I have to say this. Self-reliance could have saved a lot of people. Heeding the warning and getting out faster would have saved many more. I feel sorry for those old folks and handicapped that could not get out for one reason or another. That was shameful. However, I do not feel sorry for those that have made a lifetime of living off the government host. To their surprise their host failed them miserably this time.

With that being said, MANY different politicians, not STATESMEN, were at fault for poor planning and recovery from this tragic event. I think the majority of the blame can be focused at the governor and mayor. Both did not properly lead preparations for this event. The warnings were issued for those with automobiles to escape, but the folks on public transportation weren't properly accounted for. Busses and school busses should have been going from the minute the warning was sounded funneling people to a point like the Superdome, then large airlifts from the military choppers could have been coordinated to take them away from the danger. Many could have been simply got out of harm's way even before the storm hit, if there was a better effort of organization. But, as usual, the government fails us. Why does everyone seem to always want the government to do more? Is there ANYTHING the government has done right lately? Demand a better local plan at your state level and make sure it’s a workable solution. DEMAND IT.

Now, I have to say this. GW isn't anywhere close to blameless. When part of your country is BLOWN AWAY and UNDER WATER you don't sit down at your ranch and continue to enjoy the remainder of your vacation. Do you really think any of us in the radio biz would have continued our vacation instead of helping keep our stations on the air and informing the public? I DON'T THINK SO! GW is allegedly our Commander in Chief and our leader. So, along with that comes the responsibility to make an EFFORT to lead. I can see where people can be very angry at the man. He didn't handle it well at all. It is very true help and orders on where to use resources must come from the local government officials, however, Bush could have at least held a press conference and said he'd help the day after the storm after doing a fly-over. Waiting just infuriates people that don't like him already, as many of them are Democrats in that area. If he couldn't get inspired to do the right thing because he should do the right thing, he should have at least understood the backlash on doing NOTHING earlier on.

On the subject of FEMA, I have to say this. There is no way on earth their funding could EVER be prepared for something like this. We are talking a whole metro wiped out, plus numerous other areas affected! Add to that fact, they are an agency of mainly incompetent paper-pushers that haven't a clue, and you can understand why certain things just slip between the cracks. I, for one, feel the state governments must take more of a proactive roll in preparation for disasters instead of just letting the feds handle it. Let us all learn from this and DEMAND from our state weasels in our home states in which we live that more effort and monies be used for protecting our citizens in our state in the event of a disaster instead of giving it away to pork projects and welfare. Let's just not allow this kind of crap to ever happen again.

Now on to the looters... Do you really know why we have people with guns trying to shoot at rescue workers? Because the criminals have been running amuck in NOLA for years! Why? They don't want to house them to take them off the streets so they slap their wrists and let them back out. When the good people left, the jerks got their way with looting and robbing, and terrorizing the old and sick. SHAME ON YOU POLITICIANS and JUDGES for letting these jerks out in the first place. It's just a shame we are so politically-correct that we cannot seem to call it as it is.

Shame on you Governor.
Shame on you Mayor.
Shame on you LA & NOLA judges.
Shame on you Mr. President of the United States.

If it was your families, wouldn't you have done more?

JUST SHAMEFUL... Has our great country come to this?

<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>

 

[radiodial]

Re: Feds Folded; Folks Fu**ed!

>
> Dial, there's no reasoning with valkyrie. In one breath, he
> wants us to pity him as an 8th generation New Orleanian, and
> to pray for him & his family. Then, he tears into an ill
> timed political rant. Look at some of the bilge he posts on
> the Houston board.
>
> Val, your posts are self-defeating & show how truly petty a
> person you are.
>
> G
>

Thanks for the warning... I find it amazing that valkyrie has now twisted the facts to where Katrina was nothing more than a CAT 2 hurricane.

I have seen this person on the Houston boards and it's all nasty words tearing other people down.

Have a good day/night !!!

 

[Ivan]

I hope the best for your folks in Miss. You should be upset by how the government has responded to them. Remember, you are paying for these services. I am not picking on one party over another. Though, I am considering changing to the Democratic party, out of protest. They could use more conservatives to neutralize the leftists that are trying to bully their way into power.

 

[dampier]

Re: I call BS!

> You keep wanting to turn this around and blame it on Bush.
> You are wrong. Period!

Ask the people down there what they think about the federal response.

 

[ChrisTheListener]

GOT NEWS FOR YA, RADIODIAL!!!

Hey "fellow Democrat" (ya, right... nice try).

Do you even know what FEMA stands for???!!!! Federal Emergency Managment Agency. Again... FEDERAL ema. FEDERAL!!! They are a part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the US govt!!! Do you know what that means?? It means they take orders DIRECTLY from the President. Just like the Dept of Homeland Sec, or the Dept of Justice, or the Dept of Defense, FEMA is a govt agency under the EXECUTIVE BRANCH. The leader of FEMA is assigned by the president... and like every other govt agency under the Executive Branch... it takes orders DIRECTLY from the White House. FEMA can't do ANYTHING without Bush's aproval, and FEMA MUST do whatever Bush tells them. In other words... the fact that FEMA has screwed up this whole operation is because of one man.... thats right... your god... DUBYA!!

You go tell the families of the 10,000 dead that Dubya is doing well. You go tell the millions that lost their homes that he is a great President, and that he responded well. You go tell the people all over the country, who are affected by this, that Bush is doing the right thing. The fact is... he is worthless president. And this shows it!!

I am ashamed to be from the same state as that embarrasment!

Proudly and passionately signed,
CTL


> > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
> > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> >
>
> Subject: Re: It's time to step up, People [re: TroyG] [
> Reply ]
> Posted by: CCRC Guy
> Posts: 94
> Status: Offline
> Posted on: 09/04/05 01:32 PM
>
--------------------> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've been watching from the sidelines, but since this board
> is now a free-for-all...
>
> First off, don't tell people in Louisiana to step up. Every
> community in this state either got obliterated by the storm
> or is filled to capacity with people seeking refugee. We are
> doing our part.
>
> Secondly, the law requires that the states request federal
> help to come in. It's easy to blame W, but before you do,
> blame Blank-O and her indecisiveness. If you aren't in the
> local area, you don't see her painting the rosy picture. She
> tried to go through our senator - Mary Landrieu - to get the
> help we need. That's why the $10.5 billion was passed before
> we got anyone here.
>
> I have friends where I work that are at FEMA Regional HQ
> right now. The word from them - and these are not FEMA
> employees toeing the government line - is that FEMA has
> truckloads and truckloads of stuff for us, but no one on the
> state level will tell them where to bring it. FEMA doesn't
> run the show. The state runs the show. FEMA is just there to
> make sure that all of the supplies are porvided. After all,
> Mississippi took it bad too, but they have the help they
> need. Why? Because they asked for it.
>
> Go ahead. Tell me I am wrong. Let your hatred from W blind
> you from the facts. CSPAN was running congressional hearings
> yesterday that were shot in June. The Hurricane Center
> Director (Max somthing with an M) predicted this very thing.
> He said the levees wouldn't hold. He said that NOLA could
> not evacuate everyone because there are 125K people without
> cars. Experts tried to warn people that this would happen,
> but no one would listen.
>
> Understand, I am not saying anyone is blameless. Nagin
> didn't have a pre-storm plan that was worth a s---. Blanco
> seemed to have assumed that since OEP couldn't hear from New
> Orleans, that everything was fine. Bush should have pushed
> more for Blanco to ask for help. Mississippi had 2000 guards
> in Biloxi-Gulfport Tuesday night. New Orleans? 120. That
> specifically falls on the state. The media has plenty of
> blame to take also. Don't roll in with your sat. trucks and
> sat. phones and report that communications are down. Use
> those to help link up the first reponders. I would hope that
> people coordinating rescue efforts aren't watching TV.
>
> And finally, it troubles me that we are raising people to
> depend on the government for everything. Specifically, I am
> talking about the Convention Center people. Help wasn't
> coming. Get up and leave. This is an example of government
> failing on every level, starting with the local leadership
> on up to the state and even federal on some levels. People
> need to start looking out for #1.
>
> One question though... What happened to our naval ships?
> There were supposed to be 4 coming, plus that big USS
> Comfort hospital ship. Where are they?
>
> ______________
> Crescent City Radio Connection
> Zephyr Radio
>

 

[bhorner]

> > > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > >
> >
> > Subject: Re: It's time to step up, People [re: TroyG] [
> > Reply ]
> > Posted by: CCRC Guy
> > Posts: 94
> > Status: Offline
> > Posted on: 09/04/05 01:32 PM
> >
> -------------------->
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > I've been watching from the sidelines, but since this
> board
> > is now a free-for-all...
> >
> > First off, don't tell people in Louisiana to step up.
> Every
> > community in this state either got obliterated by the
> storm
> > or is filled to capacity with people seeking refugee. We
> are
> > doing our part.
> >
> > Secondly, the law requires that the states request federal
>
> > help to come in. It's easy to blame W, but before you do,
> > blame Blank-O and her indecisiveness. If you aren't in the
>
> > local area, you don't see her painting the rosy picture.
> She
> > tried to go through our senator - Mary Landrieu - to get
> the
> > help we need. That's why the $10.5 billion was passed
> before
> > we got anyone here.
> >
> > I have friends where I work that are at FEMA Regional HQ
> > right now. The word from them - and these are not FEMA
> > employees toeing the government line - is that FEMA has
> > truckloads and truckloads of stuff for us, but no one on
> the
> > state level will tell them where to bring it. FEMA doesn't
>
> > run the show. The state runs the show. FEMA is just there
> to
> > make sure that all of the supplies are porvided. After
> all,
> > Mississippi took it bad too, but they have the help they
> > need. Why? Because they asked for it.
> >
> > Go ahead. Tell me I am wrong. Let your hatred from W blind
>
> > you from the facts. CSPAN was running congressional
> hearings
> > yesterday that were shot in June. The Hurricane Center
> > Director (Max somthing with an M) predicted this very
> thing.
> > He said the levees wouldn't hold. He said that NOLA could
> > not evacuate everyone because there are 125K people
> without
> > cars. Experts tried to warn people that this would happen,
>
> > but no one would listen.
> >
> > Understand, I am not saying anyone is blameless. Nagin
> > didn't have a pre-storm plan that was worth a s---. Blanco
>
> > seemed to have assumed that since OEP couldn't hear from
> New
> > Orleans, that everything was fine. Bush should have pushed
>
> > more for Blanco to ask for help. Mississippi had 2000
> guards
> > in Biloxi-Gulfport Tuesday night. New Orleans? 120. That
> > specifically falls on the state. The media has plenty of
> > blame to take also. Don't roll in with your sat. trucks
> and
> > sat. phones and report that communications are down. Use
> > those to help link up the first reponders. I would hope
> that
> > people coordinating rescue efforts aren't watching TV.
> >
> > And finally, it troubles me that we are raising people to
> > depend on the government for everything. Specifically, I
> am
> > talking about the Convention Center people. Help wasn't
> > coming. Get up and leave. This is an example of government
>
> > failing on every level, starting with the local leadership
>
> > on up to the state and even federal on some levels. People
>
> > need to start looking out for #1.
> >
> > One question though... What happened to our naval ships?
> > There were supposed to be 4 coming, plus that big USS
> > Comfort hospital ship. Where are they?
> >
> > ______________
> > Crescent City Radio Connection
> > Zephyr Radio
> >
>
> Absolutely 100% correct. Like it or not, the states must
> request the help first.
>
> As for the medical ships...they're coming from Norfolk, VA.
> It takes some time for them to arrive.
>
> G
>


Oh really, Guru?


Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005




The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.


bobh

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Re: Northern Perspective

This was a perfectly predictable response from this administration. After all, most of the area affected was populated by poor people, who aren't even on the White House radar. Dubya and his minions have never been poor, never known need or despair, and despite all the carefully managed photo-ops, will never know what it's like for these people. Notice that he toured only the Mississippi area of devastation. If he had come anywhere near New Orleans, not even the Secret Service could have guaranteed his safety.

And as for Limbaugh, his response was also perfectly predictable. Once he started talking about Katrina's aftermath, it took him less than seven minutes to blame Clinton...who was, BTW, the ONLY president in recent memory to take the scientific and engineering predictions of this disaster seriously and attempt to raise federal funds to mitigate them.

The worst part of all this? By 2008 (the next presidential election) all of this will be forgotten.

A disgusting performance all around.

 

[k9ez]

Re: Feds Folded; Folks Fu**ed!

> > According to a person from the Army Corp of Engineers,
> that
> > this storm was so bad that even of the levees were up to
> Cat
> > 5 standards they still may not have held. You know there
> is
> > only so much you can do. Nature is powerful. This was
> the
> > "Perfect Storm". In life nothing is 100%.
> >
>
> Your ignorance of the facts is appalling:

Why thank you, I think highly of you too.
>
> The levees were designed to withstand a Category 3 storm.
> The latest measurements showed that the storm that hit New
> Orleans was no more than a Category 2. The winds were
> measured in N.O. at about 100 mph. (The storm veered East
> and the biggest part of the storm hit Mississippi and
> Alabama; they were slammed with no levees.)

Yes they were set up for a Cat 3 storm, since about 1968 if I remeber correctly. And I did state that they were not set up a for CAT 5 storm. And your facts are questionable... CAT 2??? Um no.


>
> Now, there will be an investigation of whether the US
> Government cut funding for the maintainance of the existing
> levees, took money set aside for improving the levees and
> the pumping stations to use to fund the Iraq war and
> Homeland Security and what the response was from the Feds,
> FEMA and Homeland Security.
>

I am sure the DEMS will be all over that.


> Add to those facts that the National Guard was unavailable
> in the numbers needed because they were sent to Iraq as
> front-line troops...something for which they were not
> supposed to be.
>

We are talking about a storm that would be hard to plan for. Yes there were errors, and I am sure they will come out, but the bottum line ends up at the STATE and LOCAL governments. Even now the Mayor of New Orleans has changed his tune. Things are starting to get done.

> Finally, many studies over the last five or ten years about
> what would happen if the levees were NOT improved or
> maintained were ignored by the Feds. They bear much of any
> blame that is ascribed.
>
> Your President and his policies failed New Orleans as
> much...or more...than any levee ever could. Truth hurts,
> doesn't it...
> >

Well BUCKO, why dont we look at how many years these levees have not been taken care of. Why werent they taken care of during the Clinton area? See the thing is that the levees were built to withstand the more typical hurricane, not the type that arrived. There is plenty of arm chair quarterbacking going on isnt there. As someone else said there is too much finger pointing going on. But you just dont seem to get that.



> > We all seem to be pointing fingers. We dont need that
> right
> > now. Instead join me in getting supplies to the people
> that
> > need help.
>

 

[k9ez]

Re: HELP SOMEONE!

> > I'm getting tired of all this, let's get back to Louisiana
>
> > Radio and Television news, and send this to the political
> > debate room
> >
> > RFLA
>
>
> Yes, please. And help someone out ASAP, there are even
> shelters in Phoenix and Boston now! I just took some food
> and water to one at a church in Nashville, and it already
> had 40-50 people yesterday. Look around, America is not a
> bunch of racists. I saw an old white lady there
> bottle-feeding a 3-week-old black baby, and she said it was
> "the cutest little thing". The media isn't showing us things
> like that.
>

That is so true. I am off to load up about 6-8 semis full of items for the people there. We already did 2 semis.

While loading some of this stuff up the upbeat people that were there, the people that truely cared about their fellow American was AWESOME! No one was talking about politics!

See you folks at the help centers!

 

[k9ez]

Re: I call BS!

> > You keep wanting to turn this around and blame it on Bush.
>
> > You are wrong. Period!
>
> Ask the people down there what they think about the federal
> response.
>

Would they really care about politics at this point?

 

[BobAltimari]

Re: GOT NEWS FOR YA, RADIODIAL!!!

> Hey "fellow Democrat" (ya, right... nice try).
>
> Do you even know what FEMA stands for???!!!! Federal
> Emergency Managment Agency. Again... FEDERAL ema.
> FEDERAL!!! They are a part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the
> US govt!!! Do you know what that means?? It means they
> take orders DIRECTLY from the President. Just like the Dept
> of Homeland Sec, or the Dept of Justice, or the Dept of
> Defense, FEMA is a govt agency under the EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
> The leader of FEMA is assigned by the president... and like
> every other govt agency under the Executive Branch... it
> takes orders DIRECTLY from the White House. FEMA can't do
> ANYTHING without Bush's aproval, and FEMA MUST do whatever
> Bush tells them. In other words... the fact that FEMA has
> screwed up this whole operation is because of one man....
> thats right... your god... DUBYA!!

Oh, and let's forget about the snipers taking aim at the very vehicles bringing them food and water and rescuing their worthless asses so they can hijack those vehicles to go and steal plasma tvs and high end sneakers, dude get real!!!

> You go tell the families of the 10,000 dead that Dubya is
> doing well. You go tell the millions that lost their homes
> that he is a great President, and that he responded well.
> You go tell the people all over the country, who are
> affected by this, that Bush is doing the right thing. The
> fact is... he is worthless president. And this shows it!!

Just like you're a worthless human being?

> I am ashamed to be from the same state as that embarrasment!

I'm sure he would feel the same about you....just a guess!

>
> Proudly and passionately signed,
> CTL

Do us all a favor, F**KO! LEAVE! Don't like that Dubya is president since Kerry proved to me nothing more than a brown stain on the underwear of America? Canada is calling.....that will get you to your promised land of FRANCE! Loser!!! Hopefully, they won't get a Cat 5 hurricane up there.

> > > What in the world is wrong with our federal government?
>
> > > What in the world is wrong with our president?
> > >
> >
> > Subject: Re: It's time to step up, People [re: TroyG] [
> > Reply ]
> > Posted by: CCRC Guy
> > Posts: 94
> > Status: Offline
> > Posted on: 09/04/05 01:32 PM
> >
> -------------------->
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > I've been watching from the sidelines, but since this
> board
> > is now a free-for-all...
> >
> > First off, don't tell people in Louisiana to step up.
> Every
> > community in this state either got obliterated by the
> storm
> > or is filled to capacity with people seeking refugee. We
> are
> > doing our part.
> >
> > Secondly, the law requires that the states request federal
>
> > help to come in. It's easy to blame W, but before you do,
> > blame Blank-O and her indecisiveness. If you aren't in the
>
> > local area, you don't see her painting the rosy picture.
> She
> > tried to go through our senator - Mary Landrieu - to get
> the
> > help we need. That's why the $10.5 billion was passed
> before
> > we got anyone here.
> >
> > I have friends where I work that are at FEMA Regional HQ
> > right now. The word from them - and these are not FEMA
> > employees toeing the government line - is that FEMA has
> > truckloads and truckloads of stuff for us, but no one on
> the
> > state level will tell them where to bring it. FEMA doesn't
>
> > run the show. The state runs the show. FEMA is just there
> to
> > make sure that all of the supplies are porvided. After
> all,
> > Mississippi took it bad too, but they have the help they
> > need. Why? Because they asked for it.
> >
> > Go ahead. Tell me I am wrong. Let your hatred from W blind
>
> > you from the facts. CSPAN was running congressional
> hearings
> > yesterday that were shot in June. The Hurricane Center
> > Director (Max somthing with an M) predicted this very
> thing.
> > He said the levees wouldn't hold. He said that NOLA could
> > not evacuate everyone because there are 125K people
> without
> > cars. Experts tried to warn people that this would happen,
>
> > but no one would listen.
> >
> > Understand, I am not saying anyone is blameless. Nagin
> > didn't have a pre-storm plan that was worth a s---. Blanco
>
> > seemed to have assumed that since OEP couldn't hear from
> New
> > Orleans, that everything was fine. Bush should have pushed
>
> > more for Blanco to ask for help. Mississippi had 2000
> guards
> > in Biloxi-Gulfport Tuesday night. New Orleans? 120. That
> > specifically falls on the state. The media has plenty of
> > blame to take also. Don't roll in with your sat. trucks
> and
> > sat. phones and report that communications are down. Use
> > those to help link up the first reponders. I would hope
> that
> > people coordinating rescue efforts aren't watching TV.
> >
> > And finally, it troubles me that we are raising people to
> > depend on the government for everything. Specifically, I
> am
> > talking about the Convention Center people. Help wasn't
> > coming. Get up and leave. This is an example of government
>
> > failing on every level, starting with the local leadership
>
> > on up to the state and even federal on some levels. People
>
> > need to start looking out for #1.
> >
> > One question though... What happened to our naval ships?
> > There were supposed to be 4 coming, plus that big USS
> > Comfort hospital ship. Where are they?
> >
> > ______________
> > Crescent City Radio Connection
> > Zephyr Radio
> >
>
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