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FF vs. CCM

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Having a spirited conversation on another post brings up some pontification on this subject in a more substantial mode: how long will it be until "Family Friendly" becomes so liquidated with commercial organizations like Nickelodeon, MTV and national broadcast affiliates believing because THEIR family doesn't mind watching sex, drugs and who knows what music together, that ALL families are like that?

Can CCM really latch on to the "Family Friendly" moniker for long without inadvertently sound like they are full bore compromising?
 
Great Point and a good topic starter.

I agree that if the state of modern media stays on course, we'll have to become something more blatantly "Christian" for lack of a better term.

You know that the bible predicts a widening distinction between light and dark as the end draws near.

So it's scriptural. You're right.
 
I've always thought that as we spend so much energy relating on the air and writing sweepers/promos that are broad and family-friendly, our music has very "churchy" lyrics.

Lyrics like "bow down", "worship", "exalt", "blessed" and others are very specific to the Christian subculture. No one uses those words in every day speech.

I think our music formats can be even more effective if Nashville can give us bands and songs with a very clear, but broad message with words we use every day.

It's like the church I go to having billboards that say, "Sleepy Heads Rejoice!" They're trying to get the message across to non-believers that they have a Saturday night service. Yet, the word "rejoice" is a Christian subculture word. So, in effect, the billboards "accidentally" target people going to other churches - and just because of that one word, "rejoice" - in my opinion.

Maybe the billboard could say something like this in order to attract people who've been burnt by the traditional church (who currently don't go to church): "Sleep in this Sunday" - Saturday at 7pm - "Come as You Are and Don't Bring Coffee"
 
There are some of us who are "Not Ashamed" to listen to the name of Jesus Christ. I got a little steamed at my local "family friendly" station when they played the original version of "Proud to Be an American" - when a Christian group - Jump 5 - covered it, and did an excellent job. Also - they use some very secular groups in musical beds, including the Beatles (who were once quoted as saying they were more popular than Jesus Christ, and were heavily into drugs and false religions). I must admit - I prefer some separation from the world. That is why I would love to have WAY-FM come into Dallas, even though we have KLTY. Because there is not a hint of compromise with the world on WAY-FM. I'm not saying KLTY compromises with the world, I am just saying there is an appearance of that when they pass by Christian artists to play the same song done by a secular artist. NOT a good way of building the Christian music business. And NOT a good witness to kids who are struggling with secular vs. sacred influences in their lives. I really don't want to have to counter the argument "but KLTY plays it, why can't I" in a youth group.
 
Bruce,

I agree that Christian stations should be slower to approach the apppearance of compromising too much with the world, just because a song "fits well enough."

But I only half-agree with what you're saying about Christian remakes. Back in my rock days, we were consulted against playing "inferior live versions." IMHO, any remake of a signature song had better blow away the original (or at least give it a dynamic and fresh feel), otherwise it risks becoming the "inferior Christian version" of the tune.

Though Selah sounds good on "You Lift Me Up," and Salvador sounds fine on "Heaven"... some listeners might get the impression that Christian artists are lacking if they have to keep remaking the Josh Grobans and Los Lonely Boys of the world. Although I liked the remakes of "In Christ Alone" and "God is in Control" well enough, I would rather hear new music than the 15th or 16th re-hash of a Hillsongs tune (here's the Country version! and one for the alternative rockers!).

Now if you'll excuse me, I am in studio remaking "Knocking on Heaven's Door" and "I Go to the Rock." ;)
 
ToddStach said:
It's like the church I go to having billboards that say, "Sleepy Heads Rejoice!" They're trying to get the message across to non-believers that they have a Saturday night service. Yet, the word "rejoice" is a Christian subculture word. So, in effect, the billboards "accidentally" target people going to other churches - and just because of that one word, "rejoice" - in my opinion.

I see the target as those INTERESTED in going to church ... unless your billboard was "No church? Come here!" it is going to "accidentally" target anyone interested. And as far as the "Sleep in this Sunday" suggestion goes ... people can do that without bothering to attend any church. The message needs to be positive ... rejoice is positive ... you're telling people to get with the program, not to join the church of the inner spring.

rbrucecarter5 said:
I got a little steamed at my local "family friendly" station when they played the original version of "Proud to Be an American" -

I would too ... especially unedited.
 
Just Another Idiot on the Radio said:
But I only half-agree with what you're saying about Christian remakes. Back in my rock days, we were consulted against playing "inferior live versions." IMHO, any remake of a signature song had better

I totally agree if the Christian remake sucks. But Jump 5's remake of "Proud to be an American" was top notch. DC Talk's remake of "Jesus is Just All Right" was amazing. If the Christian cover is superior - why play the original? It seems like some stations go out of their way to play the non-Christian artist when the Christian version was equal or better.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
Just Another Idiot on the Radio said:
I totally agree if the Christian remake sucks. But Jump 5's remake of "Proud to be an American" was top notch. DC Talk's remake of "Jesus is Just All Right" was amazing. If the Christian cover is superior - why play the original? It seems like some stations go out of their way to play the non-Christian artist when the Christian version was equal or better.

It's because in radio we've come to equate familiarity with safety and success-especially in Christian Radio and Adult Contemporary Radio, which really sets up Christian AC to be the most familiarity-dependent format of them all.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
Just Another Idiot on the Radio said:
But I only half-agree with what you're saying about Christian remakes. Back in my rock days, we were consulted against playing "inferior live versions." IMHO, any remake of a signature song had better blow away the original (or at least give it a dynamic and fresh feel), otherwise it risks becoming the "inferior Christian version" of the tune

I totally agree if the Christian remake sucks. But Jump 5's remake of "Proud to be an American" was top notch. DC Talk's remake of "Jesus is Just All Right" was amazing. If the Christian cover is superior - why play the original? It seems like some stations go out of their way to play the non-Christian artist when the Christian version was equal or better.

So immediately after posting, I heard Tree 63's version of "Blessed Be Your Name," and found I really liked it. Maybe we ought to avoid making policies in order to simply have rules, and take things on a song by song basis. A local AC station won points with me by playing American Idol finalist Bo Bice's version of "Inside Your Heaven" about as much as winner Carrie Underwood's better known version. Overall, it really depends on the individual station's mix, rather than a set of rules saying whom not to play (outside of the really obvious). But like you said, any version of a song that sucks shouldn't get airplay no matter who's performing it. And even if it doesn't, overplaying the remakes waters down the CCM format... which should sound different than the mix identified with programs like Powerline.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
I got a little steamed at my local "family friendly" station when they played the original version of "Proud to Be an American" - when a Christian group - Jump 5 - covered it, and did an excellent job.

True, but as a youth pastor, you would be deterred by most folks not catered to that audience. I know I would be if I were in your shoes. Lee Greenwood is COMPLETELY saved, just fyi. And sometimes, remakes just never are as good as the original.
 
And secondly, there is a LARGE stigma about Christian artists out there, and it was brought up in here - REMAKES.

If someone did a concise study on the amount of Christian tunes that are actually remakes heard on the local AC or CHR station, the numbers would be staggering. Even Christians are remaking Christian songs. Maybe that's why CCM is going more mainstream with the Caspar Milquetoast "family friendly" format, Christian artists are running out of ideas. As inconceivable as that could be about the creator of the universe, why else aren't more folk writing more original songs?

Oh and Bruce, I believe my friend Christopher would have to disagree with you. Dallas has a WAY-FM, it's called 89.3 KPWR. ;D
 
I don't think it's a matter of Christian artists running out of ideas. It's a matter of Christian music being targetted toward one demographic - women ages 24-49 (roughly). That means you get a lot of Christian AC. I'm a 45 year old man who grew up a Christian, worked in Christian radio in the 1980s and loved much of what I was hearing then. I can't stand most of what comes out now. One reason for that is that the music is not tailored for me. Back in the late 70s, early 80s, artists could do pretty much what they wanted within reason because CCM was a new form and people were encouraged to experiment. Now it's much more of a business. I bet there's still some very interesting CCM being made, but you won't hear much of it on the radio. This phenomenon is not new, either. In 1981, Petra released "Never Say Die", and album that rocked -- except for two songs, "The Coloring Song" and "For Annie." Both are good songs, but totally unlike the rest of the album. They got airplay, the hard stuff did not. If your only impression of Petra was those two songs, you would think they were a mellow AC band. Today I think record labels pigeonhole most of the artists into the AC peg and allow very little creative expression otherwise.

Paradoxically, as a member of a church worship team I find much of the new worship music coming out far superior to much of what I grew up with in the 70s and 80s. Lincoln Brewster, David Crowder, Darrell Mansfield, Paul Baloche and others are putting out some really interesting stuff for worship purposes. I can listen to that all day because a lot of it is written for a mass audience as opposed to soccer moms, and musically, it is often far more challenging than CCM.
 
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
Oh and Bruce, I believe my friend Christopher would have to disagree with you. Dallas has a WAY-FM, it's called 89.3 KPWR. ;D

KPWR call letters are assigned to a Los Angeles kip-hop station. 89.3 in the Dallas area is KNON - a non-profit secular station. If you meant 89.7 KVRK - it is not affiliated with the WAY-FM network.
 
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
Lee Greenwood is COMPLETELY saved, just fyi. And sometimes, remakes just never are as good as the original.

I make a distinction between Christian who are recording artists, and Christian recording artists. Unless EVERY song Mr. Greenwood sings doesn't overtly go against scriptural principles (a lot of good country artists record some unacceptable lyrics) - I would not classify him as a Christian artist. What would Jesus listen to? That is the standard. Certainly not some country songs about honky tonk drinkin and cheatin.

Have you ever even heard the Jump 5 version of "God Bless the USA"? It is awesome. Better than Lee Greenwood by a large margin.
 
I'm not convinced that Jesus would be pigeon-holed into the box some want to place him in. Would Jesus wear a Rolex? Would Jesus only frequent Christian bookstores, listen to K-Love and vote Republican?

As for the original post, I've been in many Christian homes and have seen plenty of Nickolodeon, the Disney Channel and about everything else. I think the folks whose version of "Family Friendly" means "We only watch Little House on the Prarie and Touched by an Angel" are relatively few.
 
People know that when they tune to Disney or Nick what they will get ... and are more prepared when something "less friendly" is there. They know that when they tune to Disney they could be getting a show that depicts kids as wiser than parents (Beaver knows best instead of father knows best) and other family undermining portrayals. What do they expect from your station?

The issue is sticking with a standard. Let people know what you stand for and stand by that standard. There is a minimum standard ... which could vary by community ... but having a standard is important.

As far as "what would Jesus do" ... I doubt Jesus would be wasting time on most of the drivel that is on radio and TV. Such pursuits are part of our human failings. Yes, He has a sense of humor - but I wouldn't expect Him to be watching Little House or Touched by an Angel. :)
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
There are some of us who are "Not Ashamed" to listen to the name of Jesus Christ. I got a little steamed at my local "family friendly" station when they played the original version of "Proud to Be an American" - when a Christian group - Jump 5 - covered it, and did an excellent job. Also - they use some very secular groups in musical beds, including the Beatles (who were once quoted as saying they were more popular than Jesus Christ, and were heavily into drugs and false religions). I must admit - I prefer some separation from the world. That is why I would love to have WAY-FM come into Dallas, even though we have KLTY. Because there is not a hint of compromise with the world on WAY-FM. I'm not saying KLTY compromises with the world, I am just saying there is an appearance of that when they pass by Christian artists to play the same song done by a secular artist. NOT a good way of building the Christian music business. And NOT a good witness to kids who are struggling with secular vs. sacred influences in their lives. I really don't want to have to counter the argument "but KLTY plays it, why can't I" in a youth group.


not a hint of the world on way-fm? in the late 90s their was a guy on from 7-mid. forgot his name.(ace mcckay?) but he signed off with donny and marie every single night! it was the closing of the donny and marie show from the 70s. did i mention donny and marie are mormon ;)
 
Back in my rock days, we were consulted against playing "inferior live versions."


obviously that guy had never heard the original versions of peter framptons music. or the original version of ridin the storm out from reo speedwagon ;D because the live versions of both are wayyyyyyyyyyyyy better than the originals!
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
VERITAS DE VOCE said:
Lee Greenwood is COMPLETELY saved, just fyi. And sometimes, remakes just never are as good as the original.

I make a distinction between Christian who are recording artists, and Christian recording artists. Unless EVERY song Mr. Greenwood sings doesn't overtly go against scriptural principles (a lot of good country artists record some unacceptable lyrics) - I would not classify him as a Christian artist. What would Jesus listen to? That is the standard. Certainly not some country songs about ------ tonk drinkin and cheatin.

Have you ever even heard the Jump 5 version of "God Bless the USA"? It is awesome. Better than Lee Greenwood by a large margin.



do you watch only christian news, watch only christian tv, watch only christian movies? if not why do you only listen to christian artists?
 
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