FF vs. CCM

[smashedcd]

and about disney being family friendly...uh..

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN0746838620070908?pageNumber=2&sp=true

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Speaking of being back... as is the "homogenization" of "family friendly" TV and radio as well. Some of those listings I have heard banned from homes and some networks around the country. Not even all, but some.

Besides, when did witches, wizardry and psychic, paranormal phenomena become nice for the kiddos? Exhibit A, ABC "Family" Channel. Exhibit B? Check out some of those listings above. There has to be a buffer somewhere between everyday family and God's family, doesn't there?

No shows on Disney portray members of the church of Wicca.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

and about disney being family friendly...uh..

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN0746838620070908?pageNumber=2&sp=true

Vanessa does not appear nude in any shows on Disney channel.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

and about disney being family friendly...uh..

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN0746838620070908?pageNumber=2&sp=true

Vanessa does not appear nude in any shows on Disney channel.

...yet

 

[smashedcd]

and about disney being family friendly...uh..

http://www.reuters.com/article/televisionNews/idUSN0746838620070908?pageNumber=2&sp=true

Vanessa does not appear nude in any shows on Disney channel.

...yet

but they support her. and if you are old enought to remember 1984 when another vanessa lost her crown because of some pictures you will realize times have changed. disney should dump her but they want becasue shes making them gazillions of dollars.

 

[justalurker]

Disney's support is a good parallel to the radio problem.

Disney is unlikely to distribute the pictures, but they fully support the actress. Not even a wag of the finger? Or would that not be politically correct telling a teen star to keep her clothes on?

On the radio we have the same dilemma ... songs that some MDs might want to play that may increase the ratings of the station and make the GMs happy (if the station cares about ratings instead of ministry). But playing those songs can support people who should NOT be exalted within a Christian community because of their other music or unrepented activities.

Vanessa said she's sorry ... I suppose that is something.

No shows on Disney portray members of the church of Wicca.

How many ACCURATELY portray Christians?

 

[rbrucecarter5]

but they support her. and if you are old enought to remember 1984 when another vanessa lost her crown because of some pictures you will realize times have changed. disney should dump her but they want becasue shes making them gazillions of dollars.

And I suppose you have lived a perfect life? If so, then pick up the first stone.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

How many ACCURATELY portray Christians?

Avonlea, Hannah Montana, some episodes of Sister Sister.

Disney lost its Christian influence about 15 years ago when Frank Wells died in a helicopter crash. Thus began the Michael Eisner era - he was a secular Jew. Therefore, a lot of Disney shows portrayed Judaism - Even Stevens, Lizzie McGuire, Kim Possible. Now that he is out, Christians in shows are coming back. Disney is starting to discover, as Nickelodeon did years ago - that Christian kids are more dedicated, have a better work ethic, and don't show up in tabloids. The Vanessa thing was unfortunate - as far as I know she is not a Christian. A good kid, but one who made a mistake.

Given the massive success of Hannah Montana, I expect Disney to get more bold in portraying Christianity

 

[justalurker]

but they support her. and if you are old enought to remember 1984 when another vanessa lost her crown because of some pictures you will realize times have changed. disney should dump her but they want becasue shes making them gazillions of dollars.

And I suppose you have lived a perfect life? If so, then pick up the first stone.

It isn't about stoning her ... it is about holding her up as an example to our children.
It is obvious that Disney can do no wrong in your eyes ... :

 

[rbrucecarter5]

It isn't about stoning her ... it is about holding her up as an example to our children.
It is obvious that Disney can do no wrong in your eyes ... :

Incorrect. Compared to the broadcast networks, they are excellent. I am apalled at Disney camera angles that go down some girl's tops. Whenever it is pointed out, the CG it out on subsequent airings, but the first airing should have been avoided. Nickelodeon, on the other hand, is MUCH more careful about camera angles, and all girls in short skirts are required to wear bike shorts under them. This saves them from a lot of CG work later on, but they are also very protective of their cast members. We cast and extra parents are VERY grateful for that!

I just get tired of people bringing up the Vanessa thing. It was one time poor judgement on her part - an attempt to rekindle a dying romance, the pictures never intended for public distribution. Someone obviously sold her out for the money. You can bet she is much more careful from now on. We are dealing with an 18 year old, someone who is barely an adult, and she made a mistake. Now, compare that with flamboyant excess from some unamed celebrities - and I am still proud to hold Vanessa up as a role model.

I saw that some people on here are still obsessing about the words "wizards" - I imagine that they would have been up in arms about Disney movies such as "Snow White", "Sleeping Beauty", which have witches in them. But both of which were allegorical tales about Christ saving the sinner - in a form little children could understand. And - for the record - so was Harry Potter. As far as Disney's "Wizards", it looks no more like real witches than "Bewitched" or "Sabrina" was. None of them were portraying real witchcraft like practiced by the church of Wicca. There are no more witches in those shows than there were in Salem - yet the hysteria of Salem seems to still exist today at the mere mention of the word "witch" or "wizard". Fortunately, it is very easy today to do web research on the true religion of witchcraft, and discover it has nothing to do with Samantha, Harry Potter, or the new Disney show.

I would say - all of this beautifully illustrates the tightrope some stations have taken in abandoning the "Christian" label and substituting "family friendly". The more informed listener is not likely to be offended. The knee-jerk traditionalist is going to be offended - by anything they can dredge up to be offended by - blind to the ministry the station is doing for others.

 

[PTCgal]

Bruce, I'm with you on this whole Vanessa thing. If we're going to talk about Disney, wasn't Brittney Spears a Mouseketeer? Come on now. I was in CCM for many years, and got out of it for the very reason some of you are talking about. Two things: 1- there are WAY too many hipocrits in the CCM format of radio. I agree with "He whoi is without sin cast the first stone" We forget that we are saved by grace. We are not any better than the listener that is seeking Jesus. We ALL need a Saviour! 2- If we keep preaching to the saved we forget about the seekers. Many stations that I have heard do this, and I think its not only wrong, its not what God would want us to do I believe. We are to be salt and light, and how can we do that if we are broadcasting, as well as molding our format to the Christian only? Yes, we need to make sure we are not becoming the world, but good grief we need to be real and show we are sinners as well.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

but they support her. and if you are old enought to remember 1984 when another vanessa lost her crown because of some pictures you will realize times have changed. disney should dump her but they want becasue shes making them gazillions of dollars.

And I suppose you have lived a perfect life? If so, then pick up the first stone.

Oh good night, Bruce. That is always the trite comeback! That's about as witty as "Oh yeah! Well..." and then they fumble for the keys in their pocket.

This isn't about judging people... at all. It's about a compromised product that is being dished out as 5-star viewing, and it's nothing more than re-runs. She, like so many before her, will find her way to Hef's mansion when her career is dried and withered. Who cares?

The focus of this post goes back to what was said earlier by lurker (nice analogy too). This is completely indicative of what is being pushed on CCM, family TV and churches everywhere. People do not want to offend in anyway anymore in this lovely PC world. Because of that, there are no more moral absolutes. Martin Luther would love this conversation, huh? Everyone considers that if there aren't any nude shots (at least outside of the producer's wallet and screen saver) and no eff bombs, then we can go singing "What a Wonderful World" because of the "family friendly" stuff we are promoting.

Sermons that don't convict. Songs that are warm and fuzzy, but don't about Jesus. And TV shows that kids find cool... not helpful.

I DO agree with you on this - hypocrites RUN CCM radio, which is why we are having this lively discussion in the first place. What you hear these days on CCM shouldn't be the boring stuff from yesteryear, but then again, it doesn't have to become general market AC radio either. CCM was created for a reason and it should remain that way. You make Jesus relevant, hip and alluring on radio. Try it. But, one quick thing, if we are to the salt of the earth, then don't you think what we say, think and do (and even broadcast) should make others thirsty?

 

[smashedcd]

judging her? did i say she was going to hell? did i question her salvation? no! am i perfect? NO! God no! i am as imperfect as kerry king of slayer! but i am not a role model for 12 year old girls either! i am no role model at all except for my own childs. just think disny should have dropped her but they will not. but then again i dont think disney is a christian corporation either. thats why AFR has been boycotting them since 1994. remember the lion king scandel

 

[justalurker]

Incorrect. Compared to the broadcast networks, they are excellent.

Compared to King David, I'm excellent. After all, I've never slept with my neighbor's wife, got her pregnant and eventually killed her husband to cover up the crime. Even the man after God's own heart managed to cross the line of "nothing inappropriate".

I am apalled at Disney camera angles that go down some girl's tops. Whenever it is pointed out, the CG it out on subsequent airings, but the first airing should have been avoided.

That problem with "the first airing" is key. How can they air "nothing inappropriate" yet still air things that you are apalled at in the first place? Are the teen cleavage shots you mention "nothing inappropriate"?

We cast and extra parents are VERY grateful for that!

Ahhh ... no wonder why you defend them beyond logic!

I just get tired of people bringing up the Vanessa thing. It was one time poor judgement on her part - an attempt to rekindle a dying romance, the pictures never intended for public distribution.

Her actions simply say chastity and modesty is not an important part of teen life today. Nice role model. :
But "nothing inappropriate". Right?

It isn't an issue of whether or not Disney is "better than" another network. It is an issue with describing Disney and Nickelodeon as airing "nothing inappropriate". Even though you complain about inappropriate content airing on both channels.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

boycotting them since 1994. remember the lion king scandel

Urban legend. Those leaves didn't spell "sex". neither did they intend for the castle to look like a penis on the Litte Mermaid artwork. When it was pointed out it could be taken that way, they revised it.