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Fight for NBC 10 continues in Ocean County
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Bogotaboy said:Well...I Guess it's over.On Jan 15 Comcast is placing c-span on channel 10 on analog lineup in Toms River/LBI system.That will put this ridiculous rant to bed.
Yes, MUCH better than LOCAL news/sports/weather...
Bogotaboy said:Well...I Guess it's over.On Jan 15 Comcast is placing c-span on channel 10 on analog lineup in Toms River/LBI system.That will put this ridiculous rant to bed.
How is being upset over Comcast dropping a LOCAL channel that provides LOCAL NEWS & WEATHER rediculous?
They carry TEN stations from New York on basic analog which do NOT provide any LOCAL news or weather, isn't THAT rediculous?
Bogotaboy said:Well...I Guess it's over.On Jan 15 Comcast is placing c-span on channel 10 on analog lineup in Toms River/LBI system.That will put this ridiculous rant to bed.
This is a silly comment. Oh yeah, I'm sure Comcast's customers will be delighted to have CSPAN where they once got a big 3 network affiliate. [sarcasm alert]
If I were one of their Ocean County customers, I'd be furious.
JerseyShor said:How is being upset over Comcast dropping a LOCAL channel that provides LOCAL NEWS & WEATHER rediculous?
But it's NOT a local station. The closest Ocean County comes to a "local" station is WWSI, and even that isn't that local.
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Well, it may not be a 'local' station, but WCAU came to Long Beach Island and Stafford Twp. on Monday to do a piece on the snowstorm. They interviewed a schoolteacher from Southern Regional High School who was cross country skiing on the beach at Ship Bottom or Surf City, then went over the causeway to Stafford to film some kids sledding.
As I watched (I have an antenna!) I thought it interesting that probably half of the people in the place where the story was being covered wouldn't be able to see it. Long story short: if a station covers events where/near where I live, it's local to me (DMA's are artificial boundaries that in many cases do not reflect viewing patterns or historic OTA availability), and it should be on basic cable. God knows CrapCast charges enough money for it.
As I watched (I have an antenna!) I thought it interesting that probably half of the people in the place where the story was being covered wouldn't be able to see it. Long story short: if a station covers events where/near where I live, it's local to me (DMA's are artificial boundaries that in many cases do not reflect viewing patterns or historic OTA availability), and it should be on basic cable. God knows CrapCast charges enough money for it.
NBC10 is 'significantly viewed' (SV) in Ocean County, and passes muster as being 'local'. 'Significantly viewed' is defined by the FCC; FCC SV status trumps use of Nielsen DMA boundaries. The only issue is that NBC doesn't care and isn't fighting to preserve NBC10 on basic cable there. While NBC10 may cover some news/weather there, it's not a critical area in their viewing and advertising area. And, they'd rather have the ratings not diluted from WNBC, and greater profits for their flagship station WNBC4.
In Berks County, WGAL 8[Lancaster] is 'significantly viewed'. WGAL is on CH.8, while Comcast's CN8 isn't. Comcast can't even play with re-assigning channel numbers by moving CN8 to CH.8, and WGAL to CH.99 or wherever they put channels they feel are unwanted. Unlike NBC's care for Ocean Co., Hearst Argyle would fight to preserve WGAL 8 there, if Comcast moved it. Even though it is not WGAL's primary area, WGAL 8 gets further exposure by being in Berks Co. Advertisers can reach a greater area on WGAL over another Harrisburg station. Plus, WGAL 8 is 'significantly viewed' and is the most local affiliate of NBC, as Reading is closer to Lancaster than Philadelphia, so it has legal protection to stay on cable.
In Berks County, WGAL 8[Lancaster] is 'significantly viewed'. WGAL is on CH.8, while Comcast's CN8 isn't. Comcast can't even play with re-assigning channel numbers by moving CN8 to CH.8, and WGAL to CH.99 or wherever they put channels they feel are unwanted. Unlike NBC's care for Ocean Co., Hearst Argyle would fight to preserve WGAL 8 there, if Comcast moved it. Even though it is not WGAL's primary area, WGAL 8 gets further exposure by being in Berks Co. Advertisers can reach a greater area on WGAL over another Harrisburg station. Plus, WGAL 8 is 'significantly viewed' and is the most local affiliate of NBC, as Reading is closer to Lancaster than Philadelphia, so it has legal protection to stay on cable.
Odds are that since WCAU is an "out of market" station in Ocean County, NBC is probably charging for it.
pabsungenis said:Odds are that since WCAU is an "out of market" station in Ocean County, NBC is probably charging for it.
I do not believe in that statement. I do not think that a major tv affiliate would charge a cable company to carry them.
dennis 10 said:I do not believe in that statement. I do not think that a major tv affiliate would charge a cable company to carry them.
Believe it: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i2d644c9b2dc238a0042a3853e3ed9c80?imw=Y
Mediacom cable is being charged about 0.50/subscriber/month to carry Sinclair-owned signals. Broadcasters CAN charge for carriage.
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How does that work with the must carry regulations?
Nertz! said:How does that work with the must carry regulations?
Must carry favors the in-market broadcasters. Once they demand carriage in the market, it must happen. Which is why some markets have a glut of shopping, infomercial and preacher channels that are a waste of space. But, if they demand to be carried (and are a full-powered signal, LPTV stations and PBS don't count) then cable within the market must pick them up. The broadcasters make deals with each cable outfil in their market(s) and sometimes a number of markets are negotiated at once.
However, broadcasters also have the right to demand compensation for carriage. That can be in the form of a charge per subscriber, the carriage of a co-owned cable network (think MSNBC and CNBC when NBC O&Os are negotiated), or all of the above.
If they do this, and no deal is met, then they can be removed from the cable company's lineup. 'Crap' channels know better than to do this (they just want to be on), but the owners of big 4 network stations have the leverage to make all sorts of deals across multiple markets. To my knowledge, viewer outcry always favors the broadcasters and, though there have been some well-publicised network blackouts on cable - none have lasted.
One more thing - network affiliates generally have exclusivity rights within their individual markets. There are exceptions to this for "significantly viewed" out of market signals and others, but for the most part they have exclusivity. Thus, the station owners usually hold all the cards and they know it.
That's the Reader's Digest version, though I'm sure that some folks here can be more exact about these terms than I have been able to be.
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