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Final Days for Movin 93.9?

SuperRadioFan said:
OK David or elchupacabras I'm sure one of you or both know the info... What percentage of the LA market (Arbitron 12+) is Spanish-speaking only (no English or barely a little English)? I assume your answer could/would include a breakdown of estimates legally here vs illegally here. David: We realize that Arbitron doesn't or can't include undocumenteds but just for the hell of it include them OK? Us English monolinguals would be interested in knowing!

The data comes from Nielsen, who gets it in surveys that determine the sample for TV an which are sold to Arbitron.

LA MSA is approximately 60% Spanish dominant, and another 15% bilingual. Spanish dominant means no English or very little.

No ratings service asks about residency; the Census does not, either. The assumption is that illegals are much less likely to participate, though.
 
1069_KIFR said:
So does 97.1 AMP Radio chalk this up as a win for them in the new LA Battleground?
Movin's listeners will likely drift to Jack, MY, HOT, KOST and KIIS. Call it a win for CBS and Clear Channel but not for AMP.
 
Movin's listeners will likely drift to Jack, MY, HOT, KOST and KIIS. Call it a win for CBS and Clear Channel but not for AMP.
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The stations that shared 20% or more of Movin's 18+ cume include

KBIG, KCBS, KHHT, KIIS, KLVR, KLOS, KLSX, KOST. KROQ, KRTH, KTWV and KYSR

KSCA, KRCD, KLYY, KBUE and KLAX all had about 15% sharing.
 
sfradio said:
movin listeners would probally go to hot 92.3 or ipod's , thats its
Movin has been much more 80's and not so rhythmic as of late, so I don't think that would be the top station benefit. You can follow Jack's decline to shortly after Movin went mostly 80's oldies. Jack would be the leading station to regain, although David and I have pointed out others including Hot. CBS and Clear Channel still have the most to gain from them.

Here are some stories from the MSM. Not too flattering about Movin from Emmis' spokesperson on the L.A. Times article. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cotown-emmis4-2009apr04,0,3233200.story
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/dees-station-emmis-2354367-kmvn-radio
 
H82BL8 said:
At a monthly lease rate of $585,000 per month, not including payroll, taxes, insurance and other costs, can you sell 30% of your time and get $75-$80 per minute in LA?

This isn't about money - it's about cultural identity and transborder politics. $14 million is chump change. How much did the United States spend on Voice of America, Radio Free Europe and Radio Marti over the years to influence politics of other countries?

Regarding the general issue of "foreign" ownership, who really owns Clear Channel and how do we know that? The "Going Private" money was raised by selling bonds. Who bought those bonds? Who owns them now? What are the FCC reporting requirements? What happens if TARP money is used to buy up "toxic" CC bonds and the Federal Government controls Clear Channel and Tim Geithner fires the management?

With up to 13 layers of corporate ownership between Parent and licensee, who possibly can figure out who controls what? CC's ownership filings originally pointed to TV station KAAS in Salina Kansas (First in the alphabet?) - But one of the first things done was to divest their TV stations to Newport - so even the history of pre-private ownership is hard to find. Corporate radio today is owned by the bondholders - the notion that equity stockholds "own" the company is just a legal fiction. That's why the stock can sell for a few cents, have Billions of dollars of negative equity - yet the bondholders don't force bankruptcy. It's not in their best interest.

The issues here are much bigger than just next year's "free cash flow"
 
SRGuide said:
This isn't about money - it's about cultural identity and transborder politics. $14 million is chump change.

$180,000,000 Pesos Mexicanos is not chump change to Grupo Radio Centro, S.A. de C.V., who borrowed it at about 13% interest. It means that GRC has to make the acquisition perform well in a poor U.S. economy and in a poor moment for radio in general.

There is no issue of "cultural identity" as the new station comes to compete on a relatively equal footing with established stations with very similar programming. Any radio station reflects the culture of its audience, whatever the format. So this new one will reflect the tastes and needs of some segment of Los Angleles Hispanics, already served by 12 different offerings.

And there is no issue of "transborder politics" as the deal is patently legal; US firms have been renting Mexican stations going back 70 years, and Mexican stations have been programming to the US along the border as long as radio existed there.

How much did the United States spend on Voice of America, Radio Free Europe and Radio Marti over the years to influence politics of other countries?

Irrelevant. How is a clone of one of GRC's FM formats, totally music-based and devoid of political content, going to be comparable with the news and talk based, agenda driven, content of the VOA or the Radio Martí program?

Regarding the general issue of "foreign" ownership, who really owns Clear Channel and how do we know that? The "Going Private"money was raised by selling bonds. Who bought those bonds? Who owns them now? What are the FCC reporting requirements? What happens if TARP money is used to buy up "toxic" CC bonds and the Federal Government controls Clear Channel and Tim Geithner fires the management?

There are required forms one must fill for all brokerage and related accounts that show citizenship and tax status. Perfect? No... because most areas of commerce have no citizenship requirements.

Bondholders are lenders. They are secured by assets and promises of certain operating ratios. But they do not exert influence on the companies that issued the bonds any more than your mortgage lender tells you how to paint your bedroom or your car lender tells you what speed to go. In a forclosure, which would be relevant only in a Chapter 7 proceeding, a court appointed representative administers and sells the assets to another party. In a Ch. 11 deal, the assets are preserved under court protection untill the company either recovers or goes to liquidation... and in neither case do the secured debt holders own the company.

Corporate radio today is owned by the bondholders - the notion that equity stockholds "own" the company is just a legal fiction. That's why the stock can sell for a few cents, have Billions of dollars of negative equity - yet the bondholders don't force bankruptcy. It's not in their best interest.

Secured lenders have first claim on the sale of assets in a liquidation. Often, in the case of a failing company, the bondholders will take lower interest or less principal to recover something as opposed to forcing a company to liquidate. Equity holders have the lowest security, and are essentially counting on the long term profitability of a company.

Negative equity, as long as a company is paying its obligations, is even to some extent irrelevant. Asset value is only an issue if you sell the asset. If it is producting, you don't sell it. I have a BRIC fund that is off 74%; as long as I don't sell it I have no loss, and if I keep it it may recover in some time. For the moment, I own, through the fund, the same things i owned before the market revalued them.
 
Carmine5 said:
At some point the American people are going to have to get serious about taking local radio away from Mega-Lo Mart media companies like Emmis. They're killing the industry.

What are they going to do? The American people have no say in the matter. This isn't some reality TV show where the public gets to vote someone off the show.

Are you aware that Elvis Presley is owned by the Japanese, and Hank Williams is owned by the French? Do you know how much US debt is owned by China and Saudi Arabia? Do you know how many American architectual icons are owned by foreign investors? Do you know how many former American jobs have been shipped overseas?

Sure there's a slight rumble of discontent, followed by the reality that we claim we are a democracy with open markets and free trade. How can we really speak out of both sides of our mouth?

We sell offshore drilling rights to foreign oil companies, so selling local radio to a foreign company is the least of our problems.

As for Emmis, it's only mistake was that it's not a lot bigger. Otherwise it would be to big to fail.
 
DavidEduardo said:
And there is no issue of "transborder politics" as the deal is patently legal; US firms have been renting Mexican stations going back 70 years, and Mexican stations have been programming to the US along the border as long as radio existed there.

Good point. For those who forget, ever heard of Wolfman Jack? He made a name for himself broadcasting FROM Mexico.
 
elchupacabras said:
DavidEduardo said:
And there is no issue of "transborder politics" as the deal is patently legal; US firms have been renting Mexican stations going back 70 years, and Mexican stations have been programming to the US along the border as long as radio existed there.

Good point. For those who forget, ever heard of Wolfman Jack? He made a name for himself broadcasting FROM Mexico.

Technically, Wolfman did broadcast from Mexico, though actually, Wolfman worked in Los Angeles, where he recorded his shows. XERB had a very small studio on Sunset Blvd in the 60s. The tapes were driven south over the border to Rosarito, where they were broadcast at the transmitter site.
 
Lkeller said:
Technically, Wolfman did broadcast from Mexico, though actually, Wolfman worked in Los Angeles, where he recorded his shows. XERB had a very small studio on Sunset Blvd in the 60s. The tapes were driven south over the border to Rosarito, where they were broadcast at the transmitter site.

But, I think the esteemed goatsucker is referring to the place where Wolfman became famous, XERF, in Villa Acña, Coahuila, México. It had no US studio and it was necessary to cross over to the station for each show. No tapes, no 325b trans border microwave, just cross the bridge.
 
elchupacabras said:
Obviously haven't read history. Los Angeles' real name is: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciúncula.

No actually that is not its real name: before the Europeans came Los Indios simply called it "home."
 
TheBigA said:
Carmine5 said:
At some point the American people are going to have to get serious about taking local radio away from Mega-Lo Mart media companies like Emmis. They're killing the industry.

What are they going to do? The American people have no say in the matter. This isn't some reality TV show where the public gets to vote someone off the show.

Are you aware that Elvis Presley is owned by the Japanese, and Hank Williams is owned by the French? Do you know how much US debt is owned by China and Saudi Arabia? Do you know how many American architectual icons are owned by foreign investors? Do you know how many former American jobs have been shipped overseas?

Sure there's a slight rumble of discontent, followed by the reality that we claim we are a democracy with open markets and free trade. How can we really speak out of both sides of our mouth?

We sell offshore drilling rights to foreign oil companies, so selling local radio to a foreign company is the least of our problems.

As for Emmis, it's only mistake was that it's not a lot bigger. Otherwise it would be to big to fail.

Whoa, whoa. We're not talking tires from Brazil or even intellectual property owned by the Germans or French here. We're talking about the ephemeral ether known as the public airwaves, airwaves owned (in theory anyway) by whoever happens to live in the area that these airwaves operate.

The purpose, as accomplished through the marvel of radio technology, is to disseminate information, opinion, entertainment etc., to the local population. As such, most people of any country (yourself obviously excluded) would find the idea of such local airwaves owned and operated by a foreign entity repugnant--myself included. The government certainly does.

To be sure, Emmis will undoubtedly find some shell game strategy to make this deal tidy and legal. That doesn't make it or them any less repugnant.

C5
 
Carmine5 said:
The purpose, as accomplished through the marvel of radio technology, is to disseminate information, opinion, entertainment etc., to the local population. As such, most people of any country (yourself obviously excluded) would find the idea of such local airwaves owned and operated by a foreign entity repugnant--myself included. The government certainly does.

No, the government allows 25% foreign ownership. Some countries allow total foreign ownership, others allow none. Others allow domestic corporations owned by foreigners to own stations; I owned a dozen or so stations in South America some years ago in such an arrangement.

To be sure, Emmis will undoubtedly find some shell game strategy to make this deal tidy and legal. That doesn't make it or them any less repugnant.

An LMA, in lay terms, is a lease. Emmis still owns the station.

In any case, GRC could finance the purchase, later, by its President's son, who is a US citizen, and continue to lease it from him. Perfectly legal. No different than Rupert Murdoch becoming a US Citizen to buy media properties... just a lot less money involved.
 
PapiYankee said:
R&R sent a blast confirming a LMA with Grupo Radio Centro just now. So now I ask.... when is Movin's last day?
And how will this affect the other Mexican stations KLAX, KSCA, KBUE, KDLE? Also, will it affect KLVE, KSSE, KXOL, KRCD?


This has been in the works forever (as you can see by the date) and it is no surprise.

Kabrich said:
Movin' will most likely go to a new Spanish Radio Broadcaster.
 
The first clue was back early in January when All Access Net News posted the license change for Movin. David Eduardo was the first to post the actual group based on a Spanish language radio industry news website.

Kabrich said:
PapiYankee said:
R&R sent a blast confirming a LMA with Grupo Radio Centro just now. So now I ask.... when is Movin's last day?
And how will this affect the other Mexican stations KLAX, KSCA, KBUE, KDLE? Also, will it affect KLVE, KSSE, KXOL, KRCD?


This has been in the works forever (as you can see by the date) and it is no surprise.

Movin' will most likely go to a new Spanish Radio Broadcaster.
 
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