Finally some hard numbers on HD radio sales.

[vsa]

Mark Ramsey reports this in his blog on this day - February 1, 2008.

"Finally some hard numbers on HD radio sales: 330,000 sold in 2007, up from 40,000 receivers in 2006. Spin this any way you like, the reality is that these are low numbers, particularly after hundreds of millions of dollars of radio promotion provided gratis."

More at the link:

http://www.hear2.com/2008/02/hd-radio-sales.html

Hmmm. What words can be used to accurately describe the status of HD radio?

For starters, I can think of "deceased, departed, gone, inanimate, pulseless, cold, d.o.a., defunct, exanimate, nonviable, stillborn and stone-dead."

 

[Mike Walker]

1)-The numbers mean nothing (if they're even real). The new crop of affordable radios (in the 100 dollar range, and lower...sometimes much lower) and new products from BIG NAME BRANDS just started the last quarter of the year.

2)-Hear2 is always comparing internet radio with HD. The REAL comparison is internet radio with TERRESTRIAL RADIO, because HD isn't something separate...it's the next evolution of the most successful mass electronic medium in the history of man. It's EVOLUTIONARY, not revolutionary. HD is being incorporated into tons of new radios. People may not seek HD specifically. But when they buy their next radio, it'll be in there...in a brand like Sony, Yamaha, Kenwood, Polk, etc.

3)-I guess you guys have given up on "it's only no-name manufacturers", and "it's not available at stores REAL PEOPLE shop at". You've also given up on internet trends, I see, because they're all UP!

 

[vsa]

1)-The numbers mean nothing...

C'mon Mike. What do you mean the numbers mean nothing?

Do you feel that way when someone writes you a talent fee check for $50 when it should have been $500?

The numbers are horrible! They're also not far out of line with the 150,000 figure given to me personally by an iBiquity representative last April at the NAB Show in Las Vegas.

It's time for Plan B. There is a Plan B, isn't there?

 

[vsa]

The numbers mean nothing (if they're even real)...

By the way, the numbers were reported by iBiquity's head buzzer Robert Struble to the NAB. Story available 2/1/08 in the news section at:

http://www.allaccess.com/

 

[KB1OKL]

But that's not the best part, in that same article he states that in October ibiquity had said they had sold 200,000 units in 2006, they then changed their tune to 40,000 units sold in 2006. I wonder of that was so they could say that their sales improved 700% from 2006 to 2007, little forgetful perhaps? I wouldn't want to think otherwise.

http://www.hear2.com/2008/02/hd-radio-sales.html#comments

 

[hipporadio]

...I wonder of that was so they could say that their sales improved 700% from 2006 to 2007, little forgetful perhaps? I wouldn't want to think otherwise.

I hope that was a cynical comment, KB! I’m sorry to disrupt Mr. Struble’s joyride in the sky – not that a mere 330,000 new HD radios are worthy of celebration or even a Junior Achievement sales award – but iBiquity is back to its all-to-typical truth-stretching. The amusing little secret from WITHIN the consumer electronics business is: The HD receiver population grew by well-under HALF what he claimed [about 130,000]. So how does one construe that REALITY to juxtapose Mr. Struble’s “lap-dance” at a broadcast event? Well... We all know, there are 200,000 folks out thar’ in Raydeeo-Land who purchased an HD radio and didn’t even know it – now I’M being cynical, KB

Oh, I can hear it now... Cries of “foul”, the lunatic fringe, and fond memories of Manasota Key! Before The Three Stooges grab the other half-dozen orange-clad pom-pom guys who promote HD at any cost here and scream “prove it”, I’ll sensibly turn the tables and remind you that it is more incumbent upon Mr. Struble to provide credible references in regards to sales claims—and HE HASN’T! I gain nothing by violating my employer’s TOS in regards to public discussion by presenting data destined for dismissal by those here who remain in denial regardless!

Let’s just consider the HD Radio resume for 2007...

—By year-end, there were about a HALF-DOZEN HD-capable receivers with ANY notoriety and loosely-committed marketing efforts in broad-based retail orbit [one model from Sony; TWO (whoopee) from Sangean; a mobile unit from JVC; a boom-box wannabe (that really ISN’T since it holds no batteries) from Radiosophy; The $600 Polk (last mass-market sighting reported on that notorious shopping channel that managed to move a mere 200 HD radios); and least I forget—the “impressive” Insignia all-in-one credenza music system available at only ONE retail chain. No doubt, the cadre of HD enthusiasts here will quickly reply with a long and head-turning list of additional offerings – least they recall my qualification of a viable marketing effort and general retail availability... Most others remain virtual vapor-ware or are clad in such marketing obscurity that anyone residing outside radio industry geekdom has no idea of their presence.

—The original “HD Alpha”—the BA Receptor passed into “HD Heaven [or...]”, and the “Beta” model is naught. Boston Acoustics maintains HD Radio on “permanent suspension” [that’s a characterization from WITHIN the BA building]... The same scenario awaited the first “common man’s HD” at RadioShack... Despite a web reference, the HD Accurian is history [no new orders have been placed for it], and remaining stock has made its way to the knee-level close-out shelf a few feet from a store’s rear “private” door where it sets UNCONNECTED alongside other “stray” items.

—Several CEMs once-devoted to HD-by-2007 have declared their semi-permanent disinterest. Tivoli Audio’s Tom DeVesto is on the record: “Terrestrial radio stations have to offer different content; and costs have to come down, before the technology will fly in the market. HD Radio adds cost with minimal return. Today’s FM has higher fidelity than HD Radio, [citing HD Radio’s MP3 quality] HD Radio won’t sound better than a high-quality analog FM radio.” Yamaha, once “onboard”, has quarantined HD Radio to ONLY its all-technology esoteric $5800 surround-sound AV receiver.

—Lastly, let us not forget HD Radio’s opportunity to swing at “the golden pitch” on the QVC Network last Fall... ALL of us remember the hoopla... ALL of us remember the paltry 200 radios that sold [over half RETURNED]... So does QVC! It was THE WORST performing half-hour in that operation’s history. Needless-to-say, HD hasn’t been invited back.

To the “sensible” here at R-I—ones not living a delusion or suffering a case of corporate radio denial... IF sale of HD-capable units had increased by 700-percent, do you really believe we would have witnessed what I described in the previous three scenerios?

P.S. Sorry George... I tried to maintain my “strength” and adhere to the “30-day moratorium”... I just couldn’t let this one pass. Now, I’ll go back to my corner and try to be a good boy ;D

 

[wgliradio]

1)-The numbers mean nothing (if they're even real). The new crop of affordable radios (in the 100 dollar range, and lower...sometimes much lower) and new products from BIG NAME BRANDS just started the last quarter of the year.

There still aren't any radios for much below $100 right now

2)-Hear2 is always comparing internet radio with HD. The REAL comparison is internet radio with TERRESTRIAL RADIO, because HD isn't something separate...it's the next evolution of the most successful mass electronic medium in the history of man. It's EVOLUTIONARY, not revolutionary. HD is being incorporated into tons of new radios. People may not seek HD specifically. But when they buy their next radio, it'll be in there...in a brand like Sony, Yamaha, Kenwood, Polk, etc.

This may be true, but it doesn't ensure the public will know what it is listening to, or will tolerate the reception flaws if it does.

3)-I guess you guys have given up on "it's only no-name manufacturers", and "it's not available at stores REAL PEOPLE shop at". You've also given up on internet trends, I see, because they're all UP!

But the consumer response remains the same. I wonder if a radio that is "HD READY" qualifies in the count, a radio which really cannot receive an HD signal without an add on tuner.

 

[KB1OKL]

...I wonder of that was so they could say that their sales improved 700% from 2006 to 2007, little forgetful perhaps? I wouldn't want to think otherwise.

I hope that was a cynical comment, KB! I’m sorry to disrupt Mr. Struble’s joyride in the sky – not that a mere 330,000 new HD radios are worthy of celebration or even a Junior Achievement sales award – but iBiquity is back to its all-to-typical truth-stretching. The amusing little secret from WITHIN the consumer electronics business is: The HD receiver population grew by well-under HALF what he claimed [about 130,000]. So how does one construe that REALITY to juxtapose Mr. Struble’s “lap-dance” at a broadcast event? Well... We all know, there are 200,000 folks out thar’ in Raydeeo-Land who purchased an HD radio and didn’t even know it – now I’M being cynical, KB

Oh, I can hear it now... Cries of “foul”, the lunatic fringe, and fond memories of Manasota Key! Before The Three Stooges grab the other half-dozen orange-clad pom-pom guys who promote HD at any cost here and scream “prove it”, I’ll sensibly turn the tables and remind you that it is more incumbent upon Mr. Struble to provide credible references in regards to sales claims—and HE HASN’T! I gain nothing by violating my employer’s TOS in regards to public discussion by presenting data destined for dismissal by those here who remain in denial regardless!

Let’s just consider the HD Radio resume for 2007...

—By year-end, there were about a HALF-DOZEN HD-capable receivers with ANY notoriety and loosely-committed marketing efforts in broad-based retail orbit [one model from Sony; TWO (whoopee) from Sangean; a mobile unit from JVC; a boom-box wannabe (that really ISN’T since it holds no batteries) from Radiosophy; The $600 Polk (last mass-market sighting reported on that notorious shopping channel that managed to move a mere 200 HD radios); and least I forget—the “impressive” Insignia all-in-one credenza music system available at only ONE retail chain. No doubt, the cadre of HD enthusiasts here will quickly reply with a long and head-turning list of additional offerings – least they recall my qualification of a viable marketing effort and general retail availability... Most others remain virtual vapor-ware or are clad in such marketing obscurity that anyone residing outside radio industry geekdom has no idea of their presence.

—The original “HD Alpha”—the BA Receptor passed into “HD Heaven [or...]”, and the “Beta” model is naught. Boston Acoustics maintains HD Radio on “permanent suspension” [that’s a characterization from WITHIN the BA building]... The same scenario awaited the first “common man’s HD” at RadioShack... Despite a web reference, the HD Accurian is history [no new orders have been placed for it], and remaining stock has made its way to the knee-level close-out shelf a few feet from a store’s rear “private” door where it sets UNCONNECTED alongside other “stray” items.

—Several CEMs once-devoted to HD-by-2007 have declared their semi-permanent disinterest. Tivoli Audio’s Tom DeVesto is on the record: “Terrestrial radio stations have to offer different content; and costs have to come down, before the technology will fly in the market. HD Radio adds cost with minimal return. Today’s FM has higher fidelity than HD Radio, [citing HD Radio’s MP3 quality] HD Radio won’t sound better than a high-quality analog FM radio.” Yamaha, once “onboard”, has quarantined HD Radio to ONLY its all-technology esoteric $5800 surround-sound AV receiver.

—Lastly, let us not forget HD Radio’s opportunity to swing at “the golden pitch” on the QVC Network last Fall... ALL of us remember the hoopla... ALL of us remember the paltry 200 radios that sold [over half RETURNED]... So does QVC! It was THE WORST performing half-hour in that operation’s history. Needless-to-say, HD hasn’t been invited back.

To the “sensible” here at R-I—ones not living a delusion or suffering a case of corporate radio denial... IF sale of HD-capable units had increased by 700-percent, do you really believe we would have witnessed what I described in the previous three scenerios?

P.S. Sorry George... I tried to maintain my “strength” and adhere to the “30-day moratorium”... I just couldn’t let this one pass. Now, I’ll go back to my corner and try to be a good boy ;D

Nahh, I would never be cynical hippo. permanent suspension? hahahahahaha!!! Great post by the way.

 

[KB1OKL]

Looks like it's dead in Australia too:

http://lists.radiolists.net/pipermail/broadcast/2006-March/028726.html

Of course Australia's Strubie sees it differently:

But the comments received a forceful response from the radio industry
group Commercial Radio Australia, with chief executive Joan Warner
saying she was "very surprised".

 

[LinoNYC]

Mark Ramsey reports this in his blog on this day - February 1, 2008.

"Finally some hard numbers on HD radio sales: 330,000 sold in 2007, up from 40,000 receivers in 2006. Spin this any way you like, the reality is that these are low numbers, particularly after hundreds of millions of dollars of radio promotion provided gratis."

More at the link:

http://www.hear2.com/2008/02/hd-radio-sales.html

Hmmm. What words can be used to accurately describe the status of HD radio?

For starters, I can think of "deceased, departed, gone, inanimate, pulseless, cold, d.o.a., defunct, exanimate, nonviable, stillborn and stone-dead."

You start a thread with an authoritative sounding header...then offer us...a blog?

I know that you and your alter-ego "VOD" are fond of these new-age catch phrases such a "disruptive" and "sustaining technology" so, here's a new one:
HD radio is a seeping technology -one that is not a revolution but rather a gradual evolution. One that frees FM from mutipath, noise and distortion and with subchannels that if programmed with insight may offer real competition for the emerging tech that crowd the landscape. A tech that may finally offer some AM stations a path back to relevance and a chance to avoid a grim hobble toward scrap.

For those that assert a bungled marketing effore early on, I agree, few are interested in single purpose radios these days you have only to visit your nearest big-box store and observe how many prospects are perusing the "radio" section. Even those all-in-one systems are now passe..aside from clock radios only home theater sets get any respect these days.

Lino

 

[Board Editor]

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[rbrucecarter5]

"Finally some hard numbers on HD radio sales: 330,000 sold in 2007, up from 40,000 receivers in 2006. Spin this any way you like, the reality is that these are low numbers, particularly after hundreds of millions of dollars of radio promotion provided gratis."

These numbers are meaningless unless compared as a percentage to the sales of conventional radios, consumer electronics with radios embedded, and other consumer entertainment devices.

 

[kenglish]

Let's see.....

I walk in to the local Big Box store. The first thing I see and hear is a huge display for satellite Pay Radio (XM/Sirius).

I walk past it, to the car stereo department. There, I'm confronted by another huge display of sat radio stuff.

I get out my magnifying glass and go looking for a car stereo with an "HD Radio" logo somewhere....usually printed in dark grey, on a black background.

Find one. Turn it on....maybe to a really funky, new, HD2 format. Wait a minute or two to see if anyone notices. "Wait! There's another customer! I'll show off HD Radio!!"

Blip! Off goes the big red light/button. The speakers fill with SATELLITE RADIO!!

Maybe I'll watch for some mention in the local newspapers' "Radio Listings" .

 

[KB1OKL]

Let's see.....

I walk in to the local Big Box store. The first thing I see and hear is a huge display for satellite Pay Radio (XM/Sirius).

I walk past it, to the car stereo department. There, I'm confronted by another huge display of sat radio stuff.

I get out my magnifying glass and go looking for a car stereo with an "HD Radio" logo somewhere....usually printed in dark grey, on a black background.

Find one. Turn it on....maybe to a really funky, new, HD2 format. Wait a minute or two to see if anyone notices. "Wait! There's another customer! I'll show off HD Radio!!"

Blip! Off goes the big red light/button. The speakers fill with SATELLITE RADIO!!

Maybe I'll watch for some mention in the local newspapers' "Radio Listings" .

Well in the outside chance that they may actually sell one in the next year or two I would think that they would have to have something going through it to fool people into thinking that they work without big outside rooftop antennas.

 

[hipporadio]

First, I’d like to THANK the Board Editors here for maintaining “control” in the face of this pro-HD-at-all-cost gutter-assult! PocketRadio was allegedly-BANNED here at R-I - WHY not this PRO-HD bush-leaguer for his consistent PERSONAL HARASSMENT of posters opposed to his jaded opinion. He has offered NOTHING here but a narow-minded affront on dedicated posters on behalf of DYING HD... Then used personal invective [and bragged about such] to make his pathetic point [PocketRadio never stooped to that!]... At least Pocket posted useful "links"! kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace [least I be demeaned because I "sauntered into my transmitter site" or "worked in a cubiclal".. LESS THAN HALF what iBiquity’s spokes-MBAs reported in front of an assembly of his peers have actually SOLD!

“The Public” is clearly UNMOVED!

What say-you...?

 

[LinoNYC]

At least Pocket posted useful "links"! kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace [least I be demeaned because I "sauntered into my transmitter site" or "worked in a cubiclal".. LESS THAN HALF what iBiquity’s spokes-MBAs reported in front of an assembly of his peers have actually SOLD!
“The Public” is clearly UNMOVED!
What say-you...?

At least Pocket posted useful "links"!

-"useful links" = blogs of other naysayers, never anything else. He currently plays at DelColliano's board...along with "the Man From Manasota Key".

kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace

I see, you use the "opinions" of another naysayer as "proof" of the veracity in your "opinions".

One mo' time: Blogs are not proof. Opinions are not facts.

Lino

 

[Tom Wells]

At least Pocket posted useful "links"! kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace [least I be demeaned because I "sauntered into my transmitter site" or "worked in a cubiclal".. LESS THAN HALF what iBiquity’s spokes-MBAs reported in front of an assembly of his peers have actually SOLD!
“The Public” is clearly UNMOVED!
What say-you...?

At least Pocket posted useful "links"!

-"useful links" = blogs of other naysayers, never anything else. He currently plays at DelColliano's board...along with "the Man From Manasota Key".

kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace

I see, you use the "opinions" of another naysayer as "proof" of the veracity in your "opinions".

One mo' time: Blogs are not proof. Opinions are not facts.

Lino

Neither are snapshots of a spectrum analyzer which does not show the accumulated spectral distribution over the standard defined measurement period.

By the way, why doesn't ibiquity have a director of damage-control or something to refute the "wild claims" and "opinions"?

I'm sure they appreciate those of you who do try to make the best possible presentation on their position.

Those of us who find various faults to pick with HD generally do so out of love for the medium, the technology, and the desire to preserve the best possible
service in the manner we have enjoyed since the inception of radio.

I accept that NYC and its environs has a perhaps one of the, if not THE most challenging, difficult RF environments to be found anywhere.
Whether that justifies changing radio everywhere else in the country is debatable.
I have long thought core-urban dwellers have needed central RF distribution systems inside buildings in the same way RF is provided in the Lincoln and Holland tunnels. The problem is two-fold. Signal attenuation could be dealt with, but modern electronic design with discontinuous current devices added to the picture is what has precipitated the noise problem. Shouldn't the NAB have gone after requiring meaningful compliance with pt 15 unintentional radiator rules?

The FCC has the power to stop importation and/or US manufacture of the products you and all urban dwellers suffer from.
Bad engineering is bad engineering. A REAL rheostat generates NO NOISE whatsoever. All the "loss" becomes heat, not a "right angle turn" of the waveform,
which generates RF byproducts over a very wide spectrum. Even a triac or SCR circuit can be built with proper bypassing, in a METAL case, which would satisfy pt 15 rules. It is becoming evident, at least for AM, that the same issues which are interfering with analog reception, are not overcome by
a signal which is basically 100% all of the time, rather than variable. A wideband wired-radio distrubution in urban buildings is not so farfetched.
I suspect those who want decent TV in NYC use cable. Such difficult RF environments need special treatment and measures.
To ask everyone, everywhere else to lower their expectations for radio is hardly acceptable.

Those who are "on the bandwagon" really ought to get a check from ibiquity for their promotional assistance.

 

[LinoNYC]

quote author=Tom Wells

By the way, why doesn't ibiquity have a director of damage-control or something to refute the "wild claims" and "opinions"?

_Probably two reasons; these hobby boards attract only the tiniest minority of the public and there hasn't been any public outcry over this system.

I'm sure they appreciate those of you who do try to make the best possible presentation on their position.


A rather snide remark.

Those of us who find various faults to pick with HD generally do so out of love for the medium, the technology, and the desire to preserve the best possible
service in the manner we have enjoyed since the inception of radio.

AM is fighting for it's future, I grew up with high quality wideband AM that sounded often better than FM, the average person didn't and the last two generations are not interested in it. The audio is the reason.

I accept that NYC and its environs has a perhaps one of the, if not THE most challenging, difficult RF environments to be found anywhere.
Whether that justifies changing radio everywhere else in the country is debatable.

NO station is forced to adopt this system It was AM broadcasters who demanded via the NAB their inclusion in what was originally envisioned as an FM-only project.


I have long thought core-urban dwellers have needed central RF distribution systems inside buildings in the same way RF is provided in the Lincoln and Holland tunnels.

The problem with this concept is that residential buildings are not Faraday cages, a tunnel is after the first 50 or so feet. The "leaky conductor" that works so well there would find it's signal clashing with OTA. our building has this problem with it's CATV system and it badly damages some channels.

Most people put up with FM multipath unless it gets horrendous but even on the WPLJ aircheck that I posted you can certainly hear how after the first 6 sec the sound clears. No point in reiterating the issues with AM.


The problem is two-fold. Signal attenuation could be dealt with, but modern electronic design with discontinuous current devices added to the picture is what has precipitated the noise problem. Shouldn't the NAB have gone after requiring meaningful compliance with pt 15 unintentional radiator rules?

Maybe so, but with ever fewer people listening to AM radio there hasn't been a public outcry and the NAB would have stiff opposition from other business and importers of this noisy junk.


Bad engineering is bad engineering. A REAL rheostat generates NO NOISE whatsoever. All the "loss" becomes heat, not a "right angle turn" of the waveform,
which generates RF byproducts over a very wide spectrum.

You can't be proposing a return to rheostats! I'am old enough to remember the waning day of their use in Broadway houses. Six or more piano boards (size of an upright piano) each with 6-8 fully loaded 6-10-14 kw dimmers and their smaller preset boards, many of the cores showing color. An enoumous waste of energy a sweltering place to work. Much better are the autotransformers and mag-amps.

I've worked on over 170 productions, almost all used scr dimmers some of these shows were broadcast via WNCN radio and/or PBS tv, there was never any problem with professional light control equipment.

I suspect those who want decent TV in NYC use cable. Such difficult RF environments need special treatment and measures.
To ask everyone, everywhere else to lower their expectations for radio is hardly acceptable.

Again, no one is forced to use the iboc system.

Those who are "on the bandwagon" really ought to get a check from ibiquity for their promotional assistance.

That's insulting. I'am personally not on anybody's "bandwagon" I have a low opinion of businessmen and their republican puppets.

If you want to assign blame for the state of AM radio..blame the public that has deserted it. IBOC is a tool offered to an industry in decline. It'll probably fail and the churches, preachers and other hucksters will then overtake your's (and mine) beloved medium.

Lino

 

[Tom Wells]

Please don't paint me as snide or insulting, we're trying to have a conversation without name calling, insinuation or stooping to
immature language. I agree rheostats in commercial applications are more efficient, but in homes, 3 way lamps are a far better solution than
ruining AM reception.
There are places in industrial controls where I sure-nuff do support a return to rheostats, as I am tired of seeing machines lose production time because some over-complicated motor drive controller decides to die. One big power supply, some wires and a dozen rheostats has far less to fail than several thousand surface mount components, many of them at the very limits of their ratings.
Of course it's cheap in production, but the reverse side of the issue is all the down time such complex equipment will see over the
life of the product.

OK, I used "on the bandwagon" to mean "supporters of the new technology".
I don't think you're really out there waving an ibiquity banner.
I still think they owe you and others money or at least a letter of thanks for being an ardent promoter of this new tech.


If audio quality is the reason people are deserting AM, then every step the AM stations have taken technically over the last
20 years has been in the wrong direction.

Back in the late 20's stations and radio stores held "Burn the Bloopers" events, where crummy cheap radios that went into oscillation were
traded in for a few bucks toward a new superhet. The trade-ins were literally burned in a pile.
AM stations and stores now need "mash the mumblers" events where narrowband AMs are smashed and you get a coupon for $ off
a wideband radio that sounds as well as you and I know it could.

 

[KB1OKL]

At least Pocket posted useful "links"! kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace [least I be demeaned because I "sauntered into my transmitter site" or "worked in a cubiclal".. LESS THAN HALF what iBiquity’s spokes-MBAs reported in front of an assembly of his peers have actually SOLD!
“The Public” is clearly UNMOVED!
What say-you...?

At least Pocket posted useful "links"!

-"useful links" = blogs of other naysayers, never anything else. He currently plays at DelColliano's board...along with "the Man From Manasota Key".

kenglish has made a definitive point! WHERE are the HD Radios? I can BARELY find them! That FACT would “jive” with my earlier report that in 2007 UNDER 150,000 ACTUALLY sold in the marketplace

I see, you use the "opinions" of another naysayer as "proof" of the veracity in your "opinions".

One mo' time: Blogs are not proof. Opinions are not facts.

Lino

Blogs may not be facts but... they are very influential in politics, and are becoming more so in radio every day. Don't let them sneak up and bite you on the you know what. I dare say what you read in blogs becomes true later on for the most part.
Pocketradio and DR. Z from Manasota Key have some very useful and articulate things to say, I guess you just don't happen to agree with them, I do, maybe you don't take the time to read them and think about them.
Manasota actually writes some of the funniest stuff I've read, I would imagine you don't like John Gorman either. I guess you have to appreciate good sarcasm to like these guy's writing style.