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"First HD FM Station in the Philippines"

SUPERCASTER said:
The Phillippines has an average annual per capita income of $1,040, with hunger, malnutrition, and poverty rampant. I don't think Filipinos will give up what little they have to eat to buy expensive HD radios.
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The Philippines has an average family income of $3,299, but in MetroManila the inome is nearly $10,000 per family. The Philippines, like many developing nations, has a huge disparity between remote rural family incomes and the incomes in the large cities.

But, more important, you can not evaluate the income levels from one country to another without also taking into account the standard of living that a particular income level provides. If food is vastly less expensive, housing less expensive, and there is good public transportation obviating the need for a car, then a much lower income by US standards actually provides a much better lifestyle.

Outside the highly developed nations, radio is bought based on the income levels of each station's listeners. So a Manila station in HD that appeals to the upper income groups would definitely have a competitive advantage... since upper income level households in developing nations generally have a better lifestyle than similar groups in the US.

This, altogether, is why there is a rush by the major Brazilian broadcasters to convert to HD... HD has both novelty value for trendsetters and sets some stations apart from the rest.
 
Eduardo said:
HD has both novelty value for trendsetters and sets some stations apart from the rest.
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Yup, it's obvious, all HD stations have much more hiss and buzz. That's what "sets some stations apart from the rest."

I suggest if you dispute the sources I quoted and linked to, you should take it up with them, and not me.

Widespread poverty, rapidly thinning natural resources and worsening peace and order problems are already the symptoms of a runaway population problem.
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Source:
http://www.pia.gov.ph/default.asp?m=12&fi=p040330.htm&no=6
 
SUPERCASTER said:
I suggest if you dispute the sources I quoted and linked to, you should take it up with them, and not me.
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The fact is that you can not measure the standard of living of another country on the basis of converting to dollars and judging by what that amount of dollars will buy in the US. MetroManila income is much higher than that in the rest of the country, and there is a huge and affluent middle and upper income class.

By the same standards, I could live better in Mexico than I do in the US with a quarter of the income. Your comparison is ingenuous and irrelevant.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
So, Eduardo is saying that the many millions of people risking their lives to come to the USA by land, sea and air are attracted to hunger and poverty here and not escaping hunger and poverty there?

Why would they abandon the lush life you describe in their homelands, to come here?

Just to listen to HD radio?

Eduardo, your posts here are bogus.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/bogus

Map of percentage of people living on less then one dollar per day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:percentage_population_living_on_less_than_1_dollar_day.png

Data source:
Data source: World Resources Institute. 2006. Available at http://earthtrends.wri.org
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Playing numbers game is a fun one! But get this. . . We make an HD Radio that here in the US sells for $199. Guess what! We might sell it in Phillipines for $50. Why? Cost. It costs me less money to market, sell, meet governmental standards, slaries, electricity, shipping costs, taxes and other assiciated costs there than it does here.

Sure I could sell you a cheaper radio, but then how do I feed my family? DO YOU WANT TO PAY LESS FOR A RADIO AND SOLVE MY POVERTY PROBLEM THROUGH HIGHER TAXES?? If so I might consider that.
 
MasterTheseus said:
Playing numbers game is a fun one! But get this. . . We make an HD Radio that here in the US sells for $199. Guess what! We might sell it in Phillipines for $50. Why? Cost. It costs me less money to market, sell, meet governmental standards, slaries, electricity, shipping costs, taxes and other assiciated costs there than it does here.

Sure I could sell you a cheaper radio, but then how do I feed my family? DO YOU WANT TO PAY LESS FOR A RADIO AND SOLVE MY POVERTY PROBLEM THROUGH HIGHER TAXES?? If so I might consider that.
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Just for fun, look at the online real estate listings for Forbes Park in suburban Manila. Let me know if you find any homes under $3 million, US.
 
MasterTheseus said:
SUPERCASTER said:
So, Eduardo is saying that the many millions of people risking their lives to come to the USA by land, sea and air are attracted to hunger and poverty here and not escaping hunger and poverty there?

Why would they abandon the lush life you describe in their homelands, to come here?

Just to listen to HD radio?

Eduardo, your posts here are bogus.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/bogus

Map of percentage of people living on less then one dollar per day:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:percentage_population_living_on_less_than_1_dollar_day.png

Data source:
Data source: World Resources Institute. 2006. Available at http://earthtrends.wri.org
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Playing numbers game is a fun one! But get this. . . We make an HD Radio that here in the US sells for $199. Guess what! We might sell it in Phillipines for $50. Why? Cost. It costs me less money to market, sell, meet governmental standards, slaries, electricity, shipping costs, taxes and other assiciated costs there than it does here.

Sure I could sell you a cheaper radio, but then how do I feed my family? DO YOU WANT TO PAY LESS FOR A RADIO AND SOLVE MY POVERTY PROBLEM THROUGH HIGHER TAXES?? If so I might consider that.
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Widespread acceptance of HD radio in predominantly poor countries has much less chance of rapid popularity then in more prosperous countries such as the USA. HD radio has not been popular here.

I said nothing about making cheaper radios for poor countries or your personal problems and pet peeves.
 
Sorry to bump in here, but...

The anti-HD radio people here seem to love feasting on this stuff. The fact of the matter is, HD Radio stations began test broadcasts here in the US around 2000-2001, IIRC. HD radio is gaining a little popularity, but it still has a way to go. Same is true with the Phillipines. I don't think radio stations are expecting rural people in that country to buy HD radios, much like they don't here...how many small town stations in the country are running HD radio? A handful at best.

I'm not pro HD radio (I think the US should have gone with Eureka 147 like the UK), but simply bashing it because it's in a technological infancy and it's lack of listenership seems to be like saying "Televisions suck!!! Nobody will watch them, the broadcast range is too small, the sound quality is poor, and the receivers are too darned expensive!" 60 years ago...

Radio-X
 
radiodxrichmond said:
Sorry to bump in here, but...

The anti-HD radio people here seem to love feasting on this stuff. The fact of the matter is, HD Radio stations began test broadcasts here in the US around 2000-2001, IIRC. HD radio is gaining a little popularity, but it still has a way to go. Same is true with the Phillipines. I don't think radio stations are expecting rural people in that country to buy HD radios, much like they don't here...how many small town stations in the country are running HD radio? A handful at best.

I'm not pro HD radio (I think the US should have gone with Eureka 147 like the UK), but simply bashing it because it's in a technological infancy and it's lack of listenership seems to be like saying "Televisions suck!!! Nobody will watch them, the broadcast range is too small, the sound quality is poor, and the receivers are too darned expensive!" 60 years ago...

Radio-X
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60 years ago people didn't have the internet or anything similar to it to complain and contest as we do today, the mere fact that radio stations and any format back then was 'take it' or change the dial.

HD is going nowhere and it's not the anit-HD crowd wanting it, it's what they are observing at the stores, radio station programming, the 'other' technology and where they are headed compared to HD, etc.

Have YOU tried going into a store to view, listen, buy an HD radio? I bet if you did you would not like the results, and have you asked local people about what they think about HD radio without running the same 'Ibiquity lines' such as 'no subscription costs' or 'stations within stations' and 'CD quality on FM and FM quality on AM', which we all know is false!

So before anyone judges anyone here read prior posts first to understand the anti-HD crowd didn't come on the scene just yesterday.

Radiopilot
 
radiodxrichmond said:
Sorry to bump in here, but...

The anti-HD radio people here seem to love feasting on this stuff. The fact of the matter is, HD Radio stations began test broadcasts here in the US around 2000-2001, IIRC. HD radio is gaining a little popularity, but it still has a way to go. Same is true with the Phillipines. I don't think radio stations are expecting rural people in that country to buy HD radios, much like they don't here...how many small town stations in the country are running HD radio? A handful at best.

I'm not pro HD radio (I think the US should have gone with Eureka 147 like the UK), but simply bashing it because it's in a technological infancy and it's lack of listenership seems to be like saying "Televisions suck!!! Nobody will watch them, the broadcast range is too small, the sound quality is poor, and the receivers are too darned expensive!" 60 years ago...

Radio-X
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You make some pretty good points here. HD Radio is still a young technology with a lot of bugs. Takes time to iron these things out.

Take regular FM radio for example. Often we take it for granted. But FM entered the marketplace around 1940. The stations were located farther down the spectrum (42-50MHz). After the war, the spectrum moved up to 88-108, making the few old radios out there paperweights and museum pieces in waiting. People didn't start listening to FM in noticeable numbers until the 1960s, when formats like elevator music and freeform rock started attracting listeners. Car manufacturers didn't really start putting FM in cars until the following decade, once station engineers figured out how to make it possible for people to listen to FM in moving vehicles (circular polarization). FM didn't overtake AM in total national listenership until roughly 1978 or so. That's 38 years since FM became available to the public.

Another example is satellite radio. How long did it take for that to get off the ground?

Is HD Radio the be-all, end-all? No. Has it had a flawless launch? Absolutely not. They screwed up royally by not having enough product in the marketplace, not striking deals with car manufacturers, not making the kinds of radios people wanted (automobile and portables, not tabletops), not making it easier for people to listen, and for not having retail salespeople who were knowledgeable about the product.

As for an overall product, HD Radio has potential. The technology is not completely there yet. But as with all new entries, the stuff will improve day by day. I really don't understand the vitrol of many of the extreme HD Radio critics out there. Are they afraid of technology? Do they worship at the altar of satellite radio? Are they just plain miserable and negative about life in general? Are they just plain cranky? I don't know, but if we don't at least acknowledge the rapid pace of technology, it will just run us all over.

Quite frankly, I'm interested in seeing where this HD Radio thing is headed. There is potential. I do know for sure that it won't be going away anytime soon. Way too much money and work tied up in it. Heck, some of the cranks here could march all day outside iBiquity's headquarters with picket signs, and nobody will really care. Anyone who thinks they can single-handedly stop progress is living in a dream world.
 
FightingIrish said:
Another example is satellite radio. How long did it take for that to get off the ground?
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After 6 years, the two companies in satellite lost together $1.5 billion dollars for 2006. It still has not happenend.
 
FightingIrish wrote: "...I really don't understand the vitrol of many of the extreme HD Radio critics out there. Are they afraid of technology? Do they worship at the altar of satellite radio? Are they just plain miserable and negative about life in general? Are they just plain cranky? I don't know, but if we don't at least acknowledge the rapid pace of technology, it will just run us all over..."

Not afraid of technology. Most of us actually embrace new technologies.

We don't worship satellite radio. It's much too expensive to operate. Long term, it's probably a loser.

I'm extremely positive about life and the future of "radio" in general, but not radio as it has been delivered up until now.

The rapid pace of new technology has already run over HD radio and squashed it in the middle of the consumer roadway. HD radio to radio is like the cassette industry's rollout of DCC digital compact cassettes in the early 1990s. It was an improvement in cassette technology that nobody wanted. Only those people in the cassette business wanted it. And I'm sure they had their own naysayers too. The fact that HD radio has numerous technical short-comings makes it even more laughable.

So what's the medium of the future? You're using it right now. And if you're not already doing it wirelessly, at extremely high speeds, you will soon. Count on it.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/07/01/100117043/index.htm
 
vsa said:
FightingIrish wrote: "...I really don't understand the vitrol of many of the extreme HD Radio critics out there. Are they afraid of technology? Do they worship at the altar of satellite radio? Are they just plain miserable and negative about life in general? Are they just plain cranky? I don't know, but if we don't at least acknowledge the rapid pace of technology, it will just run us all over..."

Not afraid of technology. Most of us actually embrace new technologies.

We don't worship satellite radio. It's much too expensive to operate. Long term, it's probably a loser.

I'm extremely positive about life and the future of "radio" in general, but not radio as it has been delivered up until now.

The rapid pace of new technology has already run over HD radio and squashed it in the middle of the consumer roadway. HD radio to radio is like the cassette industry's rollout of DCC digital compact cassettes in the early 1990s. It was an improvement in cassette technology that nobody wanted. Only those people in the cassette business wanted it. And I'm sure they had their own naysayers too. The fact that HD radio has numerous technical short-comings makes it even more laughable.

So what's the medium of the future? You're using it right now. And if you're not already doing it wirelessly, at extremely high speeds, you will soon. Count on it.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2007/07/01/100117043/index.htm
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In a similar vain, the CEO of Research in Motion was praising the iPhone because it raised, in a dramatic way, public awareness and desire for smartphones. As such, we should expect to see a plethora of smartphones coming out that are cheaper than the iPhone, faster and with software just as good as the stripped down version of OS X that is in the Apple device. Opera already has a full-featured browser for smartphones that is supposed to be very good. And, of course, the iPhone itself will be getting more affordable (a $299.00 version is due out next year) and faster.

http://www.teleclick.ca/2007/07/res...ks-iphone-for-boosting-smartphone-popularity/

So these are exciting times for radio. Now if we can just SoundExchange/DiMA or Congress to give us a workable solution on royalities, accounting procedures and DRM...

db
 
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