where is the 70s punk, the 80s modern, the 90s grunge, the 00s cutting edge, the once great morning show?. after 16 years, this once alternative leader turned into a watered down joke, a poor excuse for any type alt signal. they should take a good look at the new alternative revamped stations like in frisco, atlanta, etc and get the heck out of the doldrums.
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The signal is too massive for that type of esoteric format. That kind of variety only works on pea shooters outside of major markets.
Maybe it’s right where the listeners tell them it should be.
this post goes in circles you post the same thing over and over about how you don’t like alt 104.5 don’t listen if it doesn’t appeal to to you’re music tastes
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Well Live 105 in San Francisco hasn't even re-launched yet. And 99X is exclusively classic.
As for the 70s punk, 80s modern, and 90s grunge, a large portion of the target demographic is too young for that and doesn't want it. 00's cutting edge... really not sure which subset of alt you're referring to there as the format keeps splintering and splintering more.
Alt's ratings aren't great at all right now. If they opened up the playlist and played all that too, they'd be even worse.
And both of those have a heritage to connect to that is deeper than even “Radio 104.5.”
Maybe, and it’s a big maybe, a case could be made if Y-100 relaunched as a classic alternative type station, though even they weren’t around for the kind of time that makes such a venture a better gamble. Still a gamble, as we have yet to see long term results, but it’s not hard to understand why those shots are being taken.
And even if they did, the biggest show on that station is over at WMMR. Good luck with that.
Maybe, and it’s a big maybe, a case could be made if Y-100 relaunched as a classic alternative type station, though even they weren’t around for the kind of time that makes such a venture a better gamble. Still a gamble, as we have yet to see long term results, but it’s not hard to understand why those shots are being taken.
And even if they did, the biggest show on that station is over at WMMR. Good luck with that.
Personally, I would LOVE to see this. I figure a Y100 focusing on Classic Alt could pull from WMMR and Ben FM, slightly from WMGK, and Alt 104.5. Hell, even scrape a little from WOGL. It could cobble together some respectable numbers. But would it bill any better?
This is part of the problem now with music, in that there are so many sub-genres, each appealing to a small group of people, and that model doesn't work for ad-supported radio. The problem being there are not enough radio stations in every market to handle all of the sub-genres of every style of music. That's best accomplished on either satellite or streaming, and then you sell the aggregate audience to advertisers. Taking a little from MMR or MGK makes those stations vulnerable. They're already cutting expenses because of the advertiser depression. Imagine what happens if they lose a share. Consensus is what makes the ad model work. If you don't have that, then the whole house of cards falls, and you're selling to EMF.
Greetings from San Francisco! Live 105 ended up being a lot less classic focused, unlike WNNX Atlanta. It’s more of a standard Audacy alternative with some local historical focus.
Back in the 2000’s, I spent about a decade in Philly. Radio 104.5 was fantastic back then. It’s sad to see what it’s come to be. I do think alternative as a format is in a struggle, WMMR has the name right now to be the largest major market “active rock” that plays both new hard rock and classics. That’s already competing against WRFF.
As for a Y100 reboot, it’ll be a hard one. If you throw WNNX in this market, either WRFF or it would survive. I don’t know if classic alternative is a nationwide winner, nobody else is trying it right now.
Problem with relaunching y100 is having a morning show the listeners could identify with and that morning show is Preston and Steve and you know they aren’t leaving 93.3 WMMR not unless Beasley bought 100.3 and moved Preston and Steve back to 100.3 and bringing in a new morning. Show @WMMR but do you really wanna ruin. A good thing I don’t think so
Live 105 in San Fran relaunched and I’ve been listening since yesterday. Reminds me of the older days of Radio 104.5 and Y-100. They’re currently playing Hurt by Johnny Cash. Oh, not one play of Kate Bush so far! I did notice that they selected John Allers, former PD at radio 104.5 to program Live105. Audacy is cleaning up IHearts loss.
May I recommend WZML 92.9? It's an LPFM outside of Philly that airs exactly the sort of thing OP is talking about, plus plenty of new indie rock/pop.
I also wanted to add that, I have indeed noticed WRFF has been worse than I remember, in terms of selection. I remember Radio 104.5 circa 2016-2018 and even though it mostly aired RHCP like ten times an hour, I usually had no problem with it. But regardless, it's really never been an alternative station, it's top 40 alternative.
That's what radio does. It plays the hits. You have to ask what is the basis one uses for deciding what to play. Most radio stations have research, or input from record labels. In the alternative format, the record labels don't actively promote their music. So the radio stations only have the alternative streaming charts as a basis for what to play. Thus, it becomes Top 40 alternative. Without that, all they have is subjective opinion. That's what we often hear in this discussion, that there are so many "better songs" they could be playing. But what is that based on? Subjective personal opinion.
if they add the ramones, pistols, screaming trees and the flys let me know they will definitely be a listen....
That's a different genre.
Looking at 104.5’s recently played right now, generally seems good. What’s the disdain out of curiosity? Alternative rating and billing low end of a market? That’s pretty normal.
Only rock formats that do well are active/modern or classic rock. WMMR is an absolute gift in a huge market like Philly!
Only rock formats that do well are active/modern or classic rock. WMMR is an absolute gift in a huge market like Philly!
Yet iHeart does very good research, and that is what they found the largest subset of alternative listeners in Indianapolis to like.
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