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Flip an oldies station to ? comments welcome

ABBA –SOS (last tune before “Flip”)
1)Rhianna – SOS
2)Chamillionaire – Ridin
3)Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven
4)Beatles – Hey Jude
5)Spice Girls – Wannabe
6)Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun
7)Five Satins – In the Still of the Night
8)Outkast – Hey Ya
9)Three Dog Night – An Old Fashioned Love Song
10)Nelly Furtado – Promiscuous
11) Chubby checker- The Twist
12)Stones – Satifaction
13)Madonna – Sorry
14)Madonna- Holiday
15)Diana Ross- Ain’t No Mountain High Enough
16)Grease Megamix
17)Elivis –Don’t Be Cruel
18)Doors- Light My Fire
19)Moody Blues- Nights in White Satin
20)Beegees- Staying Alive
21)Prince -1999
22)Michael Jackson – Billie Jean
23)Alanis Morrisette- You Oughta Know
24)Aerosmith- Walk This Way
25) Run DMC with Aerosmith – Walk This Way
26)Run DMC- Rock Box
27)Hugh Masekela – Grazing in the Grass
28)KC and the sunshine Band – Get Down Tonight
29)Eminem – Lose Yourself
30)Stevie Wonder – Fingertips
31) Leann Rhimes- Can’t Fight the Moonlight
32) Richard Harris – Macarthur Park
33) Donna summer- MacArthur Park
34) Penguins – Earth Angel
35) Shakira- Hips Don’t Lie
36) Smash Mouth- Can’t Get Enough of you Baby
37) Mariah Carey – We Belong Together
38) Stones – Miss You
39) Paula Cole – I don’t Want to Wait
40) Vanessa Carlton – A Thousand Miles
41) Yes- Roundabout
42) Kelly Clarkson – Behind Those Hazel Eyes
43) Kelly Clarkson – Walk Away
44) Abba – Dancing Queen
45) Stars on 45 Beatles medley (LP Version) – Stars on 45
46) Taylor Hicks – Do I Make You Proud
47) Katherine McPhee – Somewhere Over The Rainbow
48) Lynard Skynard – Freebird
49) Guns n Roses – November Rain
50) Guns n Roses- Sweet Child of mine
51) Archies- Sugar Sugar
52) Bruce Springsteen –Born to Run
53) Zombies – Time of the Season
54) Dee- Lite –Groove is in the Heart
55) Petula Clark – Down town
56) Beatles- Get Back
57) Beatles- I Wanna Hold Your Hand
58) Gilbert O’Sullivan – Alone Again (Naturally)
59) Britney Spears- You Drive Me Crazy (Stop remix)
60) Christina Aguilera – Ain’t No Other Man
61) Beach Boys- Wouldn’t It Be Nice
62) Lovin Spoonful – Summer in the City
63) Herb Albert- This Guy’s In Love With You
64) Meatloaf- Paradise by the Dashboard Light
65) Rasberries – Go All The Way
66) Flamingos –I Only Have Eyes for you
67) Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mel – The Message
68) Cathy Dennis- Touch Me (All night long)
69) En Vogue – My Lovin (You’re Never Gonna Get It)
70) Elton John – Saturday Night’s All Right for Fighting
71) Little Eva- Locomotion
72) Grand Funk – Locomotion
73) Kylie Minogue – Locomotion
74) Backstreet Boys – Incomplete
75) Ray Goodman and Brown – Special Lady
76) Earth wind and Fire – Fantasy
77) Next –Too Close
78) Kurtis Blow – Christmas Rapping
79) Blondie – Rapture
80) Blondie – One Way or Another
81) Mandy Moore – One Way or Another
82) Cardigans – Lovefool
83) Nelly Furtado – Maneater
84) Pussycat Dolls with Snoop Dogg – Buttonz
85) Mamas and Papas – California Dreaming
86) America – A Horse With No Name
87) Don McClain – American Pie
88) Three Dog night- Mama Told Me Not to come
89) Bobby Darin – Mack the Knife
90) Four Seasons – December 1963 (O What a Night ) ( remix)
91) Machine –There But for the Grace of God Go I
92) J Geils Band – Flamethrower
93) Mariah Carey – Fantasy
94) Tom Tom Club – Genius of Love
95) Wild cherry – Play that Funky Music
96) U2 – I still have’t found what Im looking for
97) Tears for Fears – Shout
98) Strawberry Alarm clock – Incense and Peppermints
99) Jefferson Airplane – White Rabbit
100) Starship – WE Built This city
101) Roy Orbison – Pretty Woman
102) Chic – Good times
103) Sugarhill Gang – Rapper’s Delight
 
Maybe drugs did help programmers program better at one point , but it certainly did not help this list.
 
OK, I fear I may regret this, but I'll bite. When I first read this my brain popped off its stem & I passed out for a few seconds. However, now that I've read it three or four times I'm able to handle the trauma and make a comment.

First, I'm assuming, based on the amount of time it took you to type in the list, that you're serious.

That list of music has such a broad appeal that your TSL would be the length of one song. Average, let's say for argument sake, 3:30 (three minutes & thrity seconds). You'd need to pick a direction, whether it be CHR, Classic Rock or Oldies and stick to that. Obviously Oldies is out as you're hoping to change an Oldies format to the ATTAP ("All Things to All People") direction as shown in the playlist.

You may remember that Buckley (owners of WOR & WDRC) tried something similar on their AM terrestrial network with very limited success. It was too much and they couldn't keep listeners, espcially those who were blind sided by something like a Johnny Mathis to Michael Jackson segue. Even when separated by a programming element, I.E., jingle, liner or some sort of seg assist, people couldn't get to their preset buttons fast enough. Finally they got tired of hurting their fingers and never looked back.

Long and short of it "ChitChat", this wouldn't fly. Pick a demo, focus on their taste & needs as listeners and program it from there ...

560-
 
It seems to me this type of mix made WABC New York one of the most popular stations of all time. Frank Sinatra to Strawberry Alarm Clock to Barry Sadler to Steppenwolf. It happened all the time in those days. Why not now? Yes, I know society and radio have changed, but I would love to listen to a station with a _real_ mix of songs, not the narrow playlists from all the Mike or Jack stations.

Paul
 
PaulRAnderson said:
It seems to me this type of mix made WABC New York one of the most popular stations of all time. Frank Sinatra to Strawberry Alarm Clock to Barry Sadler to Steppenwolf. It happened all the time in those days. Why not now? Yes, I know society and radio have changed, but I would love to listen to a station with a _real_ mix of songs, not the narrow playlists from all the Mike or Jack stations.

Paul
Thanks! someone who seems to be on the same level. Why not an all things to all people station? Things I kinda dug in that initial list included a few double shots, two (and in one case three) versions of the same song,and in a few instances a hip hop track preceded or followed by the track that it sampled. say Mariah Carey's Fantasy INTO Genious of Love or Next's Too Close into Kurtis Blow's Christmas Rapping ( a RARE instance where a vocal song took a sample from a rap record)

BTW I never did work in radio. :(
 
I think it was the great Ricky Nelson that once sang, "You can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself", but commercial radio isn't in the business pleasing everyone or yourself (which maybe why you never hear Ricky on the radio much anymore). They are in the business of carving out a little niche and draining every last dollar out of it they can. Every playing the wrong version of "All Along The Watchtower" can cost you thousands of ears.
 
This is my favorite "set" from the above list:

29)Eminem – Lose Yourself
30)Stevie Wonder – Fingertips
31) Leann Rhimes- Can’t Fight the Moonlight
32) Richard Harris – Macarthur Park
33) Donna summer- MacArthur Park
34) Penguins – Earth Angel
35) Shakira- Hips Don’t Lie

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I remember Buckley's "Best of Everything" format, as well as WDRC-FM's "Big Hits" experiment (Think Everly Brothers into ELO into Jeannie C. Riley.). Neither was as "out there" as this seven-song stretch is.

Does ANYONE really enjoy Eminem, Richard Harris, Leann Rimes and the Penguins???
 
chitchatjf said:
ABBA –SOS (last tune before “Flip”)
1)Rhianna – SOS
2)Chamillionaire – Ridin
3)Led Zeppelin – Stairway to Heaven
4)Beatles – Hey Jude
5)Spice Girls – Wannabe
6)Cyndi Lauper – Girls Just Want to Have Fun
7)Five Satins – In the Still of the Night
8)Outkast – Hey Ya
9)Three Dog Night – An Old Fashioned Love Song
10)Nelly Furtado – Promiscuous
11)Chubby Checker - The Twist
12)Stones – Satifaction...

This is the kind of diversity you can find if you listen to THE COCKROACH!

Hey, if Aerosmith and Run-DMC can coexist for one song, who says they can't jam together on a playlist?
 
Nearly 20 years in radio here, mostly in small & medium markets.
Just wanted to put the credentials out there before I piss off my
fellow broadcasters.

I want to play devil's advocate for a bit.

Five years ago, I would have echoed the exact same sentiments
expressed by the other broadcasters on this thread.

I would have advised Chitchat that his/her proposed playlist is
FAR too AOR ("All Over the Road," not the other AOR...lol) to
ever be seriously considered.

But five years ago I was thinking like a radio guy, not like a
listener.

Hell, I don't think I can REALLY think like a listener now...but with
the changing landscape of our industry, it's obvious we've got to
change SOMETHING about our thinking.

Why does it matter that Chitchat has never worked in radio?
If he's not IN radio, then hopefully he's a radio LISTENER.

Yet, we just told our listener that his eclectic taste in music
sucks...because it doesn't have 'flow,' or it's too all-over-the-
road, or because those segs would be train wrecks...in our
opinion as people who can no longer really relate to what it's
like to listen to the radio as a listener, because we're too
busy thinking like we did 5 and 10 and 15 years ago.

I think it's great that a listener (or potential listener) would
come here and post something like this. Rather than trash
his list, why wouldn't we look at it...absorb it...ask him
questions about it...about him...about his lifestyle?

Would I want to play his list as-is? No. But then again, I know
I think like an old-school radio guy.

Do I think if you dropped a half-dozen or so select titles from
his list that it could actually be viable? Certainly, if that's
what THAT particular market needed. It might not work in
Fargo, but it could be a powerhouse in Tupelo.

With not-as-much tweaking as we might think, Chitchat's
list isn't so far-fetched.

Ten years ago, we would have laughed at the idea of Jack.

Sure, you could point to plenty of markets where Jack is in
the middle of the ratings pack. But, by and large, those
markets are where the Jack clones are, not the original
Jacks which did extraordinarily well (that's why they were
cloned). Jack in Louisville shouldn't be the same as Jack
in Jacksonville (couldn't resist...lol). There's a reason
Jack has been cloned (and copy-catted by the likes of
Doug, Sam, Bob, etc.).

I think we have a lot more to learn from Chitchat than
he has to learn from us.

Now, flame away.
 
Just goes to show the problem with radio today.

Too much fragmentation. There are so many different "Types" of "top 40" and no one gets to hear anything from the "Other" lists.

In the late 70s there were many folks who had a bunch of hard rock albums AND the SAturday night fever soundtrack.

Folks want REAL VARIETY not just a few different sub styles of the same4 style.
 
paul42141 said:
Nearly 20 years in radio here, mostly in small & medium markets.
Just wanted to put the credentials out there before I piss off my
fellow broadcasters.

I want to play devil's advocate for a bit.

Five years ago, I would have echoed the exact same sentiments
expressed by the other broadcasters on this thread.

I would have advised Chitchat that his/her proposed playlist is
FAR too AOR ("All Over the Road," not the other AOR...lol) to
ever be seriously considered.

But five years ago I was thinking like a radio guy, not like a
listener.

Hell, I don't think I can REALLY think like a listener now...but with
the changing landscape of our industry, it's obvious we've got to
change SOMETHING about our thinking.

Why does it matter that Chitchat has never worked in radio?
If he's not IN radio, then hopefully he's a radio LISTENER.

Yet, we just told our listener that his eclectic taste in music
sucks...because it doesn't have 'flow,' or it's too all-over-the-
road, or because those segs would be train wrecks...in our
opinion as people who can no longer really relate to what it's
like to listen to the radio as a listener, because we're too
busy thinking like we did 5 and 10 and 15 years ago.

I think it's great that a listener (or potential listener) would
come here and post something like this. Rather than trash
his list, why wouldn't we look at it...absorb it...ask him
questions about it...about him...about his lifestyle?

Would I want to play his list as-is? No. But then again, I know
I think like an old-school radio guy.

Do I think if you dropped a half-dozen or so select titles from
his list that it could actually be viable? Certainly, if that's
what THAT particular market needed. It might not work in
Fargo, but it could be a powerhouse in Tupelo.

With not-as-much tweaking as we might think, Chitchat's
list isn't so far-fetched.

Ten years ago, we would have laughed at the idea of Jack.

Sure, you could point to plenty of markets where Jack is in
the middle of the ratings pack. But, by and large, those
markets are where the Jack clones are, not the original
Jacks which did extraordinarily well (that's why they were
cloned). Jack in Louisville shouldn't be the same as Jack
in Jacksonville (couldn't resist...lol). There's a reason
Jack has been cloned (and copy-catted by the likes of
Doug, Sam, Bob, etc.).

I think we have a lot more to learn from Chitchat than
he has to learn from us.

Now, flame away.

No flaming here! You are absolutly correct. One of the things I loved about growing up listening to Kiss 108 in the mid 80's, and about Top 40 in general was that it was so diverse. But by the late 80s and throughout the 90's, that went a way. Top 40 became two formats: Modern, and RAP. The reason I listen to the radio is because I don't like to listen to one type of music in particular, rather, what the majority is listening to. I hate listening to albums becuase by and large, its the same artists playing the same music. But now radio has gone very much in that direction. But I get bored listening to just rap or just dance or just alternative.

That's why I listen to my Ipod on shuffle. 8 to 12 hours of music in no partiular order. And if you took an audit of my Ipod playlist, it would look very much like the playlist of a JACK FM. That's not to say that I agree with the way JACK is programmed. JACK is an answer to the Top 40 fragmentation problem in most markets, imho.
 
Some of the best "oldies" I've heard recently were at the local supermarket! :eek:

I'm not sure what type of music service Hannaford Brothers (in Maine) is using, but I hadn't heard some of the Phil Spector groups, Elton John, Beatles and Elvis tunes in ages! 8)

And a side note to Lucy Lu...

The Rick Nelson tune you were referencing earlier is called "GARDEN PARTY"---part of the lyrics go like this:

"...yes it's all right now, I've learned my lesson well...you see you can't please everyone so you've got to please yourself..."

argytunes
 
First, let me say I am an old-fart myself and like older music, but what the heck is YOUR PRIME DEMO???? or are you in a market where ratings don't matter?

Consider this...many of the songs you list were recorded and hits in the late 50's and very early 60's. When they were a hit, the average 14 year old in now hitting 60 years old. So why are you playing songs that appeal mostly to an audience TOO OLD TO BE A WEIGHT IN THE RATINGS?

The big $$$$$$ is in 25-54 year olds.....REMEMBER THAT when programming anything!

Hell, I am one of those rare people that loved glen miller and big band....but why do you think we don't have a big band station in each major market? BECAUSE MOST OF THE LISTENERS ARE DEAD!
 
Take a closer look at the list. Most tunes came out in the 70s and 80s. I tossed in some older tunes because they are GOOD and deserve to get played back to back with recents and currents.
 
The comments of Lucy in reply #7 and Ruger in #15 painfully explain what's wrong with radio today. I'm not disagreeing one bit with you. It doesn't , however, mean I like it.

Radio needs to stop overthinking the playing of 400 songs, and get back to being personal. Maybe our "consultants" need to be replaced with more time listening to, oh my God, dare I say it???...LISTENERS. I want to start a new movement, "
STOP MUSIC TESTING ON HUMANS! No humans were harmed in the selection of our playlist."
 
amfmsw said:
Radio needs to stop overthinking the playing of 400 songs, and get back to being personal. Maybe our "consultants" need to be replaced with more time listening to, oh my God, dare I say it???...LISTENERS.

What the heck do you think consultants do? Pick the playlist themselves?

What they really do is assist a local station, often with a PD with vastly less experience, in understanding how to desing a research project...

(we interrupt this message to mention that "research" is just a term that means "finding out what your customers want")

... how to interpret the results and implement them, how to modify clocks and categories if needed, as well as helping with promotion, imaging, and finding qualified staff via networking among markets. Often, a consultant's biggest boon to a station is knowing of talent in smaller markets or lesser dayparts that can be attracted to a client station.

Again, if a station plays 400 songs (most play less, in fact) it is because the listeners in that market to that kind of format determined that there were no more songs that were acceptable to the broad listener base of the station. And "broad" is the keyword, since we are "broad"casting, not narrowcasting or designing a list for one person's iPod.

And companies that are big enough not to hire outside consultants have in-house format experts and group programmers who similarly work to train, support and help the local stations and PDs.
 
Personally...I think most "consultants" should be placed in a large pile...and torched! ::)

You can give consultants CREDIT or THE BLAME for the way many radio stations sound the way they do!

The liner card concept...the 50 song playlist...the "say what you have to in 10 seconds or less"---were all devised by a consultant.

There's nothing wrong with being slick or sounding tight...UNTIL your station starts sounding like everybody elses! Once that happens the frequency and call letters DON'T MATTER!

The listeners have left the building...............err.......the radio station! :eek:

argytunes
 
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