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FM Bandscan in Edmonds, WA 6/27/12

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crainbebo

Spent some time out of this BEAUTIFUL day to go to Edmonds. Brought my Grundig G5, and attached another eight or nine feet of wire to the whip antenna. Here's the results.

88.1 CBU-2 Vancouver, BC/KWAO Ocean Park
88.3
88.5 KPLU Tacoma
88.7
88.9 CBUX-FM1 Victoria
89.1 Two Calvary Chapel's mixing with echo
89.3 likely KVIX Port Angeles
89.5 KNHC Seattle
89.7 KMWS Mount Vernon/CJSU Duncan, BC
89.9 MYSTERY: UNID station with Adult Hits, i.e. Fine Young Cannibals "Good Thing". WHO is this? Someone in BC?
Also caught KGRG Auburn, and the dead air of KASB Bellevue.
90.1 KNWP Port Angeles
90.3 KEXP Seattle
90.5 CBCV Victoria
90.7 KSER Everett
90.9 KVTI Tacoma
91.1 KROH Port Townsend
91.3 KBCS Bellevue/CJZN Victoria
91.5 KSQM Sequim
91.7 KXOT Tacoma strong. Maybe KSVR in background
91.9 KPTZ Port Townsend
92.1 CBU-FM1 Victoria/Saltspring Island
92.3
92.5 KQMV Bellevue
92.7
92.9 KISM Bellingham
93.1
93.3 KUBE Seattle
93.5
93.7 KANY Ocean Shores STRONGER than CJJR Vancouver overall! Both mixing
93.9
94.1 KMPS Seattle
94.3
94.5 CFBT Vancouver/KRXY Shelton
94.7
94.9 KUOW Seattle
95.1
95.3 CKZZ Vancouver
95.5
95.7 KJR Seattle
95.9
96.1 KXXO Olympia/CHKG Vancouver
96.3
96.5 KJAQ Seattle
96.7
96.9 KGY McCleary/CKLG Vancouver
97.1
97.3 KIRO Tacoma
97.5
97.7 KOMO Oakville [KOMO too strong for CBUF]
97.9
98.1 KING Seattle
98.3
98.5 CIOC Victoria
98.7
98.9 KLCK Seattle
99.1
99.3 KDDS Elma [too strong for CFOX]
99.5 (Bongwater, are you listening?) YET AGAIN, I got CBCV-FM1 Metchosin, BC. 64w at 65.75-66 miles. Still can't believe how far this thing will go. Last time I had CBCV-FM1, it was in East Marysville [about 68 mi].
99.7 CBUF-FM9 Victoria [1200w]
99.9 KISW Seattle
100.1
100.3 CKKQ Victoria
100.5 [CKKQ so strong, not even CKPK made it in]
100.7 KKWF Seattle
100.9
101.1 CFMI New Westminster, BC
101.3
101.5 KPLZ Seattle
101.7 CHLY Nanaimo, BC [117 mi up the Strait of Georgia]
101.9 KINK Portland, OR [160 mi S]. Others, likely CFUV and CITR, but didn't ID them.
102.1 KSWW Montesano/KPQ Wenatchee [98 mi away] and the KBRC xlator in Camano Island. It sounds like the 8khz telephone quality is gone, or was the high-fidelity classic hits just KPQ?
102.3 [nothing, was trying for CKWV or the CSN in Sequim]
102.5 KZOK Seattle
102.7 [no CFRO, too much IBOC crud]
102.9 KNBQ Centralia
103.1 CHTT Victoria
103.3 K277AE Downtown Seattle [KMTT]
103.5 CHQM Vancouver
103.7 KMTT Tacoma
103.9
104.1 KAFE Bellingham [probably one of the strongest stations on the dial]
104.3 CHHR Vancouver
104.5 KMCQ Covington
104.7 KDUX Aberdeen
104.9 KKBW Eatonville/Sonic Vancouver
105.1
105.3 KCMS Edmonds
105.5 K288GG Mount Vernon [the new KPLU xlator]
105.7 CBU Vancouver
105.9
106.1 KBKS Tacoma
106.3 [too much KWPZ for CKAV-FM2]
106.5 KWPZ Lynden
106.7
106.9 KRWM Bremerton
107.1
107.3 CHBE Victoria
107.5
107.7 KNDD Seattle
107.9

-crainbebo
 
Yes, KBRC FINALLY got their FM translator fixed. And it's in stereo too.

CBCV-FM1 is really spotty in Bellingham. Hills get it better, but downtown is just hash from CFOX and CBUF-FM9. Mount Vernon can't get it at all. It just flies over Mount Vernon and reappears south I guess.

CFUV is the usual on 101.9 down there (CITR isn't strong enough there), but KINK is a regular visitor.

I take it KJR-FM no longer has their 103.3 translator in Edmonds.

KXIR, Freeland is supposed to take over 89.9 any day now. When it does, sister station KSER is supposed to go all public news/talk and the music programming moved to KXIR.........
 
KJR has no translator anywhere anymore. I did hear an Albertson's ad around 4PM today on 101.9 which had to be KINK.

Again, KXIR should be the very top of the FM sardine can. This in and out noisy interference in NW WA and Vancouver Island has to STOP. Now.

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
KJR has no translator anywhere anymore. I did hear an Albertson's ad around 4PM today on 101.9 which had to be KINK.

Again, KXIR should be the very top of the FM sardine can. This in and out noisy interference in NW WA and Vancouver Island has to STOP. Now.

-crainbebo
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Well, FM has gotten so bad out here that whatever benefit FM has as a band is disintegrating. We're now WORSE than New York City. With nowhere near as many people listening. Even 20 years ago, there were big gaps on the dial and sparkling clean reception of anybody anywhere. Now there's intolerable noise and interference on the mere outskirts of the 60 dB contour

The good news is KWPA will not be moving to 94.5 and will remain an online operation. I think they know now this just isn't going to work. 6,000 watts with nobody on that frequency could get out a long way. But with CFBT, KRXY, various Seattle translators, et al on the frequency, it's just not worth it. At all.

I do think it's time to revisit the translator rules. It's a disaster. We have online/mobile streaming now and broadband internet access alone is far cheaper now than even basic cable. Stations can survive without them. But barring severe terrestrial/broadband access hardship cases, I do think the very concept of FM translators themselves is outdated.
 
Bongwater said:
I do think it's time to revisit the translator rules. It's a disaster. We have online/mobile streaming now and broadband internet access alone is far cheaper now than even basic cable. Stations can survive without them. But barring severe terrestrial/broadband access hardship cases, I do think the very concept of FM translators themselves is outdated.
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That addressees the demand side...but the supply side (stations) the cost of streaming is still a head-scratcher when it comes to making it pencil out thanks to various music rights, etc. It is frustrating that there is no game plan that would make everyone happy ... seems we just keep resolving the pay-to-play issue at the hands of the lawyers who claim to represent the "artists" (but don't).
 
About streaming, something should be done. Why does nothing in Pullman WA stream? It wouldn't be the top of my list either in that market, but I would try and get some streaming over there during the summer. When I was over there a few years ago, I fell in love with KRAO 102.5, but cannot listen here at home because there is no stream. Will have to see if I can get down there this summer, though it'll probably be a long shot at best. Where about was this in Edmonds? Based on some of your observations, it must have been down by the water. I live up top and usually can't get KANY, and if I've logged KINK a couple times, and maybe KDUX once. I usually get a weak CJJR on 93.7, and the KMIH translator sometimes mixing with CFBT on 94.5, have only gotten KRXY once.
 
Thanks to KWPA! CFBT would *KILL* them two miles away. Time to reshuffle this horrible FM mess. Best open freqs in NW WA are 89.9 and 99.5. Would have said 101.9, but now with CITR and CFUV, as well as KINK in good tropo, putting a Part 15 on 101.9 is also not worth it. I just wonder HOW listeners to CKPK can even listen to them in areas like Tsawwassen and Richmond, without CKKQ destroying it?!?

Bob: This was at Marina Beach Park, near the Port of Edmonds. And I DID get blasted by loud BNSF train horns at times... Most of the reception was around sea level, in the water.

Bongwater: What do you get usually on 89.9? Have you received any adult hits or AC stations coming in on that frequency? I'm still trying to figure out if this 89.9 with Fine Young Cannibals was a Part 15, a new Vancouver Island station, or what.

-crainbebo
 
I was south of the ferry. The Port of Edmonds and Marina Beach Park are on Admiral Way.

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
Bongwater: What do you get usually on 89.9? Have you received any adult hits or AC stations coming in on that frequency? I'm still trying to figure out if this 89.9 with Fine Young Cannibals was a Part 15, a new Vancouver Island station, or what.

-crainbebo
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A KEFX translator, K210CN. Not sure if KXIR will knock it off the air, I doubt it.
 
Bongwater: What do you get usually on 89.9? Have you received any adult hits or AC stations coming in on that frequency? I'm still trying to figure out if this 89.9 with Fine Young Cannibals was a Part 15, a new Vancouver Island station, or what.
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Crainbebo.....nothing at all on 89.9 in Southwestern B.C. except a 10 watt TIS on the Coquihalla Highway.
 
I used to volunteer at KGHP a very long time ago. A Fine Young Cannibals song seems likely to be on their playlist that they use for when the students aren't programming.

Val
 
I'd bet it was the Gig Harbor station. I've noticed them, probably with the same song, in the past, and wondered who it was, too. And I drive thru Edmonds and SHoreline reqularly. The new translators et al really are making it hard to stick with many signals in the non-comm part of the band around here, since so much of "fringe" coverage is now turned into a battle for the ears and the 'soul' of listeners (that's a swipe at the clearinghouse mentality of the many religious broadcasters gobbling up translator freqs before there's anything left for some new LPFMs). The new Adventist station from Pt Townsend now prevents me from listening to classical from Tacoma on 90.9 without splatter ruining the reception.

I recall hearing one of the FCC commissioners saying that EMF "had a right to be on the air" with translators. Did they know they assert the right in nearly every part of the USA now? I doubt God gave them that opportunity to clutter up the dial. They're still adding new stations every week, from one studio in Sacramento, in hundreds of cities, many with multiple freqs. That's why I think a revamped FM band is needed real soon, and a regulated satellite band that mixes subscription outfits like Sirius with room for "national" services like KLove and others to pay for space.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
I'd bet it was the Gig Harbor station. I've noticed them, probably with the same song, in the past, and wondered who it was, too. And I drive thru Edmonds and SHoreline reqularly. The new translators et al really are making it hard to stick with many signals in the non-comm part of the band around here, since so much of "fringe" coverage is now turned into a battle for the ears and the 'soul' of listeners (that's a swipe at the clearinghouse mentality of the many religious broadcasters gobbling up translator freqs before there's anything left for some new LPFMs). The new Adventist station from Pt Townsend now prevents me from listening to classical from Tacoma on 90.9 without splatter ruining the reception.

I recall hearing one of the FCC commissioners saying that EMF "had a right to be on the air" with translators. Did they know they assert the right in nearly every part of the USA now? I doubt God gave them that opportunity to clutter up the dial. They're still adding new stations every week, from one studio in Sacramento, in hundreds of cities, many with multiple freqs. That's why I think a revamped FM band is needed real soon, and a regulated satellite band that mixes subscription outfits like Sirius with room for "national" services like KLove and others to pay for space.
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And how much undisclosed "love" money did this commissioner get from EMF?

How STUPID or CORRUPT does someone on the Commission have to be to think they are NOT blatantly ABUSING the translator rules when they have a MOUNTAIN of translator apps from EMF/CSN, prepared with the engineering competency of a rutting moose that get dismissed en masse DAILY (save for the FEW that do get passed)?

Wanna see something else? Take a look at what they've planned for Everett

http://cdbs.recnet.net:8080/fmq.php?facid=150551

CSN (d/b/a "Edgewater Broadcasting") is probably not going to get this translator as you can see, but look who our "primary station" is - KRXY!

I don't know about you, but if I were the owner of KRXY, I would go absolutely ballistic. How DARE they invoke my station to get a free pass to run THEIR garbage! They aren't going to use this as a KRXY translator. At all.

If so, it would have been NICE for CSN to contact these "primary" stations on their apps PRIOR to submitting them (which they DON'T do - Obviously.)

And is THIS how they worm these apps through? There needs to be some changes made, making the primary stations AWARE of what's being filed in their name by an outside party so this kind of abuse STOPS.....

Good gravy!......
 
NINE translator apps "for KRXY".....In PORT ANGELES?

No local station (and certainly NOT KRXY) would have the nerve to pull something like this.

And I'll bet KRXY never knew a thing about what was being filed in their name......

If this is a "Christian" network, then I'm Kate Upton.

Unbelievable.......
 
Should I email KRXY about this? I think they are just wanting one. If I remember right, KUOW applied for two translators at the same site, one at 98.5 and the other at 107.3. I believe in that case, they just wanted one, but they weren't sure which one would be approved. I do not understand how these can even be legal. Maybe some of those down in Abberdeen and Centralia, but how the heck can they even justify a translator in Port Angeles? If all these were clustered around Bremerton, Olympia, and Tacoma, I could see the FCC approving some of these, since KRXY is recievable in those areas. However, if I were the FCC, if I did not get the red flag right away that different owners were filing on behalf of a third party, would be the distance from KRXY. There is no possible way that KRXY could get up to Camano, even if CFBT were off.
 
Went back to Edmonds, and had KRXY mixing with CFBT. Also got KWJJ 99.5 and KKCW 103.3, both new to the Edmonds log.

HOW in the WORLD did KRXY get CPs for ALL these translators?!? And HOW can THEY have one on 104.3, in CENTRALIA. Don't you know there is a LOCAL on that frequency, KMNT?!? This is getting nuts! FCC, how about shutting off all the translators, and GIVING US back our DX frequencies we radio geeks NEED!

-crainbebo
 
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