FM IBOC Power Increase Sought

[hipporadio]

I’m not going to continue to dodge-wizz from the likes of the “TRIPS” here [like RM100] who desperately clamor to their "10-mil ego" and corporate radio penny-stock to defend the indefensible. I will simply report the data incoming to my office – that being that HD radio sales have “flat-lined”. Knock-knock... NOBODY HOME!

Please spare us. No one intro'ed you. There is no stage. It's just the allledged "Real People" you claim to address here. Lose the bombastic, "Comedy store" dialog. I'm sure, in your world, the intellect you espouse is overwhelming. Here, we speak english.

Clouseau

The bitter corporate radio apologist is back doing what he does best – wining about his stock that is worth 63-cents... I'll just listen to some good tunes on what's-left of AM radio "American Pie" is playing now :'(

 

[hipporadio]

Got it. 1/10th of a watt makes the trip, but digital would not. Makes sense to me. (Board members are you listening?) I'm dumbfounded, too.

I am no fan of HD Radio on AM. I can't get reliable reception of it, it doesn't sound great (or "like FM") when I can get it, and it murders adjacent frequencies. But, I just can't swallow and digest some of the complete bunk I am reading on this site, such as what you just quoted. I have to give you credit clouseau, you responded with complete dignity.

Philip... First, "The Inspector" did not respond with "dignity" - he lost that art after Bob Savage took him apart on the Radio Racket... The Inspector has hit me below the belt here MANY times - I no longer have patience with his hidden corporate concerns.

I was not "brewing a story" about 1650 from North Dallas [a P-2 was recording]... BTW - that's NOT THE POINT of the post - the Meduci is, and I'm listening to "Smiling Faces" by The Undisputed Truth IN FM QUALITY on an AM station at 4-miles that is cranking-out FIVE-WATTS... Let's talk about that... What say-you, Mr. Inspector?

 

[clouseau]

The bitter corporate radio apologist is back doing what he does best – wining about his stock that is worth 63-cents... I'll just listen to some good tunes on what's-left of AM radio "American Pie" is playing now :'(

I write about what YOU write. And you post about your supposed fantasy. While I do have a respectable portolio, it does not include ANY radio or TV stocks. (Aside from my own private - non traded corp which I suspect will do well in the end.) In the meantme, feel free to eat all the Frito Lay products you like. Or eat at any of the Yum! outlets. And yes My wife and I DO drink Diet Pepsi... Or if you don't like Pizza Hut, perhaps Domino's would be more to your liking. They all work for me. Again I would point out. It's a rational decision and choice - NOT an emotional response. (Otherwise I'd be all over XM and Sirius who I think have a great upside OUTSIDE OF TERRESTIAL). You claim to be an insider, but you post like you are a Pimply faced teen. I would suspect you're just a fan. A BIG fan. One of those hard core radio folks who the industry has pissed off. But that's just a guess. I'm sure reality is pretty far away. Still...

I have to insert this paragraph. Sorry radio guys...

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THE U.S. THAT PROGRAM INDIVIDUAL RADIO STATIONS THAT ARE NOT THEIR FAVORITE RADIO STATIONS TO LISTEN TO.

Many of these people are pros. Serious heavy duty radio people. Folks who get ratings or get canned and understand how to make money for their owners. And while they'd rather listen to something else, they program what they are assigned. You learn to love it. Believe me, you do. . When I did this for two stations at once, I was clearly in this group. You can't have 2 #1's.

As for my "Wining" about my radio stock, Lowery and Randall can do that the best. They can "Wine and Dine" (Definition of wining) better than any of US. Certainly better than me. I have NO Broadcasting stock. And if you're enjoying your favorite tunes on AM, I'm envious. Seriously. The best tunes on AM where I am are bumper music on the talk shows. Just like the vast majority of the rest of the country.

I've got a pretty good local mix of tunes I send to the rest of the house on 88.1 FM. Maybe you can give us a good QSL since great reception seems to be your forte. You seem to delight in calling me a "Corporate Radio Apologist". What happened, did George revoke your right to use T.R.I.P.? Or do you just need to wait for the next meeting to get authorization?

Clouseau

 

[hipporadio]

The Inspector is now invoking “fast food”, pizza, and Diet Pepsi in this debate [OMG] : ... I own NO broadcast stock either, Mr. C... I didn’t buy-it when offered in 1998! Your prescription for “AM salvation” is no-less than brutal chemotherapy that trashes the band in the remote interest of saving it. There is no salvation in this... I have heard you speak, and I can’t believe you maintain this robotic spin as a part of your diatribe as you worship the CEOs in radio that should be on a Prosecutor’s docket.

Do you really believe I would come to this forum with a claim of “North Dallas Oldies” on 1650 AM without recorded proof? Please direct me to a site where I can post an aircheck without charge, and I will. Don’t call me a “liar” here Mr. C – I DON’T NEED TO LIE TO MAKE MY POINT in this “Penny Forum” – I can make my point on God-given talent alone, Thank-You... And I support many “small concerns” here at R-I who do things right and just try to eek out a living.

You “broadcasters” [ones that haven’t yet been eliminated so CCU can buy-back its worthless stock] are a hoot ...You have ruined this business... You demean those who have "survived" and sold their prior properties [for nice money] as mere “wannabes” [trash at the curb because their Frat membership has expired]; and you promote “defective and destructive” technology that trashes a once-fine band for no better reward than your pathetic ego. DON’T dismiss yourself by blindly telling us that you have “credibility” because you haven’t [yet] fallen victim at your broker’s office – I don’t believe that... I’d rather you believe that I heard North Dallas 1650 in eastern Indiana – because I can prove-it. You corporate broadcasters can’t prove ANYTHING – except that your stock value is finally catching-up with you! Have a GREAT WEEK, Inspector... I wish you great sales [I really do, sir].

 

[hipporadio]

I’ve spent the last two hours at my “radio perch” – Meduci engaged... I was enjoying FULL FIDELITY reception from “740 Toronto” [CHWO] – music on the AM band that sounded like FM. There were fades and liberal 10kHz superhet [when’s the last time you heard that on a radio you picked-up at WalMart?]... POINT... AM [minus nighttime IBOC] is in a similar glory to what is was in the 60s/70s [but less Arbitron audience for reasons...]. I just tuned over to 750 WSB – Neil Bortz is on – he sounds like he is in our house. ‘Nope – no Part 15 oldies on 1650 in eastern Indiana tonight – just Radio Disney on that freq, sorry.

Hey, great folks here at R-I, ‘NOTHING is wrong with AM radio [except the IBOC "saw machine"] when listening from the Meduci tuner... As I post, WIFE is playing Tommy Roe’s “Jam Up ‘n Jelly Tight” – OMG... But it still sounds like FM [maybe in 1969] : I sorta wish it didn't They redeemed themselves with a cool James Taylor tune

 

[LinoNYC]

Your prescription for “AM salvation” is no-less than brutal chemotherapy that trashes the band in the remote interest of saving it.

If it doesn't work out the patient dies anyway.

Do you really believe I would come to this forum with a claim of “North Dallas Oldies” on 1650 AM without recorded proof? Please direct me to a site where I can post an aircheck without charge, and I will.

http://www.sendspace.com/ Please do, I mean this sincerely.

you promote “defective and destructive” technology that trashes a once-fine band for no better reward than your pathetic ego.

I shouldn't get involved in this line, but really, it is not "ego" that converts people to iboc, it's reality.

Recently someone here bemoaned the effects of iboc on "legendary" KDKA, I did the briefest research on found it's listenership was 70% 55+.
There may be some sweet little pennywhistles still playin' the hits of yesteryear probably owned by a semi-retired b'caster, but how much longer will those last.

Once their loving owners depart (or sell as you did) it's religion, colon cleanser to the rescue, even the ethnic market is closing for these types of outlets.

I own NO broadcast stock either, Mr. C... I didn’t buy-it when offered in 1998!

"He no playa the game, he no maka the rules -Ag Sec Earl Butz

Another fine republican: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Butz

Lino

 

[clouseau]

The Inspector is now invoking “fast food”, pizza, and Diet Pepsi in this debate [OMG] : ... I own NO broadcast stock either, Mr. C... I didn’t buy-it when offered in 1998! Your prescription for “AM salvation” is no-less than brutal chemotherapy that trashes the band in the remote interest of saving it. There is no salvation in this... I have heard you speak, and I can’t believe you maintain this robotic spin as a part of your diatribe as you worship the CEOs in radio that should be on a Prosecutor’s docket.

Take it easy there , Hip. I certainly don't "Worship" radio CEOs. However I'm also not so far over the edge to claim they should be prosecuted in court. I think that's WAY over the top.

Do you really believe I would come to this forum with a claim of “North Dallas Oldies” on 1650 AM without recorded proof? Please direct me to a site where I can post an aircheck without charge, and I will. Don’t call me a “liar” here Mr. C – I DON’T NEED TO LIE TO MAKE MY POINT in this “Penny Forum” – I can make my point on God-given talent alone, Thank-You... And I support many “small concerns” here at R-I who do things right and just try to eek out a living.

I believe you have mistaken me for another with regards to calling you a liar. I didn't and wouldn't do that. I do question the relevance of part 15 from hundreds of miles away. Are you suggesting we afford interference protection in a situation like this? As I see it, it's an oddity, nothing more.

You “broadcasters” [ones that haven’t yet been eliminated so CCU can buy-back its worthless stock] are a hoot ...You have ruined this business... You demean those who have "survived" and sold their prior properties [for nice money] as mere “wannabes” [trash at the curb because their Frat membership has expired]; and you promote “defective and destructive” technology that trashes a once-fine band for no better reward than your pathetic ego. DON’T dismiss yourself by blindly telling us that you have “credibility” because you haven’t [yet] fallen victim at your broker’s office – I don’t believe that... I’d rather you believe that I heard North Dallas 1650 in eastern Indiana – because I can prove-it. You corporate broadcasters can’t prove ANYTHING – except that your stock value is finally catching-up with you! Have a GREAT WEEK, Inspector... I wish you great sales [I really do, sir].

Err Ok then. Let me just say that IMHO, credibility doesn't come from what you own, built, sold or didn't sell. It comes from understanding the business.

from another post, I was suprised to see that I had lost my diginity on the Radio Racket when I was on with Bob Savage after he "Took me apart". Most of the people I talked to felt it was a civil, productive presentation of both sides of the issue. George echoed those sentiments after the fact and I suspect Bob Savage would agree as well. I know I certainly felt that way about him. Many people here heard that show, so perhaps the validity of your claim is better determined by them.

I would point out that this entire issue is about radio, not about people. It's none of my business, but maybe you ought to not take it so personally.

Clouseau

 

[KB1OKL]

I'm sure most of you here are or were DXers at one time and know that reception such as Hippo received is possible, maybe a once in a life time catch but it is possible. I've heard many implausible catches from others in my DX career but I've had a few myself so I believe them. I used to pick up drive theaters for example, how many milliwatts did they use? It is possible for these tiny signals to travel hundreds of miles, not common but it does happen when reception is just right. I've heard of skywave reception at high noon, in fact just this past winter. I've received it at 2 pm several times, who are we to say that something is BS just because it is not common? Give the guy a break.

 

[hipporadio]

I actually like The Inspector – and believe that our first lunch would last to the dinnertime. He waited on hold while Bob Savage hurled against HD Radio at The Radio Racket for nearly an hour to make his point... When he went-on, he made a polite and eloquent presentation... He was the BEST spokesman for IBOC HD Radio I have witnessed. He didn’t change my mind, but I respected him nonetheless.

In this forum, he even attacks the prudent use of English composition [the use of brackets as an example] – which I am invoking now... BTW, Mr. C – I slept thru English comp classes in high school and college and still earned an A... I won’t apologize for that skill. I have also sold TONS of radio advertising [some on a 1kw Class 4] before the invention of Microsoft Powerpoint.

A subtitle reminder – I haven’t attacked HD on FM here – just factually-commented on its lack of retail sales – which can be easily documented.

AM is another matter... I want it SHUT OFF... It is defective and DESTRUCTIVE so-called “technology”. It does more harm than good, and the Inspector - who labors at his Class C 1kw AM facility on a “graveyard” frequency cannot change my mind... In fact – I’M SURPRISED [given his credentials] that he is so hypnotized by Bobby Stumble’s science fair project.

 

[hipporadio]

Do you really believe I would come to this forum with a claim of “North Dallas Oldies” on 1650 AM without recorded proof? Please direct me to a site where I can post an aircheck without charge, and I will.

http://www.sendspace.com/ Please do, I mean this sincerely.

Thank you for the audio outlet, Lino - The P-233 computer I recorded it on is a fossile, and I will have to evacuate the audio for a post here... I will post it along with high-bandwith high-bitrate WIFE as "recorded" on the Meduci tuner so you folks can enjou "Ancient Modulation" at its fullest!

'May take a week... Please be patient.

 

[KB1OKL]

I actually like The Inspector – and believe that our first lunch would last to the dinnertime. He waited on hold while Bob Savage hurled against HD Radio at The Radio Racket for nearly an hour to make his point... When he went-on, he made a polite and eloquent presentation... He was the BEST spokesman for IBOC HD Radio I have witnessed. He didn’t change my mind, but I respected him nonetheless.

In this forum, he even attacks the prudent use of English composition [the use of brackets as an example] – which I am invoking now... BTW, Mr. C – I slept thru English comp classes in high school and college and still earned an A... I won’t apologize for that skill. I have also sold TONS of radio advertising [some on a 1kw Class 4] before the invention of Microsoft Powerpoint.

A subtitle reminder – I haven’t attacked HD on FM here – just factually-commented on its lack of retail sales – which can be easily documented.

AM is another matter... I want it SHUT OFF... It is defective and DESTRUCTIVE so-called “technology”. It does more harm than good, and the Inspector - who labors at his Class C 1kw AM facility on a “graveyard” frequency cannot change my mind... In fact – I’M SURPRISED [given his credentials] that he is so hypnotized by Bobby Stumble’s science fair project.

I missed that show are there any recordings of past shows at Radio Racket?

 

[clouseau]

I have also sold TONS of radio advertising [some on a 1kw Class 4] before the invention of Microsoft Powerpoint.

Hip. I hope more than just me appreciates the true meaning of What you wrote there. That's REALLY funny.

A subtitle reminder – I haven’t attacked HD on FM here – just factually-commented on its lack of retail sales – which can be easily documented.

AM is another matter... I want it SHUT OFF... It is defective and DESTRUCTIVE so-called “technology”. It does more harm than good, and the Inspector - who labors at his Class C 1kw AM facility on a “graveyard” frequency cannot change my mind... In fact – I’M SURPRISED [given his credentials] that he is so hypnotized by Bobby Stumble’s science fair project.

Well I suppose Stumble is better than Boob. And I definitly see your point about AM HD. It's a tradeoff no doubt. Frankly, I'm not convinced AM CAN survive at all. Even with HD. There's lots of places where it does real well on a station or two. Heck, Savage makes a decent return and there are ususally 2 or 3 "Successful" AMs in any decent sized market. I just wonder if eventually ALL successful AM formats won't just end up on FM. It makes sense if you look at a lot of the big AM's billing.

Maybe we'll end up with those 750KW flamethrowers they were kicking around in the 60's and 70's. That would be cool.

I just hope we don't end up with this...

http://www.shortwave.org/

Clouseau

 

[Savage]

Well, Clouseau, NOW I think you're on to something. I don't know about the 750 kw flamethrowers, but the fair and reasonable thing would be to reallocate the FM band and grant FM CPs to AMs which are adversely affected by IBOC.

Allowing some self-interested iBiquity co-conspirator like WBZ to stomp all over a successful, undeserving station like WYSL with no compensation and no relief is the equivalent of media eminent domain.

Right now, the FCC's stance is "screw the small guys, we're going all out to help big corporate radio," with an unwanted, unnecessary and underperforming hybrid system being forced on an indifferent marketplace. It's an outrageous form of elitism.

 

[KB1OKL]

I just hope we don't end up with this...

http://www.shortwave.org/

Clouseau

Yes, shortwave has become rather pious lately. it is to the point where you have to wade through them to get to something interesting.

 

[KB1OKL]

Well I suppose Stumble is better than Boob.

Clouseau

Isn't that Strumple's first name? I thought that's where they got "Radio with a boob job" ;D

 

[clouseau]

...the fair and reasonable thing would be to reallocate the FM band and grant FM CPs to AMs which are adversely affected by IBOC.

I'll sign the Petition to the FCC and support it, but I doubt it will ever even get a number. As I'm sure you know, we are pretty well locked into a system of Have's and Have nots. But honestly, I would co-sign that petition in a Texas Minute. (That's like a New York Minute, but faster.)

Allowing some self-interested iBiquity co-conspirator like WBZ to stomp all over a successful, undeserving station like WYSL with no compensation and no relief is the equivalent of media eminent domain.

Agreed. Your situation SHOULD be addressed.

Right now, the FCC's stance is "screw the small guys, we're going all out to help big corporate radio," with an unwanted, unnecessary and underperforming hybrid system being forced on an indifferent marketplace. It's an outrageous form of elitism.

Well they sure as heck did a better job of the DTV conversion than they did with the AM side of things. But I would be careful about that "FM Reallocation" thingy. Knowig the FCC, your relief comes with 3 B1's in Avon along with your Class A relief.

Clouseau

 

[hipporadio]

I have also sold TONS of radio advertising [some on a 1kw Class 4] before the invention of Microsoft Powerpoint.

Hip. I hope more than just me appreciates the true meaning of What you wrote there. That's REALLY funny.

Well I suppose Stumble is better than Boob. And I definitly see your point about AM HD. It's a tradeoff no doubt. Frankly, I'm not convinced AM CAN survive at all. Even with HD. There's lots of places where it does real well on a station or two. Heck, Savage makes a decent return and there are ususally 2 or 3 "Successful" AMs in any decent sized market. I just wonder if eventually ALL successful AM formats won't just end up on FM. It makes sense if you look at a lot of the big AM's billing.

Clouseau

Clouseau... I don’t quite know what is “really funny” about accepting an entry-level radio sales position at an AM station on 1490 [one that had a waiver of the FCC rules to fully-cover its market from a compromised antenna location] – make 14k my first nine-months, then remain in that organization for nearly NINE YEARS, and end my affiliation and nearly six-figure earnings to buy my first station [and yes, an FM to sell came later]. How many college “kids” do you know [or have hired] that kept their first job as a “self-starter” in the radio biz for nearly a decade? I think ONE-PERCENT is a fair assertion.

I have this feeling [also] that AM radio may be in its twilight, but I am well-established as one who will support the underdog, and I will not regret being the “last man standing” in defense of that medium... It’s called ETHICS, Clouseau. I am “up-channel” in the Marketing industry at this point, and enjoy advising the 25-year-old “blonde” to place an advertising schedule on an innovative and committed AM operation. You should include me in your nightly prayers, Clouseau – and wish that there were more hippos out ‘thar in raydeeo-land!

I have a very-simple solution to mitigate the decline of AM radio... Mandatory minimum receiver requirements and a charge that the FCC enforce the long-standing Part 15 RF emission requirements. Please don’t tell me that the regulatory agency hasn’t been “looking the other way” for decades... We now reap what we have sowed, and the industry is bleeding – even on FM!

I have frequently reported my real-world experiences with Jeff Deck’s Meduci AM tuner... If most of its performance were incorporated into the shelf of radios on display at WalMart, the AM radio industry would have a strong pulse today!

 

[OKCRadioGuy]

Uh... That would be Doug Vernier, I'll bet. http://www.v-soft.com/ His V-Soft software is among the best for filing FCC applications, a s well as for general purpose "what if" RF work . Predicting interference contours with it is relatively simple, and the results appear to be very accurate. I've utilized Longley-Rice predictions generated by this software, and it is uncannily accurate.

My experience tells me that Doug knows what he is talking about.

[/quote]

He most certainly does... He didn't seem to think it would cause some interference issues, especially in the non-comm band. I'd go to the bank with that.

 

[hipporadio]

And BTW, Inspector – I would challenge you as an operator of a Class C AM to forgo $150 [a few happy hours] and purchase the Meduci AMX 2000 AM tuner... ‘Just consider it to first be an inquisitive investment – then later an enjoyable experience as you enjoy your AM station at its full potential. I can truly report to you that this is an awesome AM receiver!

I can hardly wait for KB to get his in the mail, fire it up, and report his findings.

 

[hipporadio]

Case in point... I just viewed an address by a Texas Republican congressman on You-Tube chiding the infamous “green” light bulbs. Edison appears to be out of style in favor of the radical environmentalists. My parents bought two of them for the Stiffle lamps in their upstairs family room. ‘Know what – they rendered reception of AM radio to naught within their home... So did the imported patio light dimmer switch. I removed all three and deposited them in the garbage can for following Monday pick-up... ARREST ME, but AM reception is again a reality in my boyhood home! These products blatantly-defy the long-established Part 15 rules... So does their Dell computer, BTW. WHERE IS THE FCC on these matters? Off on yet another coffee break – the same one that casually permitted nighttime AM IBOC?

Our government is failing us folks, and the AM band is dying before our eyes in that stead. FCC... Get back to the rules you are rightfully empowered to enforce, and just DO YOUR JOB!