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FM Promoted in (HD)TV Antenna Infomercial

^^^
There's even a jack to give you perfect FM radio reception!


(finally, perfect FM)

This infomercial (currently running while I post this) is the first one (of many I've seen) for (HD)TV antenna systems that specifically mentions FM and all of the free music/talk/sports available from FM radio.


Kirk Bayne
 
There's even a jack to give you perfect FM radio reception!


(finally, perfect FM)

This infomercial (currently running while I post this) is the first one (of many I've seen) for (HD)TV antenna systems that specifically mentions FM and all of the free music/talk/sports available from FM radio.
Uh...so?
I think you should go out and buy one Kirk. Please report back how the antenna defies the laws of physics.
 
If this antenna has good reception in the VHF range it might pick up FM OK because it's between channels 6 and 7. But it looks like a typical cheap antenna that works mainly on UHF in probably a 50 mile range at best, and I doubt it would even do that. And the claim of a 200 mile range is a definite lie. It looks like the FCC and FTC could put a stop to that.

On the 200 mile range I wonder at times if that claim is figured on the diameter rather than radius. But even with that a 200 mile diameter or 100 mile radius is an exaggeration to put it mildly.
 
If this antenna has good reception in the VHF range it might pick up FM OK because it's between channels 6 and 7. But it looks like a typical cheap antenna that works mainly on UHF in probably a 50 mile range at best, and I doubt it would even do that. And the claim of a 200 mile range is a definite lie. It looks like the FCC and FTC could put a stop to that.
Did the FCC or FTC ever crack down on the marketers of those plug-in doohickeys that promised reception miracles by using your house's wiring as a super-antenna? Those ads were around for a long time back in the analog TV days.
 
On the 200 mile range I wonder at times if that claim is figured on the diameter rather than radius. But even with that a 200 mile diameter or 100 mile radius is an exaggeration to put it mildly.
When you go to the website for this product, it specifically says 200 mile diameter, with an illustration.
Did the FCC or FTC ever crack down on the marketers of those plug-in doohickeys that promised reception miracles by using your house's wiring as a super-antenna? Those ads were around for a long time back in the analog TV days.
Not that I ever saw, but then again, the FTC probably only cracks down on items where they get tons of complains about an item that's made millions on false claims, or where someone has actually filed a suit. Few would probably pony up for the lawyer fees required to sue for a $10 item. Incidentally, I once saw one of those devices in the store. It was a cylindrical thing that you could rotate to "tune" properly. When you plugged it into the electrical jack, the + and - pins were both plastic - only the round ground pin was metal.

^^^ About 6 months ago I posted this photo in another discussion thread. Another supposed "miracle antenna", a bunch more false claims. I saw this while in the checkout lane at a store here, priced at $12.
 
I have a TV which can pick up FM. I don't remember which one it is or how I used to do it, but back in the day I would listen to Joe Lacina every Saturday evening. I couldn't pick up the station with a regular radio which used the power cord as its antenna, probably because it was too close to another station.
 

Seems like Walmart has some antenna systems that top all of these.

Regarding my original post - it looks like the market research for their TV antenna system revealed to them that enough consumers were interested in receiving FM radio that they devoted infomercial time to specifically mentioning FM several times.


Kirk Bayne
 

Seems like Walmart has some antenna systems that top all of these.

Regarding my original post - it looks like the market research for their TV antenna system revealed to them that enough consumers were interested in receiving FM radio that they devoted infomercial time to specifically mentioning FM several times.


Kirk Bayne
Did anyone bother telling them that too many strong FM signals will overload the untuned/wideband preamp, causing intermod and possible interference with TV reception? That happened to me when I lived in Phoenix, only about 5 miles from the South Mountain tower farm which includes over a dozen 100 kW FM stations. I had to install an FM trap between the antenna and the preamp to receive much of anything. This won't happen to everybody, of course, but it's good to check if you live in a big market with lots of high-powered FM stations.
 
Seems like Walmart has some antenna systems that top all of these.
As I mentioned in another post in another discussion thread, there's a sucker born every minute, and tons of companies out there happily willing to market to people that will buy they're over-hyped products. My dad went to Walmart several months ago and came home giddy because the salesperson sold him on a way to cut the cord and get rid of cable forever. She sold him a cheap, generic-brand SmartTV that she claimed could pick up tons of movie and TV channels and she also sold him a $39 antenna that she said could be used to bring tons of OTA channels - so between that low-end SmartTV and the antenna, he could get most everything he always watches - for FREE! First, the TV only provided 2nd or maybe 3rd rate offerings, but few if any of the most watched, well-known broadcast or cable networks. Second, my dad remembers the days in the 1970s where he put an antenna with a rotor on the roof and pulled in nearly every OTA signal for 100 miles around. She told him the $39 set top antenna she sold him would do the same. He never got it to work. I went to the web and found that, in his area, he may only pull in 1 or maybe 2 DTV stations. I had to explain how analog back in the day was very different than digital and how DTV signals don't travel as far. I also had to explain that if getting all the programming she'd promised for FREE was that easy and it just required the purchase of a TV, everyone would do it. In the end, he was determined that she was right and he'd found a better way. By the time he realized he was sold a pile of crap and that the TV pulled in NONE of the hockey and baseball games, the Game Show Network and other stuff they watch and that the antenna was worthless, it was too late to return the stuff and get his money back. He's stuck with it - and still has his full cable subscription.
Regarding my original post - it looks like the market research for their TV antenna system revealed to them that enough consumers were interested in receiving FM radio that they devoted infomercial time to specifically mentioning FM several times.
Kirk Bayne
NO. This is a company in China, or possibly a US company building cheaply made products in China, trying to figure out how to market a crap product that doesn't work, and make it believable enough and to have enough offerings ("but wait! There's MORE!") that a bunch of people will buy it. There is little to no "consumer research" involved. They're marketing and promotions people, simple as that.
 
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Seems like Walmart has some antenna systems that top all of these.
Being at Walmart, this is probably targeting a socioeconomic group that may not be able to afford cable or satellite TV, instead relying on Over The Air (OTA) TV reception.
Regarding my original post - it looks like the market research for their TV antenna system revealed to them that enough consumers were interested in receiving FM radio that they devoted infomercial time to specifically mentioning FM several times.
I doubt it. Not only is such an antenna a poor substitute for an actual outdoor antenna, but claiming it's good for FM use plays to an older audience who's probably already got an FM radio lying around. I think what got you excited, was the possibility that it would promote FM to a younger demographic. Being on an infomercial, or on an end cap at Walmart, would indicate they're trying to reach an older audience interested in receiving OTA TV and improved FM radio reception. The older demo are the ones who watch infomercials, or shops at Walmart. Younger people today do neither.
 
Gotta love the marketing on those aerials! Saw one other night promising 4K TV and stuff and I was laughing so hard I woke someone up! Felt sorry for the people falling for that product when any decent aerial can pick up most types of signals from the old analogue to the ATSC 3 signals available in some areas.
 
The craziest mileage estimate I saw advertised on an antenna was 420 miles. I wonder what they were smoking whenever they had that idea?🤣
 
The craziest mileage estimate I saw advertised on an antenna was 420 miles. I wonder what they were smoking whenever they had that idea?🤣
I was once sitting in my car on the west side of a hill in NC and picked up a station from Arkansas.

And then there was that summer I picked up stations in Texas, also in NC.
 
The craziest mileage estimate I saw advertised on an antenna was 420 miles. I wonder what they were smoking whenever they had that idea?🤣
Antenna Man did a review of one of the antennas that claimed a 420 mile pickup range. He found those claims were not only greatly exaggerated, but the antenna he tested was actually one of the worst performing and was, as he called it - "Absolute junk". No great surprise.
 
I was once sitting in my car on the west side of a hill in NC and picked up a station from Arkansas.

And then there was that summer I picked up stations in Texas, also in NC.
Probably some tropo (VHF-hi or UHF) or E-skip (VHF-lo). Was this back in the analog days? It was more common to receive them then, since all RF channels were accessible, unlike today. I don't think it's possible to directly enter RF channels on a digital TV now, although I owned one back in 2010 that had that capability.
 
Antenna Man did a review of one of the antennas that claimed a 420 mile pickup range. He found those claims were not only greatly exaggerated, but the antenna he tested was actually one of the worst performing and was, as he called it - "Absolute junk". No great surprise.
That's actually where I had seen this antenna first discussed and we had a thread about it at one time.

I know that even in the analog TV era antennas were overestimated in their range, but a lot of that depended on how high the antenna was mounted and whether the surface was flat, hilly, or mountainous. But any antenna that claims to have more than a 100 mile (radius) range is a lie, and even that is being generous.
 
You know what's unfortunate about these 'snake oil' products; is someone who would order one of these things, or buy off an end cap at Walmart, hook it up, and it won't work. This example could be a senior, or someone who doesn't have much disposable income to just throw it away on useless junk. All this experience does is create an unpleasant situation for the consumer, who will ultimately blame their local TV stations for not being able to receive free TV.
 
As I mentioned in another post in another discussion thread, there's a sucker born every minute, and tons of companies out there happily willing to market to people that will buy they're over-hyped products. My dad went to Walmart several months ago and came home giddy because the salesperson sold him on a way to cut the cord and get rid of cable forever. She sold him a cheap, generic-brand SmartTV that she claimed could pick up tons of movie and TV channels and she also sold him a $39 antenna that she said could be used to bring tons of OTA channels - so between that low-end SmartTV and the antenna, he could get most everything he always watches - for FREE! First, the TV only provided 2nd or maybe 3rd rate offerings, but few if any of the most watched, well-known broadcast or cable networks. Second, my dad remembers the days in the 1970s where he put an antenna with a rotor on the roof and pulled in nearly every OTA signal for 100 miles around. She told him the $39 set top antenna she sold him would do the same. He never got it to work. I went to the web and found that, in his area, he may only pull in 1 or maybe 2 DTV stations. I had to explain how analog back in the day was very different than digital and how DTV signals don't travel as far. I also had to explain that if getting all the programming she'd promised for FREE was that easy and it just required the purchase of a TV, everyone would do it. In the end, he was determined that she was right and he'd found a better way. By the time he realized he was sold a pile of crap and that the TV pulled in NONE of the hockey and baseball games, the Game Show Network and other stuff they watch and that the antenna was worthless, it was too late to return the stuff and get his money back. He's stuck with it - and still has his full cable subscription.
I work for a vendor that services Walmart stores for different electronic items along with music, videos, and gaming. I won't say something like this can't happen, but it sounds to me like that Walmart employee didn't know anything about how the smart TVs work and shouldn't be working in that department. The people in the the electronics department at the store I mainly work in do at least know that the TV has to be connected to WiFi to get the channels listed. As for the antennas I'll admit some of them are exaggerated on their ranges as well. I'm not involved in sales, but I have had customers ask me in in a few cases and told them that an outdoor antenna by Antennas Direct was the best choice for any reception outside of the Jackson, TN area, or if they want an indoor antenna to get one from GE or RCA with the highest range.
 
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