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FM Talk who's next?

Actually Mark, I was attempting to pay you a complement. I certainly appreciate someone in your capacity caring about the business as you do. This is not a slam but look at the market in which you work. Something can be said about small towns across this country and I believe from a radio perspective, I believe creativity is allowed to flourish and caring about the listener is an actual priority. On a number of occasions I have reported on my trips up and down this state, the interesting finds where radio has format variety and it actually sounds like those who are on the air are enjoying themselves. There is no excuse that a small market such as Ft. Pierce has such terrific radio and benefits from getting signals from South and Central Fla. Jax radio doesn't come close.

I realize I'm signal-challenged but I often think it would be so cool if a station in SE Georgia and one in your neck of the woods can cover Jax and offer us something different musically. As much as I have always said, no one will listen to a station outside of the market, that would not apply if the format had appeal and the station was marketed to include Jax at the top of the hour. When I lived in S FL, there was a Palm Beach station that stated a COL as Palm Beach, Broward, Dade. Can't something like that happen here?

As far as my comments about FM talk here, I was not discounting the fact, that although bad, we already have progressive talk on FM. Adding another FM talker would bring 3 to the market and that would be the same bad situation like having 3 country stations. I don't know, I can understand all your points and Pocket's but the problem with Jax is too much of the same thing.
 
Thank you for the compliment as it is much appreciated...

You may be right about having too many of the same format in the same market... Isn't the Jacksonville progressive talker on one of the small signal sticks?

Regarding music stations, I agree that certain things can be done to make it much more entertaining and enjoyable. The problem is costs... It cost big bucks to hire a full slate of local talent to play music and enteract with the listeners. It cost even more to create and implement a creative revenue generating radio promotion...Today's radio isn't like it was 30 years ago when I started in the business where a single market had only a handful of local stations. Now we have "move-ins" from nearby markets competing for the same advertising "pie" that is only so big and has limited ad dollars availabe during any given fiscal year. And, in a market such as Jacksonville you have three major corporate players controlling all the bigger stations. Many of these operators over paid for the stations which gives them a slim profit margin in which to work with. It's a real catch 22 considering ad dollars are finite while at the same time it takes a rather sizable capital investment to create a "demand" for the product the station is offering to the market place.

Furthermore, music is available from so many other sources that did not exist 30 years ago, hence creating more competition for the listeners ear where music is concerned. This is another element that is factored into the equation that was never considered when many of us started our broadcasting careers...

As far as taking an out of market station and targeting it towards the Jacksonville demo, it could be done if there are any distant signals capable of reaching Jacksonville, and said station has a management team in place willing to innovate by finding a real Jacksonville void and filling it...

Radio has changed... Some of those changes have been for the better while others are not necessarily an improvement...At one time AM was king and FM was thought of as the unloved step child... Now we have FM stations outnumbering AMs along with intenet streaming, mp3s, ipods, cell phones, satellite radio and you name it...

To me it would be a welcomed change to actually hear a local/live music station with personality and active promotions once again... Only time will tell if that ever happens in today's radio environment...

Once again, thank you for the compliment...

Mark Tillery
General Manager
WELE-AM 1380
Ormond Beach - Daytona
Email: [email protected]
 
Mark, I understand where you are going and while I am an active observer and not an insider, I see things differently. This is a very, very complex subject and I could probably write volumes but given the nature of this forum, I will do my best to be to the point but I can't be brief either to give this important subject justice as it comes down to radio's survival. So y'all take a bathroom break before reading this as I have a lot to say and I'm as mad as hell.

For the easy part, yes, the Jacksonville progressive talker is on a "small signal stick." I'm signal challenged so that's all I will say on that.

The other day I lost myself listening to airchecks of some of the AM giants of the 60s and 70s. What a transformation in just a generation as AM is now virtually dead. In almost every market there are just a handful of stations that even make a book. We will never know if anything else could have been done differently that would have prevented what we have now but be advised of this. It seemed everyone and his uncle went the talk route by the 80s and it was too much of one type format. The audience was dispersed too much and is the nature of revenue; advertisers could not support more than one or two of the formats. Others eventually died on the vine flipping again and again trying to find something that would catch on. If we take this same approach with FM, citing the masses are going elsewhere for music as they said with AM VS. FM and more and more FM talkers emerge, history will once again be repeated. In order to prepare for the future, we should look at the past.

Before FM caught on, the band had a ton of what was then called beautiful music stations. Later, it seemed everyone wanted to do album rock featuring DJs that sounded nothing like their AM counterparts. It all failed and FM stations were sold on the cheap. It wasn't until those who had a vision, people such as Bill Drake, recognized the commercial powerhouse stereo broadcasting would become. Stations became focused and tight and there was a lot of variety in the formats. Yes, fragmentation began but radio was inclusive and offered listeners a lot of choice. It worked and listeners changed their habits and the move to FM began.

I envision things differently for now and the future and it's based on what separates radio from other alternatives and it's greatest strength is that it can be tied to the local community. In the current thinking, a lot of what a listener hears could just as soon be coming from thousands of miles away, it sounds remote, cold and it's just ho-hum. If this is how we fight for an audience that has alternatives at their fingertips, I must be missing something.

While I acknowledge a typical station can no longer support a full roster of talent, what has been allowed to happen to them is in a word reprehensible. Over the last few years, the audience has been cleverly manipulated to not even expect to hear anyone on the air. I recall WSOS, as an example, had voice tracking on the weekend and I would comment to myself why they even bothered. Announcing what just played or repeating sweeper lines is a waste of time and it does not positively impact listening impressions. So no one should be surprised decisions are made to do without talent. It’s ridiculous; the talent is doomed from the start because they are given no programming support and are given just enough time to just repeat a sweeper.
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We hear about operating budgets a great deal but you don’t have to spend extra money to be creative in your programming. Radio has to be in the business of making an impression on the listener to keep them as a “customer” while acknowledging they are being shared with alternatives. If we use the WSOS example, they could have easily goosed the format, even if once an hour featuring light songs from a particular year for that day, artist or a lost hit, the possibilities are endless. But the talent would have been supported in that they would have something to talk about and the station would sound less mechanical. It may not make a big difference in ratings but it has more to do with making favorable impressions that I believe is the strategy to co-exist.

So now where do we find ourselves in Jacksonville radio? If you are over 35, you are generally SOL in hearing your favorite DJ on a music station as what often remains is automated and terminal. The bucks are all in one basket ironically going after the very people who are going elsewhere. WAPE has a new PD, there is L&T, Bubba and MJ going head-to-head, 18-25 year old male punks have choices, the rest of us make due. This is a very risky way of doing business for the long run. Younger demos are not loyal to radio if the star moves on. The advertising rules treat older demos like they are lepers yet they are the loyal listeners no one wants. What a freakin mess this is.

We don’t learn from the past. Even with tight operating budgets, a lot can be done to make programming more exciting and making positive listener impressions by being more community oriented. Recognizing budget issues, there is nothing wrong with sharing talent among like-formatted stations especially in the same time zone. There is a lot of inconsistency in radio. Every time I hear Rush go to commercial by announcing another obscene profit time-out. I have to laugh how no one seems to mind all the old farts who are listening.

I’m beginning to think a lot of you are running things can post for a position at AIG. My friends, look at the past, everybody doing the same thing or going after the same demos is doomed to fail. Peace.
 
It's frustrating. All that matters is numbers, ratings, sales and cost to operate..
Radio is a hoar and has a history of doing anything and I mean anything to hit short-term goals today, this month. Management/employees in all forms are kept on board so long as they can keep plugging up holes. When the plugged holes spring leaks, management/employees are fired so as to make room for the next capable plumbers with superglue, tape and hope. Radio has fired everybody and I mean everybody.

We've all been witness to the damaged done by greed mongers on Wall Street, AIG and our government. And the same moronic greed mongers are running radio today. For money, sales says anything, screws & bleeds clients dry, to hit budgets made up by bankers and bean counters. It's no difference than credit card companies charging 28% interest.. raping customers isn't real and can't last for long. I'm sorry your dreams are just that dreams.

cutting stations to voice tracking and ghost like employees isn't real either.. Besides playing music, somebody has to create content.. I'll say that again, besides playing music, somebody is has to create content.. the trouble is, radio has fired most of the creative types and nobody is replacing them!

So what will radio do? Play more ghostly jukeboxes, with national radio personalities..
Cut more operating expenses. PD’s Streaming & engineers... cut them who needs them.
Traffic/production and playlist will be centralized to national hubs.. in others words the same 50 promo and local spot voices will be heard on 6000 stations nationwide. 20 people will mange the same playlist. Who needs local voices and personalities! Listeners just want more music anyway, so the research says.

The cry for localization will never happen as that will cost operators more money..

It's a bleak outlook I know, but remember the goal.. hit short-term goals today, this month..

The mantra is FASTER AND CHEAPER…
That is until the machine finally dies..

WSOS and legends 100.7 would be just two examples of Jacksonville's ghostly jukeboxes… and fits the mantra.. FASTER AND CHEAPER..
all operating cost's have been stripped to the bone.. that means no paid live humans
Voice tracked monkey’s can read the same weathers/traffics and PC will play music
with no bad attitudes or health insurance. playlist can be handled from the hub concept too..

Just play more music and sell it.. it's an owners dream come true.. ;-)


RIP.. RADIO..
 
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