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i need one where do i go to find one??
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What area?
Friends of Christian Radio has several expiring. Others exist as well. Find the area then look through the FCC database of CP's and Licenses.
FCC.gov then media then FM query.
Friends of Christian Radio has several expiring. Others exist as well. Find the area then look through the FCC database of CP's and Licenses.
FCC.gov then media then FM query.
TomT said:
You don't even need to show coverage of the COL. As long as the proposed 60 dBu overlaps the present 60 in some area, it's a minor change. In the same filing, you can also request a new COL, as well as a change in channel plus or minus 1, 2, 3, 53, or 54 (as long as the interference study shows no problem.)
Concerning equipment, I've had good results with Armstrong Transmitter's gear.
"...BTW, translators can be moved so long as the 60 dbu still covers a portion of the city of license, it is a minor change."
lol
You can't even hear a couple translators in there city of license in this area.
lol
You can't even hear a couple translators in there city of license in this area.
EncSpy said:
LOL, Good one!! Ive never heard that "nickname" before..
Judging by the modulation level of some of them I've seen that would be a VERY good name for them.
OKCRadioGuy said:
I like the name crapolators too! lol
There ARE some translators worth hearing; for those, I suggest the new sweet translator/tuner unit from Fanfare Electronics that can take the whole bandwidth of the FM signal and send it onto it's Crown exciter - the best part: no additional HD license fee if your main station has it, no extra bucks for iBiquity - you just 'repeat' it thru the FanfareFM tuner and BINGO! Check it out at FanfareFM.com I'm impressed with how well that tuner digs your station out of the dirt, even with 1 adjacent issues!
OK.. Question for you then! Have you had personal experience with the Fanfare translator set up where it WILL pull something out of the muck in analog? How would it compare to the Sony HD tuner we love so much for DXing as far as the selectivity of the system. ( I realize I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I'd like to have a point of reference I know)
To clarify, the new Fanfare/Crown HD translator setup...
OKCRadioGuy said:
First, let me say that I think the Fanfare tuner is one of he best analog tuners you can buy for translator service. I work with several of them on a daily basis. They are very high quality.
The Sony HD tuner runs rings around it in terms of sensitivity and selectivity. In one translator installation, the primary station is 104.7. Another nearby translator with the same programming is 101.9. The translator's output is 250 watts on 105.3. Using a just a Fanfare, neither 101.9 or 104.7 is receivable with decent quality at the translator location. That is largely due to interference generated by the translator’s transmitter, whose antenna is about 50 feet from the receiving antennas. The RF field swamps most receivers at that distance.
Add about $500 worth of custom filters from Microwave Filters, and the Fanfare works fine on 101.9, but not acceptably on 104.7. It is noticeably quieter when locked into mono, so that is how we run it. Connect up the Sony to either antenna, (there are two) and it works just fine in stereo on 104.7 or 101.9. That's with no filters, connected directly to the antenna. The Sony is just a $99.00 radio. I'm really impressed.
The downside of the Sony is, if it loses power, it will not come back to whatever station it was tuned to. It defaults to 530 AM, and has to be turned on manually. In fact, it will not power up automatically. It requires a human to push the “power” button. That is not good, since it requires someone to drive to the translator site turn it back on. It is a huge waste of time and resources.
We use some RDS detectors from Via Radio to make sure our originating signal is not hijacked by skip or other interference. That requires a composite output, which is not available on the Sony.
If these problems were addressed, it would be the ultimate translator receiver. I'd cheerfully pay for those improvements.
Chuck said:
Ever since I read your post Ihave been eondering... if a better solution would be to...
1) Use the Sony tuner to get the good sounding stereo audio.
2) Add a stereo generator to create the composite.
3) Put the tuner on a UPS so it will hold for a few hours.
4) Continue to use the Fanfare and RDS detection but feed Stereo audio from the Sony. Depending on how you actually trigger shutdown there might be another step. It just seems to be a shame to lose stereo when it's actually available at the site. It's a pretty Mickey Mouse workaround, but it might work.
Clouseau
Nick said:
Yes, as I read the rules... a commercial band station feeding a commercial band translator must feed that translator from the FM signal directly.
Chuck which model Sony HD tuner you using?
Nick said:
According to Staff if the signal is picked up over the air it doesn't matter how long the wire to connect the receiver to the transmitter is.
clouseau said:
I've been thinking of doing just that, and I will probably try it. I already use a stereo generator at this particular site, so that part isn't a problem. What has stopped me so far is the UPS didn’t seem to completely cure the problem. Early on, I tried the Sony on the bench at the station, using a small UPS. It’ an APC - which may be part of the problem. In my tests, removing AC power from the input of the UPS sometimes allowed the Sony to shut of. It didn’t happen all the time, but it happened often enough to be a concern. I suspect that this particular UPS switches to the inverter (battery) when power is lost. That transient glitch seems to be enough to make the tuner switch off. I think I need a UPS that is full time off the inverter, using AC merely to float the batteries.
In fact, it might be cheaper/easier to use a 12-volt battery, and an inexpensive AC inverter to run the tuner. I could use a small battery charger to keep the voltage up.
Of course, that adds more Mickey Mouse to the Mickey Mouse quotient, but it would probably work. Does anyone know of a reasonably priced all in one UPS that runs on full time inverter power? It would not have to be very big. The Sony tuner only draws a few watts.
One other downside to this set up is splitting the RF signal will cost a minimum of 3 db and probably closer to 4 db with most ordinary passive 75 ohm RF splitters. That might not be a problem, but then again it might. There is adequate signal with either receiver connected to the antenna, but I’m not sure how it will do when split. I guess I’ll just have to try it.
I suppose I could use an active splitter, but my experience with them in high RF environments is they can cause more problems than they solve. In this case the transmit antenna is about 75 feet from the receive antenna. There are a couple of other installations where it is even closer.
The science project continues…
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