? For sale, Here? in *MY* backyard ?!

[Radio_bored-Op]

first, the facts:
http://www.radio4sale.com/forsale.php

Entry, for Western New York state station...so it sounds
like it is from a front office; and I have checked this
website , before (when I want my dream of the mega millions : )
to come true, and have noticed the ROCHESTER AM (ESPN/hopeful) for
sale...but there has not been ANY station ( on any website I usually
visit: radio4sale.com/buysellradio.com/broadcaststations4sale.com) have
*never* featured this market ( this market: buffalo-niagara falls) *and only
mentioned Rochester, NY -in passing- if u will,since that entry is NOT New....

NOW i am FULLY aware, of the NON_Disclosure Statements, on
[radio4sale.com], however, this is a board, for both opinion, mixed with fact...
*AND* i never signed the agreement, so, I hope this is open for discussion....

....and, if it's no trouble, can post-ers, here "price check" the
buffalo-radio dial, what "y;ALL" think is "fair" and what the real price's
would be, if an indy-owner, or new group came through, and acquired clusters/stand alone stations...

thanks, in advance, as i have a feeling this post, will have a 2-sentence, one post answer
from some one who knows HIS (or her) sh....stuff !!
but...hey, thanks anyways!!!

 

[ThePickleReport]

I'm not sure if I understand the question.

 

[SirRoxalot]

How Big Is Your Backyard?

The ad says that the stations are in "Western New York State: 2 separate AM/FM combos". With prices like $595K and $1.2M, there's little chance that they're in the Buffalo or Rochester markets. Think more along the lines of Dunkirk, Warsaw, Jamestown, Olean, Wellsville, or maybe the Bilbat fiasco around Hornell. Check out the Binghamton board for info on that.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

Click on Radio_bored-Op's link and scroll down the page. The AM/FM combos are at the top; closer to the bottom is the AM CP he mentions.

 

[Savage]

It's for Bud Williamson's 1kw DA-2 licensed to Ontario, NY, east of Rochester in suburban Wayne County. If I recall it's on 1330 kHz.

 

[cee]

It's for Bud Williamson's 1kw DA-2 licensed to Ontario, NY, east of Rochester in suburban Wayne County. If I recall it's on 1330 kHz.

I seem to recall us having a discussion about this on this board a couple years back...apparently no buyers yet. A start up AM in Wayne County apparently doesn't seem like a good business venture. However, I heard through the gravevine that a move-in to Rochester is a possibility...still no takers. Anybody have an opinion on this?

 

[Element9]

Yes, we've been over this bridge before, but if you'd like to view some of the particulars, you might want to start here: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1168579 or here: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101168579&formid=316&fac_num=160375

Moving 1330 to Rochester would be quite the trick, I suspect. First adjacents on 1340, WLVL Lockport and WWLF Auburn as well as 1350 WRNY would have to be protected. Co-channel WSPQ on 1330 would have to be protected. That's a lot of steel and copper to bankroll just to put up a potential fish feeder.

 

[Savage]

And don't forget 1310 WRSB Canandaigua and 1320 WHHO Hornell, so you're not going very far south or SW with that puppy either. I haven't reviewed the 1330 CP but that Ontario authorization must be pulled in tighter than....well, use your own metaphor here.

 

[Mark Giardina]

I seem to recall us having a discussion about this on this board a couple years back...apparently no buyers yet. A start up AM in Wayne County apparently doesn't seem like a good business venture. However, I heard through the gravevine that a move-in to Rochester is a possibility...still no takers. Anybody have an opinion on this?

I just can't see how this station can make it considering the frequency it's on plus add to that the amount of business that can be generated from Wayne County.

Also what format would the station air?

The only thing that might work is if one of the public radio stations in Oswego or Rochester decided to use 1330 AM as a repeater.

 

[Savage]

FWIW - and according to Radio Stations For Sale, that's a quarter mil - radio-locator.com lists the expiration date of the CP as May 2009. I can state from practical experience, 13 months is not much time to get a phasor designed and built, get steel in the air, and set up and proof a DA-2 and get a 302 on file with the Commission.

Somebody better get going on that 1330 CP chop-chop. The FCC doesn't hand out CP extensions any more save for unusual circumstances.

 

[Bob1370]

If you go to the FCC website, get a look, first at the day and night directional patterns they're proposing (tighter even than WROC's, and beamed right toward Lake Ontario). Then check the area map and see the area their 2.5 mv signal will likely cover (it MIGHT catch Webster village if the wind's blowing right, otherwise it's just programming to dairy cows and apple trees on the way to the fresh-water fish in Lake Ontario). You have to wonder how anyone expects to make a dime from it...unless they decide to file for what under today's rules amounts to a "minor change" to relocate the thing to a vacant plot of land in a place like, oh, Brighton, Henrietta or Mendon...and a city-of-license change to a certain industrial community nestled along the Genesee River by the Lake Ontario shore...

 

[Savage]

Don't think that's gonna happen, Bob1370 - not that close to Canandaigua and Hornell. Here's why, in practical terms.

I'm 99.99% certain you'd have to do an extensive measurement study to pull 1320 WHHO Hornell and 1310 WRSB Canandaigua's daytime contours back to prevent impermissible first- and second-adjacent overlap. Not sure how doable that would be, given that 1310's major day lobe is aimed right at....you guessed it, Brighton. The WYNY 1330 pattern appears tucked into one of WRSB's deep nulls, to the north. WHHO 1320 had a transmitter-site fire and is operating at some power level considerably lower than its authorized 5kw NDA. You'd have to wait until the Hornell station is back at full power to make your measurement case. Given the legal mess surrounding WHHO that could take considerable time, and a 1330 move-in applicant doesn't have that luxury...as previously noted the CP has little more than a year left. Even if WRSB and WHHO were operating a full licensed power - a little birdy has told me NEITHER is - this kind of study could take months of measurement.

All that being said, your honchos at 1370-land might have something to say about a 1330 located in Brighton or Henrietta, only 40 kHz away from WXXI-AM and within a few air-miles of the French Road site. The antiresonating to prevent DA interaction at both sites could be considerable - and costly.

 

[ThePickleReport]

Re: How Big Is Your Backyard?

The ad says that the stations are in "Western New York State: 2 separate AM/FM combos". With prices like $595K and $1.2M, there's little chance that they're in the Buffalo or Rochester markets. Think more along the lines of Dunkirk, Warsaw, Jamestown, Olean, Wellsville, or maybe the Bilbat fiasco around Hornell.

I saw that and I still didn't understand his question. ;D

My guess is that the stations indeed are in the southern tier.

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

pickleReport:

i will type it again,
what stations, are in fact up for sale?!
can anyone actually find out, or is this just pure
speculation, of what 2bit operation, about 125 miles
away "may" be on the block.

no one, reeely has come out and said it is...
Calls: .......
station/city: :::::::

 

[ThePickleReport]

Since they are in the same ad one can assume the the stations are co-owned. SirRoxalot had the right suspects in my opinion. Do your homework.

 

[genius]

The ad says that the stations are in "Western New York State: 2 separate AM/FM combos". With prices like $595K and $1.2M, there's little chance that they're in the Buffalo or Rochester markets. Think more along the lines of Dunkirk, Warsaw, Jamestown, Olean, Wellsville, or maybe the Bilbat fiasco around Hornell. Check out the Binghamton board for info on that.

Oh how I would love to buy those stations, especially if it does turn out to be in Southern Tier places like Jamestown and there is a news/talk station involved...though if I did buy I'd probably spend the next two hundred years in debt...

It's for Bud Williamson's 1kw DA-2 licensed to Ontario, NY, east of Rochester in suburban Wayne County. If I recall it's on 1330 kHz.

I seem to recall us having a discussion about this on this board a couple years back...apparently no buyers yet. A start up AM in Wayne County apparently doesn't seem like a good business venture. However, I heard through the gravevine that a move-in to Rochester is a possibility...still no takers. Anybody have an opinion on this?

Just how much interference occurs on 1330 do they get from the AM 1330 station Owesgo? Certainly they can't power up further than they already are, can they?

 

[dustintv]

Actually there is WSPQ 1330 over in Buffalo at 1kw as well, even closer than the ones in Troy and Owego(I presume you mean that one, because there is no such place called Owesgo nor is there a 1330 in Oswego).

 

[Element9]

Going for the Hat Trick Post

Couldn't help notice one of your slug lines:

If there is one thing in this world that makes grown adults act like immature buffoons it is the discussion of politics

..and broadacsting... guilty as charged, BTW.

You wanna go broke? Buy a radio station today. Other than WYSL, of course. OK, it's altogether possible that you could get in at the bottom and ride the wave when (and if) the tide comes in. I'm wondering how some of these RF flop-houses keep the lights on, especially when you read about first quarter revenues sinking. Good radio, like all politics, is local (apologies to Tip O'Neill.) If your local car dealers and retail outlets are sucking wind, chances are your billing will reflect that too. We often get these romantic notions about buying and owning a property. The romance fades quickly as soon as the first payroll and the quarterly loan payment come due.

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

element 9

as always, well put.

 

[Savage]

"A quarterly loan payment?" Ahh, such a romantic notion.....I only wish....

Thanks, Nine, for excluding WYSL from the "distressed" club. BTW, are Elements 1 and 2 your siblings??

The problem with a lot of operators these days is that they ARE making "quarterly loan payments." (On mortgages which are due monthly.)