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Forever: The Game

Erik Lane said:
Has anyone looked into what the Waite Radio Network offer? It's unline networks like WW1 or Jones. It's all "liner-driven" & very local. Their "Oldies" format is pretty good. We run it on our AM station (WKVA Lewistown) and it's catching on nicely. Their "Genuine Classic Rock" is awesome. We run that on WCHX. You can use local DJs & their network jocks. I think it's very flexable.

Remember Rick Honea from Westwood One years ago? He's now heading Affiliate Relations at WRN. I wonder how well one of their formats would work in the State College area?

Chris Lash moved down to Tennessee last year with his wife and they bought a dark AM (WWON Waynesboro AM 930). They're using Waite for the classic country/full service format that they put on the air and it's working really well for them.
 
gargoyles said:
There's an interesting item in Forbes.com about the "next big thing" in radio is a return to locally programmed, locally staffed radio stations. It also says people are getting tired of canned, homogenized music and talk. Sounds like an opportunity, in as much as most of the day most of the local stations rely on outside programming sources (music syndicators, program syndicators, talk show syndicators, NASCAR, ESPN, Fox Sports and others.)

I would agree that would likely happen in the major markets, not so much in the small markets, who have relied on outside programming sources for years. Not because of greed, (with few exceptions) but survival.
 
shilton said:
Since you are unfamiliar (and many would say you are lucky)...shilton stands for Steve Hilton, or "Hitman" if you will. Been in this market a long time, although took several years off before returning to the airwaves about a year and a half ago at G101 (101.1FM)

Be forewarned...I can be somewhat opinionated and often manage to set people off although I am not quite sure why, as I have read things on this board where people have said far worse things than I thought came from my mouth.

Serving the community...thats a really great idea, but that means many things to many people. There are broadcasters who will tell you if you mention the forecast once an hour and give the local temperature, you have "served" the community well. I like to think it means trying to make some kind of impact when possible. Get out and push for toys-4-tots and the blood drives...talk about Joe-Pa's broken leg and the game....talk about the things that are making headlines in the CDT instead of acting like the newspaper is the enemy. Heck, I will even quote "Saw this in today's CDT"....put callers on if and when you can, etc. Not everything you do will be "great radio" or sound like "major market radio", but I have always liked to think at the end of the day, if I said one thing that made someone stop and think...or crack a smile...or want to get involved, I have done my job.

Sadly today, I think the idea of "service" is somewhat outdated by many people's standards. As long as they have a million plaques to hang on the walls from all the charities they have given airtime to for this and that...they have served their listeners well. Very sad indeed.

Steve:

Good summarization. I think it helps your image more if you embrace your newspaper competitor rather than try to bash him on the air or out on the street. In smaller markets, it's a detriment to do the latter. Too many sales reps make this mistake when they criticize a client for putting an ad in the paper. It's almost like biting the hand that feeds you.

I don't care how many plaques you have on the wall testifying to your abilities on the air. What matters is what you hear from the local chamber of commerce, civic leaders, the business and professional community, and your listeners.

Everything you just said is what's need to accomplish true localism. Proving to your community of license that you actually care about them by having a local presence will win you friends every time. Not everything you do on the air has to make money. There's certain 'gimmes' that you owe to your community, and if you can get the event sponsored, hey, it's an added bonus.

Your boss in Tyrone is a great example of that. He uses an outside programming source for most of his stations, but so what? All that's for is music, disc jockeys and national news. Each station is run very lean, but if it were not for him, there would be PLENTY of northern and central PA communities with NO local radio service, or run by operators gobbling up the channels and running them as repeaters, caring less whether they serve the community or not. Cary Simpson still does, and I GUARANTEE that at 10am, at least 90 percent of the radios in Tyrone are tuned in to WTRN to hear Jean Dixon's local news magazine!

We've already seen the ramifications of that now...broadcasters are buying up local stations and are either marketing them to a larger city, requesting COL changes, or turning them into simulcast repeaters of bigger stations. If you're licensed to a particular community, you can't serve it by having your main studio 25 miles away in another town.

The excuse I often hear is that there's no financial support in that community to keep that station going. I'm going to say that that is a bunch of HOOEY. If you can't keep that station local through local sales efforts, your reps either aren't working hard enough or they're not being given enough product to sell. You can't just sell off a ratecard to everyone and expect big results. You need to sell sponsorships for news, sports, weather, remotes (even the community-based gimmes can make you a little bit of change here and there), and even offer specials like sales blitzes...where you lock your reps in the building (preferably the conference room) for the whole day, let them dress down and bring in snacks or food, give them a fax machine, and have them work the phones all day. You offer the airtime at a clearance sale rate for THAT DAY ONLY. This allows smaller businesses who legitimately can't afford to spend a great deal on advertising the ability to do so and get real results.

Local communities deserve their own radio stations...because their communities have shrunk doesn't mean you uproot them and take them away. You just need to get more creative with your sales efforts, and run a more efficient operation if that's what it takes.
 
Forever is revealed as a essentially joke. They have set themselves up to dominate the whole of central and western PA. Yet after all the strategic plays are done they remain impotent. The "game" has become ----how to make a minimum profit for the other owners when the central decision maker is exposed as incapable? And how long do they accept the loss of income because of misdirected loyalty to a failed system?
 
OH Wise one, you are all knowing...a person with your knowledge, surely should have the chump change to buy the Forever chain and show us how it's done. We'll all be looking for the transaction to go though shortly and we'll all live happily ever after. Save us all from the Evil Empire - you are our Moses! THE END
 
Hermes said:
OH Wise one, you are all knowing...a person with your knowledge, surely should have the chump change to buy the Forever chain and show us how it's done. We'll all be looking for the transaction to go though shortly and we'll all live happily ever after. Save us all from the Evil Empire - you are our Moses! THE END

Hi Carol.
 
Chump change? I bet it is in the million$. Why do the big ticket guys allow this to continue? You don't have to be wealthy to see squandered opportunity. And now Clear Channel is flooding the market with de-valued stations. Big talk is foreverr cheap. What is next for State College? Manager retreads? or more clueless out-of-towners? It is the same old song.
 
I am one of those clueless out of towners, though I'd rather be thought of as an outside agitator, a term that gained fame during the civil rights movement and was used by the entrenched citizenry to describe anyone who wanted any change made in the social conditions.

We clueless outside agitators pay taxes, vote and live here, too. And we are part of that underserved segment that I have mentioned in this and other threads.

And odd as Forever's behavior seems, they'd probably listen to a proposal for a buyout. And even in today's relatively tight credit market, an LBO is possible. But I'd still rather see you all spend all this critical energy focused more constructively. Organize!
 
Gargy - it's a simple solution for you...either buy an XM subscription (and I'm sure you'll be posting soon to tell us how XM doesn't have enough variety in it's programming with 220 channels) or take all your hot air and try to get some front money to buy a station to do your all Asian, Punk, New Age, Classical Music station with a mix of 40's and 50's to appeal to the rich farts over 70 (all 5 of them that get diaries). Then hire a staff and urge your one employee to join the union.
 
wiseman said:
What is next for State College? Manager retreads? or more clueless out-of-towners? It is the same old song.

You're sweet as a honey bee
But like a honey bee stings
You've gone and left my heart in pain
All you left is our favorite song
The one we danced to all night long
It used to bring sweet memories
Of a tender love that used to be

Now it's the same old song
But with a different meaning
Since you been gone
It's the same old song
But with a different meaning
Since you been gone

A sentimental fool am I
to hear a old love song
And wanna cry
But the melody keeps haunting me
Reminding me how in love we used to be
Keep hearing the part that used to touch my heart
Saying together forever<-----------------------------------------
Breaking up never
 
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