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FORMAT CHANGE ALA B96

Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their format without telling anyone, they obviously realized that much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it into the mish mosh.

Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's B96 move.
 
> Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> format without telling anyone, they obviously realized that
> much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
> into the mish mosh.
>
> Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
> to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
> B96 move.
>

Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a "Flashback Weekend" on their site: <a target="_blank" href=http://www.litefm.com/main.html>http://www.litefm.com/main.html</a>

-A<P ID="signature">______________

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> > Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> > format without telling anyone, they obviously realized
> that
> > much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
> > into the mish mosh.
> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a
> "Flashback Weekend" on their site:
> http://www.litefm.com/main.html
>
> -A
>
They've been doing this for a couple weeks. Sister station WOOD-FM Grand Rapids "Star 105.7" has been doing it for awhile now.<P ID="signature">______________

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> > Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> > format without telling anyone, they obviously realized
> that
> > much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
> > into the mish mosh.
> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a
> "Flashback Weekend" on their site:
> http://www.litefm.com/main.html
>
> -A
>


Yeah, talk about a mish mosh! A station leaning toward a "Jill" format during the weekday daytime hours, toward the "Love-FM" format during the evening with Dehiah, and toward a "Jammin Oldies" format on the weekend! Just what format do they want to be??? Ugghhhh!!! I HATE brokered stations!
 
Look back in mediabase for the last few days. I'm well aware of the flashback weekends. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday are not Weekends

> > Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> > format without telling anyone, they obviously realized
> that
> > much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
> > into the mish mosh.
> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a
> "Flashback Weekend" on their site:
> http://www.litefm.com/main.html
>
> -A
>
 
How is this weekend change anything like B96?

> > Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> > format without telling anyone, they obviously realized
> that
> > much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
> > into the mish mosh.
> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a
> "Flashback Weekend" on their site:
> http://www.litefm.com/main.html
>
> -A
>
 
> > > Lite FM is now leaning very J.O. They've changed their
> > > format without telling anyone, they obviously realized
> > that
> > > much of the J.O. format does well so they've included it
>
> > > into the mish mosh.
> > >
> > > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill?
> Hilarious
> >
> > > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone.
> That's
> >
> > > B96 move.
> > >
> >
> > Hate to burst your bubble, but they're promoting a
> > "Flashback Weekend" on their site:
> > http://www.litefm.com/main.html
> >
> > -A
> >
>
>
> Yeah, talk about a mish mosh! A station leaning toward a
> "Jill" format during the weekday daytime hours, toward the
> "Love-FM" format during the evening with Dehiah, and toward
> a "Jammin Oldies" format on the weekend! Just what format
> do they want to be??? Ugghhhh!!! I HATE brokered stations!
>

The variety must be great, but it would be interesting if another ac/soft ac came into the picture.
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> Look back in mediabase for the last few days. I'm well aware
> of the flashback weekends. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
> Thursday and Friday are not Weekends
>
WLIT has been playing a number of Jammin Oldies type songs for awhile now. I don't have the privilage to look back in Mediabase but if you go look back farther I can be sure that they played a lot of that stuff in 2004 through earlier this year. They're also playing a lot of Hot AC songs (Gin Blossoms, Alanis, Green Day, Spin Doctors, Lifehouse, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Outkast, etc) The positioner is "Today's Hits & Yesterday's Favorites" which is an AC thing once used by WZSR "Star 105.5" back in the 90s when they were satellite Hot AC.

WOOD-FM in Grand Rapids "Star 105.7" also plays a lot of Jammin Oldies type songs. WOOD-FM's middays are VTed by the WLIT midday lady Robin Rock and WOOD-FM also has Flashback Weekends.<P ID="signature">______________

AIM: JeremyA1069</P>
 
They've ramped up, I'm always in Mediabase. They've ramped up considerably. There's a reason why THOSE songs have been added, found out, thanks.

> > Look back in mediabase for the last few days. I'm well
> aware
> > of the flashback weekends. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
> > Thursday and Friday are not Weekends
> >
> WLIT has been playing a number of Jammin Oldies type songs
> for awhile now. I don't have the privilage to look back in
> Mediabase but if you go look back farther I can be sure that
> they played a lot of that stuff in 2004 through earlier this
> year. They're also playing a lot of Hot AC songs (Gin
> Blossoms, Alanis, Green Day, Spin Doctors, Lifehouse, Pink,
> Gwen Stefani, Outkast, etc) The positioner is "Today's Hits
> & Yesterday's Favorites" which is an AC thing once used by
> WZSR "Star 105.5" back in the 90s when they were satellite
> Hot AC.
>
> WOOD-FM in Grand Rapids "Star 105.7" also plays a lot of
> Jammin Oldies type songs. WOOD-FM's middays are VTed by the
> WLIT midday lady Robin Rock and WOOD-FM also has Flashback
> Weekends.
>
 
> They've ramped up, I'm always in Mediabase. They've ramped
> up considerably. There's a reason why THOSE songs have been
> added, found out, thanks.

Since the book started last Thursday, I would assume they tested sometime between the 1st and the 15th. You are probably seeing the results of the implementation of a test.

Any time you see a "bunch" of changes in a station all at once, like many upward and downward rotational changes as well as adds and drops, it indicates a test has been implemented. Some of us have macros that we can run on a total list in Mediabase that show instantly the degree of change so we can tell when a competitor has tested.
 
Re: It is not a format change.

>
> Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
> to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
> B96 move.
>

Modidfying the music mix based on a new music test is hardly changing format. Anyway, listeners do not care what a format is called... they just care if a staitons plays good music for them or not. Having long discussions on whether a staiton is Urban, Churban or CHR is the stuff no listener ever even thought of, but which fuels lengthy threads on these boards.
 
Re: It is not a format change.

> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Modidfying the music mix based on a new music test is hardly
> changing format. Anyway, listeners do not care what a format
> is called... they just care if a staitons plays good music
> for them or not. Having long discussions on whether a
> staiton is Urban, Churban or CHR is the stuff no listener
> ever even thought of, but which fuels lengthy threads on
> these boards.
>

How does Lite 93.9 do normally in ratings?<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: It is not a format change.

>
> How does Lite 93.9 do normally in ratings?
>

7th or 8th in market billings, top 10 12+, ususally just in top 5 25-54. Spring book was off for them, and obviously they are adjusting. The are currently 8th 25-54. Good, but not like the 4th or 5th they had last year.
 
Re: It is not a format change.

OK. David. Next time I'll make sure everyone knows I was being absurd in describing a CHANGE IN FORMAT disguised as a shift. It was meant in jest. The ALA B96 should've been a clue. Most intelligent people in the industry know when a station shifts, B96 doesn't just shift it changes. It has and never had to change it's call letters. I use that to describe what occured. Once in a while you need to take your head out of the books and see what's happening in the real world.

It is what it is David, a format shift means a CHANGE. They're making HUGE changesm three to four to FIVE J.O. tracks an hour. Now the station is all over the place. I guess the days of actually having a format are gone.

I just wonder how much fun you'd be at a party. Wow.

> >
> > Could it be they're countering Jack with a Jill? Hilarious
>
> > to see stations change formats and not tell anyone. That's
>
> > B96 move.
> >
>
> Modidfying the music mix based on a new music test is hardly
> changing format. Anyway, listeners do not care what a format
> is called... they just care if a staitons plays good music
> for them or not. Having long discussions on whether a
> staiton is Urban, Churban or CHR is the stuff no listener
> ever even thought of, but which fuels lengthy threads on
> these boards.
>
 
I'm privvy to information regarding this that you're not - AGAIN. Take all that nonsense you talk about and save it for an area best suited for you because it doesn't apply to this situation. Stick with Reggaeton. It's going to take over the world. As you know, we can't have that or a dance station without Hispanics and you know that market better than anyone else. zzzzzzzz....

> > They've ramped up, I'm always in Mediabase. They've ramped
>
> > up considerably. There's a reason why THOSE songs have
> been
> > added, found out, thanks.
>
> Since the book started last Thursday, I would assume they
> tested sometime between the 1st and the 15th. You are
> probably seeing the results of the implementation of a test.
>
>
> Any time you see a "bunch" of changes in a station all at
> once, like many upward and downward rotational changes as
> well as adds and drops, it indicates a test has been
> implemented. Some of us have macros that we can run on a
> total list in Mediabase that show instantly the degree of
> change so we can tell when a competitor has tested.
>
 
Re: It is not a format change.

> >
> > How does Lite 93.9 do normally in ratings?
> >
>
> 7th or 8th in market billings, top 10 12+, ususally just in
> top 5 25-54. Spring book was off for them, and obviously
> they are adjusting. The are currently 8th 25-54. Good, but
> not like the 4th or 5th they had last year.
>
they do their best while in all Christmas mode...that always boosts them up.

they went from #12 to #1 (12+)in Lake Co, Indiana last winter with Xmas tunes
 
Re: It is not a format change.

> OK. David. Next time I'll make sure everyone knows I was
> being absurd in describing a CHANGE IN FORMAT disguised as a
> shift. It was meant in jest. The ALA B96 should've been a
> clue. Most intelligent people in the industry know when a
> station shifts, B96 doesn't just shift it changes. It has
> and never had to change it's call letters. I use that to
> describe what occured. Once in a while you need to take your
> head out of the books and see what's happening in the real
> world.

Whatever. The fact is, most formats that are successful and last over many years are evolutionary and go through many many changes.

This is why your B 96 example is totally off-track. CHR is the most changable "format" since the music is based on whatever is popular, and may change in style almost totally over a very short period of years... that is the entire idea of CHR.

The first "CHR" (when it was still called Top 40) played Patti Page, Billy Vaughn, Gogi Grant and such. But it was as much a CHR as today's stations as it played the big hits of that moment in time.

Change is expected, even in library based formats. A so-called soft AC, like WLIT, will not age with the listener if it can help if. If the target is 35-54, they will shed the songs that are too old over a period of years, and introduce songs that are younger. So, as some people leave the demo, they will not find the station as appealing, while people reaching the start of the demo will find that the station is inviting to them.

Oldies, on the other hand, has died because the demo target moves older every year, and has finally become top heavy with unsalable listeners.

In general, stations try to keep up with the music of their target demo, so change is constant. Further, many people already inside a demo get tired of oledr stuff, and ude to exposure, start to like newer things, giving another reason for constant change.
>
> It is what it is David, a format shift means a CHANGE.
> They're making HUGE changesm three to four to FIVE J.O.
> tracks an hour. Now the station is all over the place. I
> guess the days of actually having a format are gone.

That is a change in music blend on an existing fomrat... cleaning out some music that no longer tests and adding songs that listers TODAY want to hear. If the station is called (and who cares what the name of the fomat is) Ädult Contemporary" and the songs are adult appeal hits, then there is no format change.

Format descriptions are mostly used to tell advertisers what kind of programming a staiton has, especially when they are in a different market. The listener does not care what we call the format. All they care about is whether the music is good or not. You are the one who actually should get on the street, and you will find out that listeners, mnearly all the time, do not use "our" terms to describe formats unless, like "oldies" and "classic rock" the stations in the formats locally have used a format descriptor to position. Otherwise, listeners refer to the music based on their own taste criteria.

In the case of Lite, all that a listener might say, if they even notice the change, is that the station has gotten better or worse. It's all about the reaction of each individual listener.
 
> I'm privvy to information regarding this that you're not -
> AGAIN.

The station still targets the same ages and plays mostly the same kind of music. That is NOT a format change. It is a refresh, adjustment, or whatever. Going back in MediaBase, it looks like a classic implementation of a music test.

> Take all that nonsense you talk about and save it for
> an area best suited for you because it doesn't apply to this
> situation. Stick with Reggaeton.

tha tis only part of what I do. FYI, the LA reggaetón station is now 0.1 away from being the #1 radio station in the total market in Augugus, and is also the #1 Hispanic station for that month. It has ZERO percent non-Hispanic listening, and the audience is growing. So that kinda' blows away your comments there.

> It's going to take over the
> world.

Well, it just took over LA. That is a start.

> As you know, we can't have that or a dance station
> without Hispanics

That is not what I said. I said that you can not have a successful dance station without a Hispanic component to the audience, as Hispanics over-index in usage of such stations by betweeen 2 and 3, while Blacks severely underindex and non-Hispanic whites also underindex. Look at the audience composition of any successful dance station (in other words, WKTU, WKTU and WKTU) and the ones that were somewhat close to doing it, and you will see that, without the Hispanics, there is no chance... and that whole observation was made in light of the Hispanic migration to reggaetón as "their" dance music of today, leaving it nearly impossible for dance to work in 2005.

> and you know that market better than
> anyone else. zzzzzzzz....

As usual, you reject facts based on what listeners actually do and say when they disagree with what you would like them to say... which, apparently, has to do with supporting a dance station.

Jammin' Oldies was created as a gold based AC for Hispanic women 25-44 originally. It got adapted, of course, but the original format design was for what AMFM called Hispanic leaning AC, and they only researched assimilated Hispanic women in that age group. This was because there was a 3 share in LA just serving that core! The fact that they gave it a name does not detract form the fact that it was very much a tareted AC station.

Again, a minor migration in music is not a format change. The bigh JO songs are part of AC in many parts of the US. Big deal, nothing to see, move on.
 
Re: It is not a format change.

zzzzz.... snore. You're unbearable. All this dribble to tell us a change in the format without telling anyone is not a format change. zzzz... snore.... hiccup....


> > OK. David. Next time I'll make sure everyone knows I was
> > being absurd in describing a CHANGE IN FORMAT disguised as
> a
> > shift. It was meant in jest. The ALA B96 should've been a
> > clue. Most intelligent people in the industry know when a
> > station shifts, B96 doesn't just shift it changes. It has
> > and never had to change it's call letters. I use that to
> > describe what occured. Once in a while you need to take
> your
> > head out of the books and see what's happening in the real
>
> > world.
>
> Whatever. The fact is, most formats that are successful and
> last over many years are evolutionary and go through many
> many changes.
>
> This is why your B 96 example is totally off-track. CHR is
> the most changable "format" since the music is based on
> whatever is popular, and may change in style almost totally
> over a very short period of years... that is the entire idea
> of CHR.
>
> The first "CHR" (when it was still called Top 40) played
> Patti Page, Billy Vaughn, Gogi Grant and such. But it was as
> much a CHR as today's stations as it played the big hits of
> that moment in time.
>
> Change is expected, even in library based formats. A
> so-called soft AC, like WLIT, will not age with the listener
> if it can help if. If the target is 35-54, they will shed
> the songs that are too old over a period of years, and
> introduce songs that are younger. So, as some people leave
> the demo, they will not find the station as appealing, while
> people reaching the start of the demo will find that the
> station is inviting to them.
>
> Oldies, on the other hand, has died because the demo target
> moves older every year, and has finally become top heavy
> with unsalable listeners.
>
> In general, stations try to keep up with the music of their
> target demo, so change is constant. Further, many people
> already inside a demo get tired of oledr stuff, and ude to
> exposure, start to like newer things, giving another reason
> for constant change.
> >
> > It is what it is David, a format shift means a CHANGE.
> > They're making HUGE changesm three to four to FIVE J.O.
> > tracks an hour. Now the station is all over the place. I
> > guess the days of actually having a format are gone.
>
> That is a change in music blend on an existing fomrat...
> cleaning out some music that no longer tests and adding
> songs that listers TODAY want to hear. If the station is
> called (and who cares what the name of the fomat is) Ädult
> Contemporary" and the songs are adult appeal hits, then
> there is no format change.
>
> Format descriptions are mostly used to tell advertisers what
> kind of programming a staiton has, especially when they are
> in a different market. The listener does not care what we
> call the format. All they care about is whether the music is
> good or not. You are the one who actually should get on the
> street, and you will find out that listeners, mnearly all
> the time, do not use "our" terms to describe formats unless,
> like "oldies" and "classic rock" the stations in the formats
> locally have used a format descriptor to position.
> Otherwise, listeners refer to the music based on their own
> taste criteria.
>
> In the case of Lite, all that a listener might say, if they
> even notice the change, is that the station has gotten
> better or worse. It's all about the reaction of each
> individual listener.
>
 
>
> tha tis only part of what I do. FYI, the LA reggaetón
> station is now 0.1 away from being the #1 radio station in
> the total market in Augugus,

THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S L.A. THIS ISN'T A SURPRISE TO PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE DEAD.

> Well, it just took over LA. That is a start.

What a surprise.

I don't reject facts David, I reject you. You're a windbag. You go on and on and on citing all this crap that I'M WELL AWARE OF, you're the Al Gore of Radio. You talk down to everyone and it's ignorant. You're not Marconi or a guru. You spin data into your web of presentations to make your case which often means nothing but it sure is alot of words to read. For some reason you're forever trying to prove how much data you can store in the head of yours.
You choose to talk in Greenspan speak, I choose to speak differently.

YOU ARE NOT FATHER SUPERIOR OF DATA AND INTELLIGENCE. Your spin and your perception of reality means nothing in CHICAGO. .

From this point on I'll make sure to have a few jolt cola's before I read your epic monologues as to why you're the all knowing Eniac. zzzzz.....snore.....
 
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