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Former WBUR tower to come down

The "iconic" radio tower at Boston University's College of Communication (once used for WBUR when it was a student station) is coming down:

http://www.dailyfreepress.com/sign_of_the_times

Interesting quote from the dean: he says, "It speaks of old technology," and "In 2008, radio is old, the technology of our grandfathers." I wonder what some of the posters would think of that.
 
OK, if that's how he feels about radio, then apparently WBUR is not all that important to him. It's old technology; it's not the asset that it's hyped up to be. Maybe it's time for a break. How about if he lets it go into the hands of the community?
 
WTBU, the carrier-current AM/"leaky cable" low-power FM (and internet streaming) student station located in the building, had tried and failed to be granted an FM broadcast license in the past, mainly because there was no frequency available in the area.

If they had been granted the 100w license they had tried to apply for, perhaps they may have ended up using that tower to broadcast. If that happened, I'm sure they would now be thinking differently about radio and antenna towers being "old technology".
 
Why not lease space on the tower for cell phone use... it would MAKE the school money instead of costing it money in especially tight financial times...


Radio still beats a daily newspaper with just about ANY story that's worthwhile....and you don't have to pay or it either...


enjoy the day...
 
If they had been granted the 100w license they had tried to apply for, perhaps they may have ended up using that tower to broadcast.

Probably not, actually...WTBU didn't move into COM until 1996, and the last realistic attempt for WTBU to get a license couldn't have been long after WMBR and WUMB hit the airwaves, nearly 20 years previous. Prior to 1996, WTBU was in the Myles Standish Annex (and before that, in the Myles dorm itself, and before that, in a space in the GSU that was long-since demolished to construct the big room on the 2nd floor with the pipe organ). If anything WTBU would've shared an antenna array with WBUR on the LAW Tower (IIRC, WBUR didn't move their primary out to Needham until the late 1980's/early 1990's) or they would've put something small on top of Warren Towers (the three-spired dorm next door...built in the mid-1970's and nearly as tall as the COM tower).

In fact, Warren Towers is no small part of the reason why the COM tower is essentially useless these days. Almost anything on the COM tower has significant "shadowing" to the west because of Warren. The whip about halfway up, I'm told, is an old two-way for police (may not be in use) and there is, or was, a large microwave dish also about halfway up. IIRC, that was WBUR's old STL from the COM studios to Needham, before they moved the studios to 890 Comm Ave. I remember one of my engineer friends at WBUR joking that I could have the dish for free if I could figure out how to get it down (I think it's about 12ft in diameter). ::)


Why not lease space on the tower for cell phone use... it would MAKE the school money instead of costing it money in especially tight financial times...

BU already leases space on some of their buildings to cellphone companies. The caller density in Boston is so high that cellphone sites must be located lower to the ground to reduce their range, thus allowing for more re-use of the same frequencies in adjacent cells. So a tall tower is actually a bad idea for a wireless site. Plus you can't very well stealth a cellphone site on a tower like you can with a building or church steeple; if you look closely you'll see cell antennas well-hidden on some of the science buildings behind COM on Cummington Avenue.


OK, if that's how he feels about radio, then apparently WBUR is not all that important to him. It's old technology; it's not the asset that it's hyped up to be. Maybe it's time for a break. How about if he lets it go into the hands of the community?

This is no doubt simultaneously both caused by, and a reason why, WBUR has virtually no interaction, connection or reporting to BU's College of Communication - they answer straight to the Board of Trustees. If I remember my history, COM rather pooh-pooh WBUR back in the 1950's and early 1960's when it was almost all students. After the student antiwar riots of the 1960's, BU took away WBUR and made it professional-only in a long and messy process. COM still didn't take WBUR terribly seriously, and by the time it did there wasn't the greatest relationship as both COM and WBUR coveted more space when they were in the same building (640 Comm Ave).

Speaking of which, that "long and messy process" is - IMHO - the main reason why WTBU never had a chance at getting a real license. By the time memories cooled down, the last available frequencies were long gone.
 
aaronread said:
Probably not, actually...WTBU didn't move into COM until 1996, and the last realistic attempt for WTBU to get a license couldn't have been long after WMBR and WUMB hit the airwaves, nearly 20 years previous.

I thought they had tried, again, to apply for 100w directional on 89.3 as recently as within the past ten or fifteen years, and were shot down again. Maybe any attempt was no longer "realistic" by then.

aaronread said:
This is no doubt simultaneously both caused by, and a reason why, WBUR has virtually no interaction, connection or reporting to BU's College of Communication - they answer straight to the Board of Trustees. If I remember my history, COM rather pooh-pooh WBUR back in the 1950's and early 1960's when it was almost all students. After the student antiwar riots of the 1960's, BU took away WBUR and made it professional-only in a long and messy process. COM still didn't take WBUR terribly seriously, and by the time it did there wasn't the greatest relationship as both COM and WBUR coveted more space when they were in the same building (640 Comm Ave).

The former management seemed to try to separate the station from the University and seemed to want nothing to do with students, but the new management of the past three years has been more interactive with the University, and there have been some COM/BU students and graduates working in some behind the scenes and support capacities including writing, production, reporting, etc... at WBUR lately.
 
I thought they had tried, again, to apply for 100w directional on 89.3 as recently as within the past ten or fifteen years, and were shot down again. Maybe any attempt was no longer "realistic" by then.

Heh, that was me in 1997 when I was a student there. ;D We tried but couldn't convince WGBH or WERS to sign off on it. Without their approval, we were dead in the water...and even then the FCC probably would've rejected it. The argument was based on co-location which meant, by default, that either WERS or WGBH were going to get 2nd adjacent interference. My logic was that if you co-lo'd with WERS, that would prevent interference to them, and the 115dBu blanketing contour of WERS would be bigger than the 100dBu 2nd adjacent interference contour of this hypothetical WTBU, so technically no new interference would occur to WGBH.

Logically it probably would have worked (I never had the funds to pay for a real allocations study, which was a bigger deal in 1996-97 when high speed internet was still fairly uncommon) but the FCC doesn't want to set a precedent of allowing 2nd adjacent issues like that.
 
BTW, I had emailed Fiedler to express my displeasure and he was nice enough to write me back today. Turns out, perhaps unsurprisingly, the Freep article provided the wrong context for the quote. The context is that the tower itself is from the era of our grandfathers, and hasn't been used much since. He admitted that the wording he used was a poor choice on his part, though, regardless of the context.

So give the man some credit back...he even worked directly on the partnership between the Miami Herald and WLRN (Miami's NPR outlet).
 
I remember WTBU had just enough juice that I could pick it up for a couple thousand feet on the Mass Pike between the Beacon and St Marys bridges. :D It's been long enough now that I can't remember if it was the FM or AM signal!

I was lucky enough to have been able to broadcast from both the musty Myles Annex studios and the then sparkling-new COM facility. (Hey, Aaron!)

Leif Erickson
WTBU '95-'99
 
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