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Found this...interesting?

This is from a board called countryboards.com. I found it very intersting...

I see a lot of you getting a little ticked at my posts. I can understand that to a point, but you NEED to realize the truth. I do work for CC in programming but I'm not a PD but close to it and I don't work directly for Star or KBIG but I do have a little hand in both. So that said, I DO know what's going on here at MY place of work and I can tell you AGAIN that Star and KBIG WILL NOT be flipping to Country. It's almost becoming a joke around here with all the BS rumors we hear. Yes, it was considered at one point, but it's just not a smart business decision in a city like LA with such a high ethnic population. WE did many studies.

Here's why...
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Gotta love the tone, nice but condescending at the same time. These radio monkeys who simply parrot third hand buzz words & trite statements they over heard from their boss or copied from a memo. Look, would my horse be "Country" if I were to select a niche/option in the LA market? Probably not. At least not in the form it's being presented today. However if I were to build a Country FM in LA I would do the following.

1. Make It Country without apologies. 65% currents 36 percent gold
2. No toned down rock/AC jocks. No Bob Seger or Eagle songs.
3. Outrageously great air talent. A 24/7 morning show and more.
4. Bigger than life external promotions. Every remote would be an attention getter.
5. Morning show: Major TV/Club/media star who will draw even non country listeners in.
6. Create a station band to hit the streets and evangalize the station with live performances
7. Pursue artists who represent a diverse background, style, region of Country, Americana, etc.
8. No syndicated shows.
9. Secret Weapon strategy. Emmis forget about this!
10. Create a one-of-a-kind glass studio at major outdoor mall.
11. Build a fleet of unique one of a kind promotional vehicles.
12. Hire major (not a music performer) star as spokesman for station.
13. Utterly different slogan, imaging, etc. no 12 in-a-row bumpers
14. Form an alliance with a local TV station for cross promotional efforts and weekly TV show.

Would it be successful? Absolutely. Would anyone have the guts to make this kind of investment?.
Not on your life. I know the margins and the ethnicity realities, that doesn't frighten me at all.
I've seen more dire sitatuions than this. But, because the corporate people have neither the
huevos or understanding of how to present a winning country station in L.A., I doubt it will ever happen.
I welcome your comments.
 
doublecashkgb said:
Gotta love the tone, nice but condescending at the same time. These radio monkeys who simply parrot third hand buzz words & trite statements they over heard from their boss or copied from a memo. Look, would my horse be "Country" if I were to select a niche/option in the LA market? Probably not. At least not in the form it's being presented today. However if I were to build a Country FM in LA I would do the following.

1. Make It Country without apologies. 65% currents 36 percent gold
2. No toned down rock/AC jocks. No Bob Seger or Eagle songs.
3. Outrageously great air talent. A 24/7 morning show and more.
4. Bigger than life external promotions. Every remote would be an attention getter.
5. Morning show: Major TV/Club/media star who will draw even non country listeners in.
6. Create a station band to hit the streets and evangalize the station with live performances
7. Pursue artists who represent a diverse background, style, region of Country, Americana, etc.
8. No syndicated shows.
9. Secret Weapon strategy. Emmis forget about this!
10. Create a one-of-a-kind glass studio at major outdoor mall.
11. Build a fleet of unique one of a kind promotional vehicles.
12. Hire major (not a music performer) star as spokesman for station.
13. Utterly different slogan, imaging, etc. no 12 in-a-row bumpers
14. Form an alliance with a local TV station for cross promotional efforts and weekly TV show.

Would it be successful? Absolutely. Would anyone have the guts to make this kind of investment?.
Not on your life. I know the margins and the ethnicity realities, that doesn't frighten me at all.
I've seen more dire sitatuions than this. But, because the corporate people have neither the
huevos or understanding of how to present a winning country station in L.A., I doubt it will ever happen.
I welcome your comments.

And if you did this, you might get a 1.8 instead of a 1.7. The problem is that there is no country lifestyle group in LA, and the population numbers do not show any potential for any larger audience than what KZLA had.
 
David, your comment was to be expected. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.
 
doublecashkgb said:
David, your comment was to be expected. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis.

If you want an anlysis, I will give it. But the fact remains that over 75% of LA's population has no use for country (ethnic, immigrant, etc.) and there are not enough non-Hispanic whites to sustain such a format, no matter what you do programming wise.
 
doublecashkgb said:
1. Make It Country without apologies. 65% currents 36 percent gold

Country is a 25-54 adult format. The whole problem with country shares in recent years has been too many new artists and not enough star power. Successful country stations are about 1/3 current and recuerrent and 2/3 gold. In a market where there is no "other source" for country, playing a lot of unfamiliar songs is a kiss of death.

2. No toned down rock/AC jocks. No Bob Seger or Eagle songs.

Agree on the non-core artists, but LA is not where "hick country" with a twang works.

3. Outrageously great air talent. A 24/7 morning show and more.

Even if you get the highest TSL in the market, with the available cume base, you will not be able to afford this. KZLA overbilled its ratings because it was country, but you would have to get a 4 share to pay for that kind of talent and presentation and there is no 4 share base here.

4. Bigger than life external promotions. Every remote would be an attention getter.

We all know remots are a profit center, not a promotion. We would not do them in LA unless paid for it, or were it not a contract requirement.

5. Morning show: Major TV/Club/media star who will draw even non country listeners in.

See #3. There is no way to make country cross over in a market where country is not a lifestyle element of the market. Add to that the 75% or so who are ethnically not going to ever listen to cuntry in thier lifetime, and this is just not possible. A big LA morning show costs several million... to do that, you have to be billing over $30 million with growth potential.

6. Create a station band to hit the streets and evangalize the station with live performances

There is just no lifestyle interest. If you ar ein Austin or Birmingham or fargo, you might do this. But people who don't like country will nt stop to listen in a city where everything is too far and moves too fast. Preaching to the choir would be the end result.

7. Pursue artists who represent a diverse background, style, region of Country, Americana, etc.

With the market... and I think I said this... 75% totally foreign to country... there is no way to evangelize.

8. No syndicated shows.

You have obviously not looked at the new cume syndicated shows bring to "no listening" dayparts like Sat and Sun nights or Sunday morning. They are the best way to get a cume magnet going.

9. Secret Weapon strategy. Emmis forget about this!

I have no idea what this means, so can not answer. Do you mean "guerilla marketing?" That only works in competitive situations against a direct competitor.

10. Create a one-of-a-kind glass studio at major outdoor mall.

95% of the population would never see it. And malls go for tennants that pay a percentage of gross, not radio stations.

11. Build a fleet of unique one of a kind promotional vehicles.

To be seen effectively, you would need about 25 to 30 in LA, with double shifts. A staff of 100... insurance, prizing, etc. Nobody can do this. LA is to big, and even the highest biller can't do this.
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12. Hire major (not a music performer) star as spokesman for station.

TV is not efficient to reach country listeners. It has too much spillage and is very expensive. A spokesperson that is really expensive is another example of preaching to the choir.

13. Utterly different slogan, imaging, etc. no 12 in-a-row bumpers

"Oh, I listen to the new Country 104.3 because they have such great sweepers."

14. Form an alliance with a local TV station for cross promotional efforts and weekly TV show.

No TV station in LA except, maybe, KDOC, would want to be perceived as the "hick channel." Kiss of death.


Would it be successful? Absolutely.

Absolutely not. Same 1.7 or lower share, and $10 to $15 million more in expenses. There is no core for cuntry here. Do it on the very cheap, and you can make money for a while... but the country core is leaving the market. It's, negatively, called "white flight."


Would anyone have the guts to make this kind of investment?.

No, nobody would be convinced by the cost vs. return after looking at market demos.

Not on your life. I know the margins and the ethnicity realities, that doesn't frighten me at all.
I've seen more dire sitatuions than this. But, because the corporate people have neither the
huevos or understanding of how to present a winning country station in L.A., I doubt it will ever happen.
I welcome your comments.

Why, when the average FM has 40% and better margins, even with Star-like numbers, would you want to have a station that probably would barely break even?
 
You know very little about hypertargeting the core audience.

I am not interested in coaxing people not disposed to the music/lifestyle.

The morning should would be the exception, btw I am not neccessarily interested in running the morning show
exclusively from L.A. My station would not be paying anywhere near 2 million dollars.
It's real interesting how you jump to absurd conclusions.

From 11am-5am I would have local talent, but your estimates of cost are way off. Your model is wrong. You
assume I would promote the station in what South-Central ?.

100 employees, now that is laughable. Not even close. Obviously you need to get back in the trenches and off your ass. Your assumptions are just plain wrong.

The studio would be a nice promotional, but also a tool for direct sales. Once again you're wrong about malls, not all malls are based on that model.

As far as your guess at what Emmis failed to do, it had nothing to do with having a direct competitor.
Wrong again.

I said I wouldn't use syndicated progamming, didn't mean I wouldn't utilize other methods for bringing in new cume streams.

Who said I would use TV exclusively in terms of the spokes person?. David, your age is starting to show.
I could count the ways, a spokes person could be presented and TV is not neccesarily the first!

Your negativie stereotypes of "Country Listeners" as "hicks" is at the core of this issue. You are not
only wrong about no station having interest, you have no idea how this model would work. You're seams are starting to show. Getting a little sloppy in your old age, huh?

As I stated from the start, Country would not be my first choice. However, with the right ownership.
It could be done, a 4 share is not neccessary btw. David, I wonder, you must not be getting much
attention these days from your employers. I think you're played out.
 
David,

Are you stuck in 1946? If not why do you continue to use words like "hick" or "twang" when discussing modern country music.

Please tell me what is hick about Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Keith Urban, Faith Hill, etc.
 
doublecashkgb said:
You know very little about hypertargeting the core audience.

I have been "superserving the core" in vastly more comepetitive markets where there were 40 or so viable signals for 4 decades.

I am not interested in coaxing people not disposed to the music/lifestyle.

Well, then look at the demos. There are not enough people disposed to the music in the market to do any better than KZLA did, no matter how much you spend.


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The morning should would be the exception, btw I am not neccessarily interested in running the morning show
exclusively from L.A. My station would not be paying anywhere near 2 million dollars.
It's real interesting how you jump to absurd conclusions. [/quote]

So you say "no syndication" and yet you want a syndicated morning show. Please, be consistent.

Since LA is not a country market, you are virtually obligated to do a local morning show as one from anywhere else is going to be inappropriate for this market. You can not split this argument two ways at your convenience.

From 11am-5am I would have local talent, but your estimates of cost are way off. Your model is wrong. You
assume I would promote the station in what South-Central ?.

If you want talent that is both country and good, you will have to pay the price of bringing people to LA. And that means vastly higher salries when the $250,000 home in Chicago is $1.8 million here. And you will be even more limited by having to find country talent that is not "too rural" for Tinseltown.

100 employees, now that is laughable. Not even close. Obviously you need to get back in the trenches and off your ass. Your assumptions are just plain wrong.

I have run a promotion team in LA and one year did over 300 events myself. This metro is so big, you can not cover it consistently and visibly without a lot of vehicles on double shifts 7 days a week. The area is bigger than some states, you know. And there _are_ country partisans in Downey and South gate and West Covina and Pacoima... non-Hispanic whites who can not afford to move and who are part of mixed neighborhoods. You need to look at the KZLA ZIPs again. Some are very surprising if you think South Central is "just Black."

The studio would be a nice promotional, but also a tool for direct sales. Once again you're wrong about malls, not all malls are based on that model.

Any mall where the image would be enhanced would be one where rents include revenue participation. Essentially, that means all closed malls in the market are on that basis... even the new model of open air Big Box malls use revenue as part of the rent formula. In other words, you would either not find a good one, or you would pay way more than radio could afford.

As far as your guess at what Emmis failed to do, it had nothing to do with having a direct competitor.
Wrong again.

No, it had to do with not enough people in the target. Emmis did a good job, and Emmis is one of the few broadcast companies run by a programmer (Rick Cummings) so you know they did not skimp on programming and did what the listener base wanted.


I said I wouldn't use syndicated progamming, didn't mean I wouldn't utilize other methods for bringing in new cume streams.

Right. Don't look at what I do, look at what I say. This is doubletalk.

Who said I would use TV exclusively in terms of the spokes person?. David, your age is starting to show.
I could count the ways, a spokes person could be presented and TV is not neccesarily the first!

How else can you use a spokesperson? On billboards? In magazines? On bumper stickers? As a v/o talent for the sweepers? Country is already of limited appeal, so why would you use a non-country spokesperson when you are trying to sell the music? The CMA was so anxious to preserve country in LA and still they could not help KZLA enough to keep the station viable, despite big name talent supporting the station.

Your negativie stereotypes of "Country Listeners" as "hicks" is at the core of this issue.

No, reread the post. I said the "redneck" or "rural" approach will not work in LA. Overalls and chewing tobacco are not part of country in LA, so the "back home" appraoch will not work. It has to be "urban country" but there are just not enough potential cumers.

You are not
only wrong about no station having interest, you have no idea how this model would work. You're seams are starting to show. Getting a little sloppy in your old age, huh?

No, I am realistic about the demos.

As I stated from the start, Country would not be my first choice.

Then why even bring it up? It will not work well... unless you are currently billing under $20 million and have a full B FM, it makes no sens, as the loss in revuenue during the changeover can never be amortized. KKLA might be a station that could do it, but it is unlikely Salem would. For any other station, it is not a very bright move (which does not mean it will not be done...)

However, with the right ownership.
It could be done, a 4 share is not neccessary btw.

To do what you describe is too expensive to sustain without big shares.






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briancraig said:
David,

Are you stuck in 1946? If not why do you continue to use words like "hick" or "twang" when discussing modern country music.

Please tell me what is hick about Rascal Flatts, Carrie Underwood, Keith Urban, Faith Hill, etc.

I was referring to the approach to programming, not the artists. "Hick" simply means a rural "down home" approach to the presentation, including the stereotypical country accent or drawl. What works in Meridian or Valdosta will not work in LA. You just can not use a "y'all" style where there is no real lifestyle group.

Otherwise, the listeners will perceive the programming to be "hick" and unacceptable. You need to understand that this is a term listeners will use if the programming is not "urban country" enough.
 
It simply boggles my mind that an obviously bright and experienced programmer misses it on so many levels.
It's also fascinating that an attempt is being made to steer this into yet another hispanic vs. non hispanic listening debate....

A few points.....

OldGringo said:
The whole problem with country shares in recent years has been too many new artists and not enough star power. Successful country stations are about 1/3 current and recuerrent and 2/3 gold. In a market where there is no "other source" for country, playing a lot of unfamiliar songs is a kiss of death.

Well the same basic point could be said for Top 40.
But no country star power?? Really?? Have you looked at the Top 200 albums selling in the US?
Do you see any relationship between the country music sold vs. latin music? Break it down to LA or NY if you think the reason is everything is selling in Tulsa and Knoxville.


Even if you get the highest TSL in the market, with the available cume base, you will not be able to afford this. KZLA overbilled its ratings because it was country, but you would have to get a 4 share to pay for that kind of talent and presentation and there is no 4 share base here.

Is that so? Everyone with well paid talent in LA has a 4 share?? Well....good thing KZLA had a 4 share before so that
they could afford Dees. C'mon....companies can front the $$ for talent they think will enhance ratings.


5. Morning show: Major TV/Club/media star who will draw even non country listeners in

See #3. There is no way to make country cross over in a market where country is not a lifestyle element of the market. Add to that the 75% or so who are ethnically not going to ever listen to cuntry in thier lifetime, and this is just not possible. A big LA morning show costs several million... to do that, you have to be billing over $30 million with growth potential.

Where did you pull the 75% number from? Oh right.........


I have no idea what this means, so can not answer. Do you mean "guerilla marketing?" That only works in competitive situations against a direct competitor.

Not true really. "guerilla" marketing is simply.....marketing. And aggressive, focused marketing doesnt need a direct competitor to be effective....it just needs to create a bit of excitement.

10. Create a one-of-a-kind glass studio at major outdoor mall.
95% of the population would never see it. And malls go for tennants that pay a percentage of gross, not radio stations.

But you have seen them......and they are interesting. Some legendary stations have done it.
And 95% of the overall population doesn't listen to a specific station anyway...so what the hell.

11. Build a fleet of unique one of a kind promotional vehicles.
To be seen effectively, you would need about 25 to 30 in LA, with double shifts. A staff of 100... insurance, prizing, etc. Nobody can do this. LA is to big, and even the highest biller can't do this.

C'mon...you picked the 25 to 30 number out of thin air. Maybe he could get Dennis Woodruff to drive it. (Know who he is)?
Seriously, you'd need 30 Batmobiles to get attention in LA?

12. Hire major (not a music performer) star as spokesman for station
TV is not efficient to reach country listeners. It has too much spillage and is very expensive. A spokesperson that is really expensive is another example of preaching to the choir.

David....it is the MOST efficient way.
And of course you preach to the choir!!


I was referring to the approach to programming, not the artists. "Hick" simply means a rural "down home" approach to the presentation, including the stereotypical country accent or drawl. What works in Meridian or Valdosta will not work in LA. You just can not use a "y'all" style where there is no real lifestyle group.

I don't want to resurrect the "gringo" debate. But suffice it to say that "hick" is an American slang term that does not in actuality mean what you suggest. It is a derogatory term used to describe a person who displays a lack of urban sophistication or education. I know you used it to refer to programming, but its frightening to think how you might describe stations that target African-American listeners.
 
The whole problem with country shares in recent years has been too many new artists and not enough star power. Successful country stations are about 1/3 current and recuerrent and 2/3 gold. In a market where there is no "other source" for country, playing a lot of unfamiliar songs is a kiss of death.

Well the same basic point could be said for Top 40.

You missed the main point. Too many new songs and new artists (2/3 current was the suggestion) in a very adult format is a kiss of death. Younger CHR listeners have a certain expectation of hearing new things, while more mature liteners in any format prefer familiar favorites over unfamiliar songs.

The "new artist" thing has been a subject at CRS for the last decade; not enough star power on the playlists and too many new artists that "confuse" listeners.

But no country star power?? Really?? Have you looked at the Top 200 albums selling in the US?
Do you see any relationship between the country music sold vs. latin music? Break it down to LA or NY if you think the reason is everything is selling in Tulsa and Knoxville
.

"Latin" is not a music genre. It is made up of pop, ballads, oldies, salsa, merengue, reggaetón, norteña, ranchera, banda, duranguense, cumbia, bachatata, etc. All are different kinds of music, just as country and alternative are different kinds of music.

Even if you get the highest TSL in the market, with the available cume base, you will not be able to afford this. KZLA overbilled its ratings because it was country, but you would have to get a 4 share to pay for that kind of talent and presentation and there is no 4 share base here.[/color

Is that so? Everyone with well paid talent in LA has a 4 share?? Well....good thing KZLA had a 4 share before so that
they could afford Dees. C'mon....companies can front the $$ for talent they think will enhance ratings.


The operation being described with spokespeople, million dollar mall studios, tons of vehicles, imported staff, etc., would need a very high ratings level to sustain it.

See #3. There is no way to make country cross over in a market where country is not a lifestyle element of the market. Add to that the 75% or so who are ethnically not going to ever listen to cuntry in thier lifetime, and this is just not possible. A big LA morning show costs several million... to do that, you have to be billing over $30 million with growth potential.

Where did you pull the 75% number from? Oh right.........

I got it from summing the groups who have nearly zero interest in country. 42% Hispanic, 9% Black, 12% Asian, plus about 12% Arab, Persian, Armenian, Russian and other non-Hispanic and non-Asian immigrants. You have 75% of the market having literally no country interest, and only a fragment of the remaining non-Hispoanic white audience as a potential. This is why KZLA got a 1.6 or 1.7.


I have no idea what this means, so can not answer. Do you mean "guerilla marketing?" That only works in competitive situations against a direct competitor.


Not true really. "guerilla" marketing is simply.....marketing. And aggressive, focused marketing doesnt need a direct competitor to be effective....it just needs to create a bit of excitement.

Guerilla marketing is an industry term applied to doing promotional activities that are not always visible to competitors. If you have no competitors, you do not need to "hide" marketing from them.

But you have seen them......and they are interesting. Some legendary stations have done it
And 95% of the overall population doesn't listen to a specific station anyway...so what the hell.


In other words, nobody would see it, and it would cost a fortune. In LA, there are 6 stations that are heard by over 10% of the listenership, and 23 (including those 6) that reach OVER 5% of the "overall population" so I do not get the point about 95% not listening to a specific station as that is just wrong.

To be seen effectively, you would need about 25 to 30 in LA, with double shifts. A staff of 100... insurance, prizing, etc. Nobody can do this. LA is to big, and even the highest biller can't do this.

C'mon...you picked the 25 to 30 number out of thin air. Maybe he could get Dennis Woodruff to drive it. (Know who he is)?
Seriously, you'd need 30 Batmobiles to get attention in LA?


No, I looked at how many ZIP code clusters KZLA performed in, and estimated transit time and two visits a week to each roughly 4 square mile area... plus costs of prizing (even cheapo water bottles and T's.) Add in labor, insurance, cost of vehicles, wraps (at $5 thousand each, approximately) and such. It is unaffordable.


12. Hire major (not a music performer) star as spokesman for station

TV is not efficient to reach country listeners. It has too much spillage and is very expensive. A spokesperson that is really expensive is another example of preaching to the choir.

David....it is the MOST efficient way.
And of course you preach to the choir!!


I thiought you wanted to grwo the audience? TV, in amarket where the lifestyle group is so small, is not efficient. The cost per potential listener is enormous. Direct mail with a contest, targeted boards, etc., is more efficient for niche formats.

I don't want to resurrect the "gringo" debate. But suffice it to say that "hick" is an American slang term that does not in actuality mean what you suggest. It is a derogatory term used to describe a person who displays a lack of urban sophistication or education. I know you used it to refer to programming, but its frightening to think how you might describe stations that target African-American listeners.

OK, I used the wrong term. I was trying to use the very term that most LA listeners would apply to a a traditional execution of a country format... too "down home" and not enough "uptown" for the market. In my experience in country, there is a sensitivity to not sounding "hick" even in smaller markets...

At my first radio job I was the token white at an r&b station... and I did Afro-Antillean formats for decades in the Caribbean, so your suggestion otherwise is just a jab.

"Hick" is a valid term for an unsopohisticated rube in the big city... exactly the type of radio persona that a country station has to stay away from. The term is describtive, as in "hick town" meaing a backwater, a palce noted for no sophistication or unique quality. A "hick-sounding" station in LA would do even worse than KZLA.
 
I am convinced he honestly does not mean to be racist, in the same way that southerners tossed out the word "boy" in the 50s and 60s.

I do not think he has a mean bone in his body - certainly not ever evidenced here.

But sometimes he is wrong, set in the old ways, and will not admit it.

And I guess it's inflammatory to remind him if how badly he lost the argument, and disappeared for 2 weeks, and then chose a new name that unwittingly insults himself - poor fool.
 
Everytime I read posts by unnamed posters I'm reminded of Dino in the Flintstones Cartoons where he's upset and go's off barking like he does. Its a noise burned into the sountrack of our lives. After a while we all just tune the noise out. Lets just stick to facts! Seen any good Flintstones cartoons lately? Red Neck, Gringo, Hick, Honky, whatever! Its all in the context the term is used that makes it offensive to the one being spoken to or about! Let's all be friends already!
 
Yeah, I find it VERY interesting that "OldGringo" keeps defending himself! Dude, give it up! You're acting like a child. I mean, the first time was fine, but 2 and 3 times! Geez!!!

And, if I had to "side" with anyone on this matter, it wouldn't be "OldGringo"

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It is time to face the music....

So Cal... MOViN' killed KZLA
No Cal... MOViN' killed KFRC

No matter how much bickering, "good Ideas" for bringing back the station(s), posting arguments for the return of Country on KZLA or Oldies on KFRC it is not gonna to happen. Other stations will come and go. It is the business. It is out of our hands.

KZLA and KFRC are gone... Done... History... Kaput... Finished.

Treat it like a funeral. Pay our respects, share our memories and (sorry) MOVE on.
 
It's not about the listeners, demographics or anything else. Can the station make money? So what if a station consistently makes a 1.4-1.8. Lingering in the bottom third of the ratings isn't a bad thing if you know how to SELL! Treat the advertisers like gold. Listeners are a discretionary tool to be used and abused for all their worth (which really isn't much)! Listeners are usually a parasite on the station. You have the same handful of listeners calling in to win all the contests and they never get the ratings diaries. Everybody else is gone! Nobody cares if a station format is country, AOR, CHR or whatever. They listen for traffic reports and an occasional smattering of news. Anything else is noise. BACKGROUND NOISE!
if listeners were paying my bills I would cater to them (and probably be a public radio station). ADVERTISING IS WHAT I SELL! I sell air! I sell time! I sell a non-tangeble item! I have discovered that you don't need ratings to sell a station. I always have my sales staff go around agencies and directly to the clients. 75% of the business we get on my stations is agency placed but not because of my ratings or because of my stellar airstaff. I hire the craftiest sales staff I can find and tell them to "make friends" with the client before pitching the station. Sometimes it takes time but any good investment does. I am not in broadcasting, I am an INVESTOR. There is no other way to sell and it always works. Radio needs to define just exactly WHO it's customers are...and, from where I stand, it isn't listeners. They are all migrating to IPODS and CD's and the internet.
 
Surfer said:
ADVERTISING IS WHAT I SELL! I sell air! I sell time! I sell a non-tangeble item! I have discovered that you don't need ratings to sell a station.

Well said... Great points in your entire post, Surfer. It's amazing what a good salesperson can do with a POS radio station. I've done it .. I've seen others do it ... all very successfully. Much of it is that YOU the salesperson is part of the product!! This is a concept you and I can wrap our arms around while the bean counters and pencil pushers can only theorize.
 
Ditto what SuperFan said...

From "my" side of the building, we rely on the sales staff to be the front line out there on the streets. For many, they are the first physical contact someone will make with our radio station.

I love salespeople who do it WITHOUT THE BOOK! The ones who know every cool song you play, every benchmark throughout the day...they can tell you the punchline from today's morning show AND can pitch (effectively) who we are and the people we can attract to their business.

To GMs/SMs/LSMs/GSMs/etc:

Hire a fan of the station to rep in your market, not just another pitchman. It really does make a difference.
 
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