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Four Types of on-air talent

In my estimation, there are four types of on-air talent:


1Amateur Andy. Amateur Andy may have worked in this business for ten years, but he sounds like he's been at it for only ten days. He's gotten a marginal to poor voice quality, has no grasp of formatics, not really gifted with the English language, probably has some sort of "local" accent. He generally rambles a lot or goes the other direction, going directly into spots without talking. There aren't as many "Andys" around anymore. You'll find them in the tiniest of markets on stations that aren't already totally on the bird. There were more "Andys" when the demand for weekend and part-time talent came close to exceeding the supply in the late 80s and early 90s. The only reason Andy ever had a job is because no one else wanted to work at his station in his market and time slot for minimum wage.

2. Liner card Larry. Larry doesn't sound bad, just bland. He doesn't have a great grasp of radio, either, but knows how to follow directions and he can read. When Larry occasionally tries to deviate from the cards, he usually falls flat on his face. Most "Larrys" are gone as well because it is so easy to replace them with voice-tracking.

3. Verbose Vern. Vern actually can be pretty talented, but some "Verns" have little or no talent. He's never taken any direction because he knows in his heart he's good. As his name describes, he talks a lot, about the things that interest only Vern, for as long as Vern feels like talking about them. There are fewer Verns today because there are fewer people around who have the time to manage Vern. Sometimes A "Vern" can be very successful in the right time slot, in the right market, on the right station, with the right management. That market won't be an Arbitron PPM market, however, because the PPM has Verns for lunch. Mostly, these days "Verns" are no longer in radio.

Personality Pete. Personality Pete has that rare quality of knowing the creative part of being on-air doesn't start three seconds before you open the mike. He greatly believes in show prep and realizes that observing every day life can be some of the best prep. He knows radio and understands the formatics and rules. He so well versed on the rules, that he knows that occasionally you can break those rules for a great payoff. He keeps up to date with pop culture and major headlines and incorporates them whenever they comfortably can be inserted in his breaks. He knows the market and its landmarks and towns and constantly tries to slip in local references. He knows who his target demo is and filters every thing he says we with that demo in mind. He actually answers the phone and is great at grabbing a quip clip to use in a talk-over. He writes his breaks down, then edits them to get rid of wasted words. Many times he'll actually rehearse the break before doing it live He tries to find the most colorful verbs and adjectives to make his short breaks have a punch and by doing so has a feel of unpredictability. He's not afraid of letting himself shine through from time to time and by doing so sounds like a real person. He combs the music log before his shift so he never throws away a great intro. He sounds like he is having fun, because, well he is! Sometimes Pete can be voice-tracked, but you can't tell....
 
These days any of the 4 types of air talents will find more money and job security as an employee of their local super market.
 
And some spend time voicing their expert opinions on Radio-Info. (Not to insinuate the previous post is one of them.)
 
Mike Sheridan said:
These days any of the 4 types of air talents will find more money and job security as an employee of their local super market.
And therein lies at least part of the problem. Because of the ridiculously low pay in radio, the first three cannot afford to stay in "the biz" long enough to develop their talent (if they actually have any), to become "Personality Pete." Now, one could make the case that this is part of the "weeding out" process, but I have said for quite some time now that the "bullpen" in radio is becoming quite thin, because most of us just simply cannot wait for our "big break." That's bad news for radio, not for us as individuals, because many of us can, and will, and have, go or gone on to greatness in some other unrelated field. Where will the next generation of radio talent come from? The son of the GM who can apparently afford to work for nothing?
 
Of course, if you believe all the doom & gloom that is being spouted about, there may not be a need for another generation of radio talent. Because radio will be dead in 5 years as we know it.
 
From today's DCRTV.com:
MMJ Fires Airstaff - 6/23 - DCRTV hears that Radio One is making some big changes at (Washington D.C.)adult urban contemporary WMMJ, Majic 102.3. With the exception of the syndicated Tom Joyner in mornings, it's going "all music all the time." All of the local jocks have been let go, including Olivia Foxx, Suge, Mike Chase, Alvin John Waples, as well as Music Director Chris Harris. Weekenders gone, too. A Radio One source tells DCRTV that the station, which recently ranked 2nd in the DC market PPMs, saw a recent ratings spike when it cut back DJ banter. "So the ax came calling".....

This is the writing on the wall. Listeners don't care about DJ talk unless it is short, relatable to them, and compelling. Today's generation does not have to have a DJ. it is totally optional, unlike the old days. "O.K and average" is not good enough to warrant having a DJ. The only jock who has a chance is "Personality Pete". Amateur Andy, Liner card Larry and Verbose Vern are history!
 
firepoint525 said:
Mike Sheridan said:
These days any of the 4 types of air talents will find more money and job security as an employee of their local super market.
And therein lies at least part of the problem. Because of the ridiculously low pay in radio

Do y'all understand that compensation for air talent is a negotiating process? I'm guessing that a whole lot of folks never have understood this--that they think "radio pay" is sort of like working at Giant or Tyco or Taco Bell--an iron-clad "pay scale." Take it or leave it.

Employers start negotiation at the bottom end. If you take their low-ball offer, the negotiation is done--and they chuckle and you try to find roommates to share your one-bedroom trailer... and moaning about "ridiculously low pay in radio" the rest of your miserable life.

But if you have value to offer and can persuade & convince the employer of your significant worth to the employer's enterprise, you win. And by winning I mean that you can make good money in radio.

Remember, radio managers/executives all came up through sales. They love negotiation--because they're good at it (that's how they kept getting promoted). Yes, that does make the task difficult for jocks who have never negotiated anything beyond that '88 Taurus in the parking lot, but... it's how real life works.
 
Um, yeah, okay, whatever. ::)

Ask for too much money, and they will replace you with Amateur Andy or Liner Card Larry. The GMs (and the owners) just want the shifts covered for the least amount of $ possible. Drive too hard of a bargain, and you have just opened the door for a 19-year-old (who still lives in his parents' basement at home) to replace you. I've seen it happen.

That's why turnover at stations is quite high!
 
Better suggestion....Learn to SELL....Then the skys the limit.
A successful sales person will NEVER be without a job.
 
Ask for too much money, and they will replace you with Amateur Andy or Liner Card Larry

No, I think you missed his point. If you negotiate, you can get more money in many cases. This is the dirty little secret management doesn't want you to know. They know that most on-air people are insecure, have low self esteem, their identities are tied to their jobs and in essence they are terrible negotiators! Believe me, as a 25 year management vet, when someone comes and turns in their resignation, you want to keep them, even when they are not your favorite employee. It's a strange facet of human nature...the take away. If you are a valuable employee, they'll try to keep you if at all possible. Hint:When interviewing, get as much as you think you can up front. It's your best time to negotiate and you'll probably never be able to make up lost ground later. However, if you suck...good luck!
 
RockofHBG said:
Ask for too much money, and they will replace you with Amateur Andy or Liner Card Larry

No, I think you missed his point. If you negotiate, you can get more money in many cases. This is the dirty little secret management doesn't want you to know. They know that most on-air people are insecure, have low self esteem, their identities are tied to their jobs and in essence they are terrible negotiators! Believe me, as a 25 year management vet, when someone comes and turns in their resignation, you want to keep them, even when they are not your favorite employee. It's a strange facet of human nature...the take away. If you are a valuable employee, they'll try to keep you if at all possible. Hint:When interviewing, get as much as you think you can up front. It's your best time to negotiate and you'll probably never be able to make up lost ground later. However, if you suck...good luck!

Bingo.

And your last line is a bullseye, too. This is a talent biz--like singin' or dancin' or carrying a football. If you've got talent, you've got negotiating leverage. If you suck, you don't. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot of people who would love to be on-air but who are not blessed with the talent to be a good/great radio AT. If they recognized that fact, they might focus on other career paths. They're sort of like the D-III running back who keeps going to NFL tryout sessions until he's 30... or the gal singing every night down at the Holiday Inn waiting for a Sony A&R exec to show up in Camp Hill...

Talented jocks make a good living in radio. It's that talent that allows them to negotiate successfully.
 
4 types...
1.Voice Tracked
2. Part-Time
3. On Unemployment Benefits
4. Shift Manager at Burger King

Being on the higher end of the 25-54 demo, radio as we knew it is d.o.a.
Quit wishing for a miracle, it wont happen.
Quit thinking it will come back around, it won't
This generation of "air talent" grew up reading liner cards, very few have any personality that would make someone want to listen.
If there are any good ones left, they are in syndication and sound very vanilla.

If you still feel the urge to express yourself and you think you have something important to say, do a podcast.

For now, you are competing with:
Iphone, Ipod, Ipad
Sirius/XM
Any MP3 player
Pandora

But who knows...you might just the one.
 
RockofHBG said:
Ask for too much money, and they will replace you with Amateur Andy or Liner Card Larry
No, I think you missed his point. If you negotiate, you can get more money in many cases. This is the dirty little secret management doesn't want you to know. They know that most on-air people are insecure, have low self esteem, their identities are tied to their jobs and in essence they are terrible negotiators! Believe me, as a 25 year management vet, when someone comes and turns in their resignation, you want to keep them, even when they are not your favorite employee. It's a strange facet of human nature...the take away. If you are a valuable employee, they'll try to keep you if at all possible. Hint:When interviewing, get as much as you think you can up front. It's your best time to negotiate and you'll probably never be able to make up lost ground later. However, if you suck...good luck!
I believe "grandoleopry" had it right. Learning to sell is where it's at!
 
jharmon said:
4 types...
1.Voice Tracked
2. Part-Time
3. On Unemployment Benefits
4. Shift Manager at Burger King

LOL! Just crapped my pants from laughing so hard!
But it is pretty much true! ;)
 
jharmon said:
4 types...
1.Voice Tracked
2. Part-Time
3. On Unemployment Benefits
4. Shift Manager at Burger King

Being on the higher end of the 25-54 demo, radio as we knew it is d.o.a.
Quit wishing for a miracle, it wont happen.
Quit thinking it will come back around, it won't
This generation of "air talent" grew up reading liner cards, very few have any personality that would make someone want to listen.
If there are any good ones left, they are in syndication and sound very vanilla.

If you still feel the urge to express yourself and you think you have something important to say, do a podcast.

For now, you are competing with:
Iphone, Ipod, Ipad
Sirius/XM
Any MP3 player
Pandora

But who knows...you might just the one.

You left some things out. Anyone with the talent to be the one to beat those odds will make more money, with more security, in some other branch of show business. Radio DJ's will soon be joining vaudeville emcees in the "what ever happened to..." hall of fame.
 
Talk_Dude said:
Radio DJ's will soon be joining vaudeville emcees in the "what ever happened to..." hall of fame.

If you follow the four types listed at the start of this thread, you're probably right.

But if you reinvent the DJ into something that is actually useful, that works on multiple platforms, that blogs, tweets, edits video, and does personal appearances (which most talent abhor), you might be around for a while. And yes, learn to sell. Learn to sell yourself for starters.

You need to be able to do things they can't do. Start thinking outside the box. The company that used to make buggy whips found a much bigger market when they appealed to the S&M population. So if radio doesn't need humans to segue the records any more, perhaps there's something else you can do in the building. Look around.
 
TheBigA said:
Talk_Dude said:
Radio DJ's will soon be joining vaudeville emcees in the "what ever happened to..." hall of fame.

If you follow the four types listed at the start of this thread, you're probably right.

But if you reinvent the DJ into something that is actually useful, that works on multiple platforms, that blogs, tweets, edits video, and does personal appearances (which most talent abhor), you might be around for a while.

Yes, you are correct. Turn something into something different, and when the original thing goes away, you won't be the original thing, you'll be the new thing.
 
TheBigA said:
But if you reinvent the DJ into something that is actually useful, that works on multiple platforms, that blogs, tweets, edits video, and does personal appearances (which most talent abhor), you might be around for a while.

OK, by the time you're done blogging, tweeting, editing video, and doing personal appearances, THERE IS NO TIME TO DO ANY OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU A GOOD JOCK LIKE PERSONALITY PETE.

Besides, how many things actually work across multiple platforms? Johnny Carson didn't sing, Celine Dion doesn't do ventriloquism, Sean Hannity doesn't dance, and Hillary Clinton doesn't model swimwear.

It's not what they're truly talented at. Ever read a book and found it fascinating? Then you see the author on TV and he's lamer than lame? And you're like, "Dude, stick to writing."
 
There is only value in a talent if people actually want it. If your talent is blowing smoke out your ears, you may not get rich.

Today, there isn't much demand for a personality oriented DJ. Why? Because one man's humor is another man's insult. One man's clever is another man's annoying. Tolerance is at an all time low in this country. If lots of people don't agree that you're brilliant, you're better off keeping the mouth shut. Right now, a guy with a radio show has no more credibility than a blogger or someone like me on a message board. And personality only works if you have credibility. And most DJs have none.

So employers are looking for talent that can build a fan base, and the best way to do that is in social networking. If it worked for Taylor Swift, it can work for a jock on the radio.
 
Taylor Swift needs social networking to build a fan base. Without Pro Tools she has problems singing on key. Just watch any live awards show.
 
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