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FOX DOWN 16.6% THIS SEASON !!!

Thru week 5 as reported by TV BY THE NUMBERS (compaired to last year) 18-49 viewers

UNI +13.7% Univision
CW +2.6%
NBC +3.9%
CBS +0.8%
ABC -7.6%
FOX -16.6%

Forget the idea of moving beyond 10PM, they need to FIX 8-10PM first!
 
A good start would be canceling that "Raising Hope." Feels like something that might belong on ABC, in the vein of "Desperate Housewives" or "Ugly Betty".
 
PTBoardOp94 said:
A good start would be canceling that "Raising Hope." Feels like something that might belong on ABC, in the vein of "Desperate Housewives" or "Ugly Betty".

Cancel the one show that is actually up in the time period? Wow, glad you're not programming Fox.

Now, Running Wilde should be canceled. And they screwed up with Lone Star. And The Good Guys should be canceled soon as well.

Combine that with the fact that House is down 34% over last season, and I believe Glee is down, and it's not hard to see why Fox is down so much.

Of course, it will be interesting to see what happens when the post-cablevision numbers start coming in, or what happens when Dish actually drops them on Monday.
 
"Raising Hope" is not that bad. It's similar to "My Name Is Earl" and I think from the same folks who created Earl. "Going Wilde" is just a big mess. Strange name, strange concept, strange plots. It won't be around much longer.

Fox can look forward to the Super Bowl in February and their old secret weapon "American Idol" which is really getting lame......Glee is also working for them.

NOT WORKING TOO GOOD: old tired cop shows on Sat., old cartoons on Sun., House, Lie To Me,
Bones, Fringe, Good Guys, etc. etc.
 
I just looked at the title of this post and I knew who started. #1 AI hasnt aired a single episode yet and #2 Glee was a new hit for them last year which raised their numbers a bit. Are you off to find another "doom and gloom" story now?
 
gregg75 said:
NOT WORKING TOO GOOD: old tired cop shows on Sat.

Oh really? Than how can you explain the complaints on America Most Wanted's Facebook Page whenever it's pre-empted for NASCAR or MLB? Also AMW is a public service. They tried canceling before and there was outrage.

I remember John Walsh saying something along the lines of "They got letters from the governors of 45 states demanding the show be put back on the air. We can't even get 45 governors to agree on how many stars there are on the American Flag, but this they agree on."
 
gregg75 said:
NOT WORKING TOO GOOD: old tired cop shows on Sat., old cartoons on Sun., House, Lie To Me,
Bones, Fringe, Good Guys, etc. etc.

No offense, but do you bother to look at ratings and performance before you criticize? House, while down, is still the number one or two show for the time period it's on. Cops and AMW also still do well on Saturdays. And Sundays? Yeah while some of the shows might be getting old, they are still the best rated shows on Sundays.
 
TO KTU_FAN: you can always put up your own posts instead of constantly picking at mine. What did I ever do to get you on my back???? If you don't want to read my posts, then don't. You are the very last person I am posting for anyway. Just because you don't want information about TV, doesn't mean others don't. We all don't have to agree, but at least we can be civilized. In case you haven't noticed there are not a lot of HAPPY storys about TV this season.

POINT IS: Fox is not doing so well. You all can nit pick, second guess, criticize, complain, make snotty coments, bitch, all you want, I don't give a @#$#.
 
Mike said:
If FOX takes off AMW

watch and see how fast another network picks it up

Would work well on CBS or even NBC on Saturday night as both network reruns their dramas which are mostly cop shows. It doesn't even seem to belong on FOX anymore.

Sunday is only time to watch FOX because of NFL and for MLB Saturday games and playoffs.

Maybe the ratings can pick up when American Idol starts.
 
But going down from what?

Here's the link to the article

Fox had a big Fall in 2009, when it didn’t, as usual, go into the holiday season trailing in the ratings. Baseball was one of the reasons. This season they seem to be returning to their patter of a relatively weak Fall. Lucky for them, they have the Super Bowl in February.

As you can see from that statement, since last year they climbed higher than expected, when they returned to normal, it was a fall. Of course it was, because they were up higher than normal last year.

It all depends on how you want to skew your numbers

And the bottom line is: "Are they making money" and if so "are they maximizing their revenue." If so, the numbers are meaningless, as FOX and other networks are in the business for their stockholders not the viewers
 
gregg75 said:
TO KTU_FAN: you can always put up your own posts instead of constantly picking at mine. What did I ever do to get you on my back???? If you don't want to read my posts, then don't. You are the very last person I am posting for anyway. Just because you don't want information about TV, doesn't mean others don't. We all don't have to agree, but at least we can be civilized. In case you haven't noticed there are not a lot of HAPPY storys about TV this season.

POINT IS: Fox is not doing so well. You all can nit pick, second guess, criticize, complain, make snotty coments, bitch, all you want, I don't give a @#$#.

I am being civilized, which judging from your last few words you are not. And I'm sure there are some happy stories, you just choose to ignore them. Like even in this post right here, you chose ignored all the networks that are up and went right to the negative. If I didnt know any better, I would think you're trying to get a job on an 11 PM newscast. So if you want to know what you did to get me "on your back" its that. And I dont read your posts to see what you think, I read them to see what other people think. I come here because I do want TV information, and yes you do give information, my problem is you focus on negative information. Also, if I'm the "very last person" you're posting for anyway, why are you even responding to me?
 
Hey, Mark, I am just the messenger, I didn't make this up. Take it up with TV BY THE NUMBERS. I didn't skew anything.

They further state that this year's series games are not pulling in the numbers they did last year. The article implies that their programs are not doing as well either, which I think is also correct.

SORRY KTU, I thought the big story here was Fox down 16%, not Uni up 14%. You've only put up one post since you joined here!!! Let's us judge, nit pick some of your posts/ideas (WHEN YOU DECIDE TO PUT 'EM UP)!!!

As soon Fox ratings are up 20% I will be sure to post a NICE fluffy post about that. I have no interest in being on TV, but it would be NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS if I did. But I do have a degree in Broadcasting. Face the facts, 90% of the news is not SWEET, only 10% is. If you're looking for sweet watch the Disney channels.

I believe my posts have as much merit as some of the other ones on here.
 
gregg75 said:
NOT WORKING TOO GOOD: old tired cop shows on Sat., old cartoons on Sun.

Only true in the mind of Gregg. FOX and it's advertisers would be surprised when you break this news to them. Especially about Sunday, where they are very strong - especially in 18-34.

They probably need to ditch the prime time baseball playoffs. Yeah, I know, lots of people watch. But they aren't the same viewers who tune in to FOX the rest of the time. And, the ill-placed September/October playoffs totally put a halt to fresh episodes of the new PT season. Basically, FOX suspends viewer habits for a month just as viewers start to develop their viewing habits.

Calculate that in with the huge chunk of change that FOX paid MLB for this 'privilege' and it can't look too good for them. The bottom drops out of whatever temporary lift they get from the World Series as soon as it's over.
 
Hey, that's my OPINION and I'm entitled to it, just as you are yours...........and believe me I'm not the only one who feels that way.
 
gregg75 said:
Hey, Mark, I am just the messenger, I didn't make this up. Take it up with TV BY THE NUMBERS. I didn't skew anything.

They further state that this year's series games are not pulling in the numbers they did last year. The article implies that their programs are not doing as well either, which I think is also correct.

SORRY KTU, I thought the big story here was Fox down 16%, not Uni up 14%. You've only put up one post since you joined here!!! Let's us judge, nit pick some of your posts/ideas (WHEN YOU DECIDE TO PUT 'EM UP)!!!

As soon Fox ratings are up 20% I will be sure to post a NICE fluffy post about that. I have no interest in being on TV, but it would be NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS if I did. But I do have a degree in Broadcasting. Face the facts, 90% of the news is not SWEET, only 10% is. If you're looking for sweet watch the Disney channels.

I believe my posts have as much merit as some of the other ones on here.

You didnt skew it, you just spun it. And of course you thought the big story was Fox being down, you thought that for 2 reasons. 1) You're the gloom and doom guy and 2) You already have another post about whats "wrong" with Fox. And I didnt mentioned just Uni, I mentioned all of the networks you listed, so I guess you're just one extreme person if you can understand what I'm saying. And you want about the number of posts I've created? Why dont you make a post that doest didnt come from an idea of something that you read on another website. I dont sign up for message boards to only make posts, I sign up to have discussions. Most of the time, that means I'm not making my own topics, I'm sorry if thats hard for you to understand. It's funny you used "facts" to back up my comparison of you to a newcast, since you really only post and focus on negative things. BTW I never once said your posts didnt have merit, it really seems like you didnt read much of what I said. AND AGAIN if your posts arent for me then why are you speaking to me specifically?
 
BRNout said:
They probably need to ditch the prime time baseball playoffs. Yeah, I know, lots of people watch. But they aren't the same viewers who tune in to FOX the rest of the time. And, the ill-placed September/October playoffs totally put a halt to fresh episodes of the new PT season. Basically, FOX suspends viewer habits for a month just as viewers start to develop their viewing habits.

Actually, Bud Selig has been pushing to get the games to start earlier and finally won (a little) this year. 1 and 2 will start at 7:57 (I know) but 3 will start at 6:57. Hes also trying to keep the World Series OUT of November, yet others in the MLB front office want more playoff teams/round, go figure.
 
KTU_Fan said:
BRNout said:
They probably need to ditch the prime time baseball playoffs. Yeah, I know, lots of people watch. But they aren't the same viewers who tune in to FOX the rest of the time. And, the ill-placed September/October playoffs totally put a halt to fresh episodes of the new PT season. Basically, FOX suspends viewer habits for a month just as viewers start to develop their viewing habits.

Actually, Bud Selig has been pushing to get the games to start earlier and finally won (a little) this year. 1 and 2 will start at 7:57 (I know) but 3 will start at 6:57. Hes also trying to keep the World Series OUT of November, yet others in the MLB front office want more playoff teams/round, go figure.

gregg75 said:
Hey, that's my OPINION and I'm entitled to it, just as you are yours...........and believe me I'm not the only one who feels that way.

Maybe next time you should point out that its (just) your opinion when you're talking about what is and what isnt working.
 
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